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FogHelmut posted:Anyone try decoding this? Am I late on this? FoxTerrier posted:That was a good episode! I put those base64 strings into a decoder but didn't get anything. If there's anything meant to be found in there, it's not just casually obfuscated.
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Oct 19, 2016 08:34
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Since the brain is a neural network with non-linear dynamics, even slight variations in the edge weights or the amount of edges can produce totally unpredictable results in the output and a simplified approximation of the network could never accurately reproduce these non-linear dynamics. That doesn't mean we can't achieve equivalent intelligence (observed externally) through alternative designs. Which is what Ford was getting at with the "bootstrapping from a bicameral mind architecture" explanation.
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Oct 19, 2016 18:31
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Re Guest's Choice in Dolores' plot tree -- I wonder if that means the guest can indefinitely woo Dolores and keep her tied up in an instance until the guest has to leave. Or if the programmer/writer can say "+90% to annoyance after 3 days of relationship" to move things along. King Vidiot posted:AKA Poor Man's Lady Gaga At first, I thought they had really dolled up the woman from the Jurassic World control room.
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Oct 19, 2016 23:48
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Phi230 posted:She is a robo tho. Not that Talulah Riley's character identity is still in question. JossiRossi posted:I want to see a Horse Host chase after a child who slipped into some rapids. It'd probably go full on life raft like Astroboy's origin story.
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Oct 21, 2016 05:30
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Combat Pretzel posted:The bullets, how do they work? Guests get plinked by paintballs (or whatever), while hosts react violently to presumably the same bullets?  SIM. U. NITIONS.
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Oct 21, 2016 17:02
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FoxTerrier posted:YOU: STAB WOUND Guess all the cooks in Westworld get the superspecial programming for handling knives.
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Oct 23, 2016 06:11
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etalian posted:how do the host dicks work? Aeden, does host semen taste the same? Uhhh asking for a friend.
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Oct 23, 2016 07:43
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Funhilde posted:The little statue the Native American gal drops is similar to Hopi Kachina statues. Just an interesting way to blur the lines of reality just about more in a cool way. Good catch. The color schemes lend themselves to the white and red accented suits:  I tried to read up on the cultural significance of Kachinas, and it seems the most important bit parallels what Hector said of the cleansuit doll: "supernatural beings who... act as a link between gods and mortals" So the culture reference seems well chosen. Lycus posted:I like how the laborers at the work site are the hosts made for Odyssey on Red River in their original costumes. Also nice catch. Hope they bring back Sizemore so he can get poo poo on more.
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Oct 26, 2016 08:26
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tadashi posted:Yeah, I wonder if the writers thought of her as a host or just an ambiguous being and let the show watchers fight it out. She calls herself a host, I'd asked before if Delos only used that language for robots, or more generically. Someone made the point that as a park, Westworld doesn't really gain by playing philosophical mind games with guests at the gate -- makes sense to me -- most people are after some guiltless shootin' and rootin' (in the sexual and not rootkit sense).
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Oct 26, 2016 20:10
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Vintersorg posted:I haven't been reading the thread. Well you're smart after all.
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Oct 28, 2016 03:26
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You're talking about a top 3 theory for this thread.
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Oct 29, 2016 06:48
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King Vidiot posted:
Scars are part of the theatrics of the park, so hosts need to understand what their significance is, like Hector's eye scar. E: whoops, got thoroughly ninja edited.
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Oct 29, 2016 17:47
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"I'd need a shovel" I really like how hard MiB went on declaring who was the real soul behind WestWorld. Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:How do you cast that actor? What does the casting call look like? Looking for fit black men 20-35 willing to do full nudity. Not a scene to grow into.
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Nov 1, 2016 01:12
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Phi230 posted:Also anybody notice how OBVIOUS the maze is? I think with eyes in the plane makes the shape match up better: 
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Nov 1, 2016 03:45
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VendaGoat posted:Considering reshoots and editing is a thing within the known universe. Yes. Do mid-season edits happen? FogHelmut posted:Have you seen any birds in the story with William and Logan? I thought not.
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Nov 1, 2016 05:49
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:1. Mauve starts having flashbacks after Abernathy is swapped out for the bartender. It's Mulva. When I first saw MiB take out the scalp, I assumed that the maze was some sort of circuit architecture that communicated/controlled the brain, given that it was sitting on the skull right over the brain.
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Nov 1, 2016 16:24
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VendaGoat posted:Now the second point. I, nor do any of us, without direct first hand knowledge, know what they are and are not capable of. That's kind of a weak defense. You're saying that following each week's episode, HBO's staff can and will load up all remaining episodes (not just the next episode) and make tweaks to consistently touch up the story based on how folks are reacting to the season so far. The editing cycle simply doesn't allow for that. To edit and master a single episode in an 8-hour time period, 7 days in a row -- you're basically saying that is something that HBO can do and that we can't reasonably deny the possibility.
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Nov 1, 2016 18:51
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Dazerbeams posted:She's supposed to be the damsel in distress. An object to be protected, not the player's guardian. Yeah, it really emphasizes his naivete and emotional response to WestWorld, in contrast to Logan's jaded MMO mindset.
