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Even though it adds a lot of meaning to his character and I love that scene, I think he's still a brutal murderer.
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I have a hard time feeling sorry for him, but this thread is strangely appropriate for me. I just saw the final cut last night for the first time. I feel asleep 40 minutes in. It was late, though.
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May 23, 2015 05:29
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Justice must come to us all in the end.
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May 23, 2015 05:33
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When the game is done the king and the pawn go back in the same box.
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May 23, 2015 05:53
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Blade Runner is pretty much the dictionary definition of slow burn. I can't imagine Hollywood ever spending big on films like this.
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May 23, 2015 06:00
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they should remake bladerunner so its not covered in 80s crap and wooden acting.
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May 23, 2015 07:12
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Robots aren't people. Kill all robots.
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May 23, 2015 07:15
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I felt sorry for him before the monologue started.
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May 23, 2015 08:29
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Honestly? Yeah. He's a murderer, but all of his actions are motivated by simple survival- desperately trying to find a way to outlive his incredibly brief lifespan, after first doing everything he can within it and still finding that wasn't enough. It's hard to argue that his death wasn't justified, but at the same time, it's also hard not to at least feel a little sorry for him.
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May 23, 2015 08:33
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I feel sorry for the goony hick guy who just wanted to stick the daryl hannah bot
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May 23, 2015 09:35
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Roy Batty was a basic rear end bitch
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May 23, 2015 13:06
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That is a great god drat scene. Blade Runner owns
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May 23, 2015 17:23
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robots arent people so who gives a poo poo
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May 23, 2015 17:26
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83tboDnpE7Y
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May 23, 2015 18:02
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His monologue at the end of Hobo With A Shotgun was better imho.
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May 23, 2015 18:36
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I feel for those creepy rear end toys of Sebastian's.
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May 23, 2015 19:14
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Howling Man posted:I feel for those creepy rear end toys of Sebastian's. Did they just keep wandering around his apartment alone and wondering where was Master until they starved or ran out of juice or something? Oh God 
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May 23, 2015 19:30
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Is he the tortoise/turtle dude?
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May 23, 2015 19:34
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i get so hyped on the visuals that i forget that the people in blade runner are supposed to be people.
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May 23, 2015 20:06
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I felt sorry for him earlier when Indiana Jones killed his girlfriend, opie
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May 24, 2015 00:19
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Plus it's like Admiral Adama would say, at least he got to live a little, much more than he was supposed to
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May 24, 2015 00:22
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Like it's ok to feel sorry for brutal murderers, they are people too. Definitely don't waste no pity on tyrell tho, he was a creepy jerk, deserved to get his skull crushed
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May 24, 2015 00:28
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CharlesM posted:Even though it adds a lot of meaning to his character and I love that scene, I think he's still a brutal murderer. He recognizes the wretchedness of his life/actions and redeems himself. Brutal no longer.
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May 24, 2015 04:14
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I don't know that I would call it feeling 'sorry' for him. I feel sympathy, much as he shows toward Deckard by not brutally murdering him despite being able to.
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May 24, 2015 22:28
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Black Bones posted:Plus it's like Admiral Adama would say, at least he got to live a little, much more than he was supposed to But creating a sapient being and giving it that short of a lifespan is kinda hosed up.
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May 25, 2015 00:21
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LORD OF BUTT posted:But creating a sapient being and giving it that short of a lifespan is kinda hosed up. Speaking of this, do you guys have an opinion on "I want more life, father" vs "I want more life, fucker"? I'm not sure which version of the line I actually prefer.
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May 25, 2015 05:53
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gonna use this thread to say that thinking Deckard is a replicant, thus undercutting how the replicants are better, more creative and more humane than he is throughout the entire movie, is really dumb.
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May 25, 2015 06:09
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Mike N Eich posted:gonna use this thread to say that thinking Deckard is a replicant, thus undercutting how the replicants are better, more creative and more humane than he is throughout the entire movie, is really dumb. B-b-but Ridley Scott said Deckard is a replicant!!!!! Seriously though, I think you could at least make the argument that Deckard's identity status being ambiguous still fits the the themes of the film, but personally I do agree that him being a human gives the film a bolder stance.
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May 25, 2015 06:23
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Mike N Eich posted:gonna use this thread to say that thinking Deckard is a replicant, thus undercutting how the replicants are better, more creative and more humane than he is throughout the entire movie, is really dumb. eh, they know they're not human, and they're acting for their survival. He's down in the muck, he's a jerk, he's scared of Sean Young's robot sexuality. He 100% thinks he's human, and acts like it. To answer your question op: Roy Batty is best when he's childish and playful, the depressed stuff only really worked one time because it's a bit out of nowhere. Wish i had the picture of Roy putting the goggly eyes to his face.
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May 25, 2015 13:30
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May 25, 2015 22:17
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Someone vote yes for me, I'm on mobile
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May 25, 2015 22:35
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May 25, 2015 23:54
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Lemme tell you about my mother.
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May 26, 2015 00:02
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i will PUKE up if "No" wins. f*cking cishuman scum
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May 26, 2015 00:38
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Anyone who voted No please form an orderly queue for your Voight-Kampff test. 
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May 26, 2015 10:55
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Honestly? Yeah. He's a murderer, but all of his actions are motivated by simple survival- desperately trying to find a way to outlive his incredibly brief lifespan, after first doing everything he can within it and still finding that wasn't enough. It's hard to argue that his death wasn't justified, but at the same time, it's also hard not to at least feel a little sorry for him. I don't think he needed to kill Sebastian and I don't think he needed to jam his thumbs into somebody's eyeballs. If he hadn't done those things I'd find his actions more redeeming.
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May 26, 2015 11:09
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CharlesM posted:I don't think he needed to kill Sebastian and I don't think he needed to jam his thumbs into somebody's eyeballs. If he hadn't done those things I'd find his actions more redeeming. If he didn't do anything bad then what would he need redemption for? Its precisely because he's committed violence and murder that Batty's "redemption" works. The audience slowly begins to identify with him as we realize that his actions are driven not by the things that make him a replicant, but by very human qualities that are in all of us. If he were just a nice guy who was poo poo on the whole movie until he dies you'd lose that whole dynamic. For whatever reason this is an issue that I've seen pop up a bunch of times in these forums, and not just in CineD. Some people have a very hard time with the idea that you can feel sympathy for someone who's committed heinous acts without condoning them or supporting them.
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May 26, 2015 19:51
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Basebf555 posted:For whatever reason this is an issue that I've seen pop up a bunch of times in these forums, and not just in CineD. Some people have a very hard time with the idea that you can feel sympathy for someone who's committed heinous acts without condoning them or supporting them. Never discuss Breaking Bad in TVIV.
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May 26, 2015 21:48
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I love when people don't understand why he gave the monologue and saved Deckard. Also I felt bad for him, but he was an rear end in a top hat.
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CharlesM posted:Even though it adds a lot of meaning to his character and I love that scene, I think he's still a brutal murderer. You say that like it's an opinion. He is a brutal murderer. Whether or not you think it's justified or understandable is up for debate. I personally empathized with his character but don't believe it justified brutal murder.
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