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Nov 1, 2016 23:03
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Rahul posted:Dolores isn't supposed to be able to use weapons, which was shown when Teddy tried to teach her to shoot, and she was unable to pull the trigger.
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Nov 1, 2016 23:22
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Vitamin P posted:William hasn't "bought into" anything, he just understands that the hosts pain, fear and trauma is real even if the hosts can be repaired and reset. ... that's buying into something? In the same way that you (Logan and most guests) can decide that robots who are sentient can't have human emotion.
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Nov 2, 2016 00:08
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Rhyno posted:Can we stop saying timeline and use the proper timeframe? Michael Crichton's Timeframe
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Nov 2, 2016 04:31
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Zaphod42 posted:We all saw this coming: It's... it's like... WE'RE ON TWO TIMELINES https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3725567&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=116#post465957871 What was it like when you turned blackhat, forgotten image?
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Nov 2, 2016 15:40
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Phi230 posted:The Redhead in the "VR tank" is an explicit reference to The Matrix The Lady in Red was blonde tho. Unless you're talking about Link's being jaded about reading Matrix code off the screen.
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Nov 2, 2016 17:08
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Hey, we can't find that can prop from 2 years ago. Ok, just make a new one. I mean, make one slightly differently for twin timeframes theory: 
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Nov 2, 2016 18:58
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Fooz posted:The opening scene is Dolores waking up in the middle of the night, taking a few steps outside with wide eyes as voiceover says "do you remember...." as it fades out and in to will's reflection on the tram. A safe choice doesn't make for good cinema. What they did is more dramatic. I don't think that choice has any bearing on timeframe theories or otherwise.
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Nov 3, 2016 03:22
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SwissCM posted:Does a consciousness have to be human-like in order for it's wants and feelings to be valid? They are just as much a product of their environment as humans are. In the context of the show, yes, the AIs can change in reaction to their environment. But in general, you could imagine an AI programmed/tuned to boot up and immediately have a dark past over which they're brooding and despondent. There's no reality backing up how it behaves and feels, it's solely from its programming. The choice to call something conscious is pretty much philosophical, which the show illustrates all the time.
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:Does anyone have a translation for the ?Chinese when Theresa was talking to the board. It was something like: "Ms. Hale's already arrived. We believe you understand [that they've happened] and that the timeline won't experience even more delays." I really can't make out what's being said in the brackets. It could be "their arrival" or "her arrival." No explicit or thinly veiled references about the espionage stuff. Dr. Tim Whatley posted:Do you even know what nonlinear editing is? Buffoon. This is something worth being pedantic over. Isn't non-linear editing just the term for using digital media or other methods to construct an edit of a movie, as opposed to cutting actual camera film?
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Nov 8, 2016 08:06
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Other commentary: - it was so weird to see Ford fondly patting his own child-self-robot's head - I guess I was really expecting these 1st gen hosts to be really obvious like Wild Bill. But Child Ford has a seamless surface appearance over that metal skeleton. So it isn't the silver bullet on park age that I was expecting it to be - when MiB and Teddy run into the wagoneers going the other way, after Teddy explains the maze myth, there's a couple shots that stood out to me as shoot at a different time. It's when Teddy says "You do what suits you. I'm going all the same. And I'm gonna find Dolores." In these shots, the sun is lower, and the sky is less overcast. Feel like it's just a minor clarification reshoot, and not a careful stitch-in of Dolores into whatever timeline this Teddy is on. Most of the scene is like this:  Overcast, clean face. The added shots (or shot another time) are like this:  Lower but distinct sun, more dirt makeup (watched a few times to convince myself that it wasn't just shadow), longer beard growth. In motion, Marsden looks more gaunt in the face in the added shots, but that I think could just be shadows. Oh wait, no, it's all just two timelines.
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Speaking of showing Maeve her own mind at work, I found the speech tree a really nice visualization for casuals, but not very true to how to model generative speech. We don't construct sentences by picking one word at a time, thinking of what comes next. The units are more abstract and higher level than that. Like when she says "I'm not someone to gently caress with," there is a 0% chance for any word other than 'with' to follow 'gently caress.' The other grayed out words were never real choices. The process planning Maeve's speech would have picked a verb concept like "challenge" or "oppose" and arrived at "gently caress with" after considering the grammar of the sentence as a whole. But of course, that would make for a dense and not cool visual.
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Skizzzer posted:Is that modeled after human speech? Like, if I hear something I disagree with, I know I disagree first, then I find the words to express my disagreement. I don't have any deep academic background in linguistics, but I love the topic. Human languages came about from the need to communicate thoughts and deliver them through a sequence of sounds. A grammar can have a ton of complexity, but it at least needs to prescribe how to linearize a bunch of simultaneous things you want to communicate. Let's say you see MiB shoot Teddy. There's 2 objects: MiB, Teddy. There's one verb or action: shoot. The grammar of your language is floating somewhere in your brain, and basically directs how those pieces come out into a sentence. English has Subject-Verb-Object word order, so MiB, the object doing the action, comes first. The action is shooting and is directed at Teddy, who is the object. So the Verb Phrase, which includes the Object is "shoots Teddy." "MiB shoots Teddy." If you wanted to say that the MiB did the shooting with a gun, there are other rules that preferentially generate "MiB shoots Teddy with a gun" over "MiB shoots with a gun Teddy" which is grammatically correct and understandable but stands out as unnatural or unfluent. Some languages' grammars have the verb come first, or have the verb always come second. The way a brain encodes this ability to translate thought into language isn't understood at a fine level, but it's something that is actively researched in neuroscience. There's plenty of brain injury patients with incredibly unusual speech pathologies. My ex lost the ability to speak in the past tense for a few weeks after a car accident! Anyways, if we wanted a computer to be able to generate convincing language, we would need to give it its own understanding of English grammar (in the linguistic sense, not necessarily the grade school sense). Scientists might program huge sets of rules into a program, or they might train a computer to learn from millions of samples of people speaking to each other (spoken language has its own properties distinct from written language, and you'd probably want Westworld robots to be better speakers than writers at the outset). In machine learning, you're letting a computer develop its own model for things, and that model and representation may or may not be easily understood or reverse-engineered by us. In Maeve's case, her programming would have decided some unspoken representation for what she was thinking, and then translated it into speech. Because of her personality and "background", she would want to emphasize her point with the 'gently caress with' figure of speech, so the program would have to have access to and understanding of a lot of stock idioms and look up ones appropriate to what she wanted to say.
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Arglebargle III posted:Teddy Marsden looks more gaunt in the face because the makeup department is doing that on purpose because he just spend a day on a tree in the desert and had all his blood drained and put back in. Those were two chronological shots in a 2 minute scene. He shouldn't look different through the scene.
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Junkfist posted:https://twitter.com/WestworldHBO/status/796818983508840448 Well, yeah, the production team decided to go with 2 different spellings, similar to the logos. Legos.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:23
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Arglebargle III posted:Kinda neat that people are doing anagrams with Delos but nobody has noted that it's named after a major ancient greek holy place where the gods Apollo and Artemis were born. Partly (at least for me) cuz it was in the original movie, so can't give the new production the same amount of credit for applying mythology to the storyline.
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I wonder why the feet are slack like that. The Vitruvian man is well planted on his feet in the circle. Sagebrush posted:I noticed that there hasn't been a single Chinese (or otherwise Asian) host yet. Maeve sees two Asian women hosts slumped in one of the tanks on her tour.
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Eiba posted:Yeah, for a while now, I've been imagining Maeve's story won't end the way we expect. A straight up robot rebellion seems too straightforward for this show, so I've been figuring her plot-line will, in some way, subvert that notion eventually. Perhaps by showing how it's impossible, even given how far Maeve has come. Showing her the sausage being made was brilliant, but I'd like to see one of the hosts encounter another instance of themselves in a similar conscious-tearing encounter. It might be one that the humans have more control over.
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Sagebrush posted:I figure the robots all have the same type of positronic brain or whatever, and the personality is somehow linked to the hardware in a way that makes it hard or impossible to separate them. They reloaded that older personality and set of memories into Dolores' dad fairly easily. Sure maybe the personality only works on that brain hardware, but I don't see good evidence that you couldn't arbitrarily swap the hosts' minds.
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I've been thinking more about the personality sliders. Some of them might be easy to define linearly from absolute min to absolute max. But intelligence or the ability to understand things isn't easy to quantify linearly, especially when we humans have a limit to our own intelligence. You could possibly construct an AI so intelligent that it would on its own grasp all known physics and then develop a grand unified theory. It could do that in seconds of coming online, perhaps. That's the whole singularity/Lucy angle on computer intelligence. But, is that where the state of AI is in Westworld? What does 20 actually mean? Is 20 an order of magnitude greater than 19? Or does it merely represent what would appear extremely smart and fast learning for a human? There's some danger with shipping hardware that's crippled from its full capability by just software. Like when Chromecasts came out and people rooted them to cast whatever they felt like. It's seems like a bad, but not unexpected for a corporation, to build all these hosts to have the potential to be insanely smart and then limit them with a setting. Forget sabotage or fooling around, a host knocks it head against a rock and it could turn into Virtuosity.
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TommyGun85 posted:So obviously these robots don't age, which begs the queation.....Bernard has been around a long time and nobody who works there has noticed that he doesn't age? If it's only been 5 years or so, I bet it wouldn't be that noticeable. Just a bunch of people remarking "hunh, black don't crack." Ford could also be doing cosmetic updates to his hosts.
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tooterfish posted:Bernard said the machine was slower than the main ones, that it'd take a few days to finish a host. But we don't know how reliable his info is, nor how much remaining work there is. The camera doesn't really dwell on the print at the end of the scene, but I think it's a woman? In any case, would have ruined the dramatic tension to have the host be recognizable as we entered the basement. Spermanent Record posted:The reveal itself was secondary to way they played out every single aspect of that scene. ... What a masterpiece of signalling and inevitability. I felt the same about Maeve's facility tour.
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