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The Martian is a huge, Ridley Scott directed science fiction moving coming up based on a best-selling novel of the same name, to be released October 2nd. It's got our own dogcrash truther in a title role! It's actually Matt Damon, but everytime I see the actor I think of DCT -- especially in Interstellar, where his performance just reminded me incredibly strongly of our own beloved mod. Not that DCT would (spoilers) go psycho and kill anyone on a space mission. Probably just the opposite. But you know, you never know what might happen out there. And that's the whole thesis of the movie! Here's the meet the crew video, done in a style immediately reminiscent of Commander Hadfield's videos from the ISS in recent years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CumZP6_9sHU The official trailer for the movie (mild spoilers, but you can't really think he never makes contact with Earth comeon): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue4PCI0NamI The novel was the genesis of author Andy Weir's study the sustainability of a Mars mission, which led to a blog-based, chapter-by-chapter story of an astronaut stranded on Mars. There's some astoundingly innovative solutions in the book, and it's all grounded very strongly in realistic conditions -- though the lost astronaut gets extremely lucky at some parts.  There's been a lot of parallels drawn to the 1964 classic 'Robinson Crusoe on Mars', a pulp sci fi movie about a stranded astronaut making due with the caustic martian surface, but it's obviously leaning toward the 'hard science fiction' genre overall.  The book is available on Amazon, with the kindle version being a very reasonable $5.99. I really recommend it. I don't think reading the book will diminish your appreciation for the movie or anything. The cover looks like something they probably approached GSJG for, who backed out when it turned out the subject wasn't his wife:  Anyway, feel free to discuss the technical challenges of living on Mars, the 'Ares' transit system proposed in the novel, or whatever. Maybe just ask questions about the other parts of the solar system? Maybe you think Mars is boring? It's pretty monotone, that's for sure. But there's still some topics of interest there. Anyway, BYOB, let me know if you're excited for this movie, you wish this movie never existed, whatever. |
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if i'm gonna read a book about a man who lived on mars it's gonna be the one with a lot of loving in it
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Jun 28, 2015 06:14
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it was a super good book but the protagonist needs to stop freaking the gently caress out over everything, calm down man
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Jun 28, 2015 06:15
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if they asked me to go to mars i would say no, just my hot take 
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Jun 28, 2015 06:16
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Hustler presents This IS Stranger in a Strange Land XXX
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education station posted:if they asked me to go to mars i would say no, just my hot take Why's that? Like seriously, they come to your door tomorrow and they're like, 'We want to train you for four years to go to Mars. Please, education station.', you'd turn it down? |
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Jun 28, 2015 06:17
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joke_explainer posted:Why's that? Like seriously, they come to your door tomorrow and they're like, 'We want to train you for four years to go to Mars. Please, education station.', you'd turn it down? the lag playing from mars would be unreal ---------------- |
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Jun 28, 2015 06:18
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The Fungineers 52 24/24 Angels of Death 23 21/32 Matt's Mars House | no awps 9999 1/24 UCG Gaming | 200 ping=KICK 142 22/24 24/7 DE_DUST 276 32/32 ---------------- |
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Jun 28, 2015 06:23
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Pomp posted:The Fungineers 52 24/24 Funny. Fun fact, the maximum delay is about 24 minutes and the minimum delay is about 4 minutes. The fact of light travel slowing communication is something that is addressed in the novel! |
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Jun 28, 2015 06:26
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the fact they depict space as a hospitable place where one can survive with a lot of luck and knowledge is incredibly depressing. it's like no one wants to die in space through one of millions of possibilities, like licking bacteria on an asteroid only known by a number designation and having its spores turn your body into a shambling abomination
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Jun 28, 2015 06:30
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joke_explainer posted:Why's that? Like seriously, they come to your door tomorrow and they're like, 'We want to train you for four years to go to Mars. Please, education station.', you'd turn it down? isolation mostly. i know that i would be part of a colony and everything in theory, but i think i need to be in a large community where i meet new people everyday to be comfortable. |
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Jun 28, 2015 06:40
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i'm somewhat sincere in this, i would love to join mars one. that would be the ultimate dream. it's a one-way trip, but that's fine, and my main curiosity in the mission is that you're spending the rest of your likely soon to be short life in an extremely small area relative to earthlings, with only what you took with you for stimuli. i'm sure they all get extensive sensory deprivation training, but how can you prepare someone to live in a place with so exceedingly small amount of places to go for such a huge amount of time? would they even land in a spot where they can witness valles marineris in person?
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Jun 28, 2015 06:45
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Mars One definitely isn't happening though, don't worry about that. We have rules against murdering people, and Mars One definitely fits that definition. I'm definitely not nihilistic enough to go to Mars if there's no way back: There's no good restaurants on Mars, plus it mostly is exactly the same and sucks a lot there. I'd visit though. |
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Jun 28, 2015 06:47
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education station posted:isolation mostly. i know that i would be part of a colony and everything in theory, but i think i need to be in a large community where i meet new people everyday to be comfortable. 150 days there, 30 days on the surface, 150 days back... How big a crew would you need to feel comfortable enough to do something like that? |
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Jun 28, 2015 06:48
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joke_explainer posted:150 days there, 30 days on the surface, 150 days back... How big a crew would you need to feel comfortable enough to do something like that? i think 150-200 people would establish a good community, but the fact that all those people would have to be trained and qualified would be a huge setback (i think), not to mention all the food required and the ship size. |
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In the 'meet the crew video', the commander mentions inspiration for what she's doing. The character mentions three real life astronauts that are worth mentioning for sure: Christa McAuliffe, Laurel Clark, and Eileen Collins. Christa McAuliffe:  NASA thought it might spur more public interest into spaceflight if they could put a teacher in orbit. They also thought it could demonstrate how dependable and safe spaceflight was. Selected from over a ten thousand different applicants, McAuliffe was basically a model astronaut, and did great in training and was an inspiration to many, and the tasks for her in orbit included a range of experiments and practical demonstration and classes for children onthe ground. Unfortunately, the 25th shuttle flight exploded just over a minute after launch, resulting in the loss of all crewmembers on Jan 28th, 1986. The loss of the Challenger and the subsequent investigation struck to the core of the old culture embodying the place at the time, and led to a much safer system but it's a tragedy that everyone knows could have been avoided. There was too much 'hope for the best and make sure you've covered your own rear end' sort of mentality. Richard Feynmann famously investigated it and calculated that any given shuttle had a 1/125 chance of exploding. Laurel Clark:  Laurel Clark was a doctor and U.S. Navy officer who entered the shuttle program 1996. STS-107 was her first flight up, and she'd help with dozens of experiments including some of the groundwork the novel and the movie (and future expeditions!) will probably build off of: basics of gardening in space. STS-107 disintegrated on re-entry Feb 1st 2003 as I'm sure many of you remember vividly, all crewmembers were lost. The loss of the Columbia is still contentious to this day. A piece of foam insulation had struck the wing on ascent. It was noticed, but it was thought the damage was probably no more than usual (being struck by the insulation was something that happened plenty of times before). The engineers who thought it might be worse also thought it was probably pointless to investigate it: If it was critically damaged, there was nothing the crew could have done. Not everyone agrees with that, but they weren't told, and it disintegrated on re-entry from damage to that wing's heat shield causing re-entry heat to destroy the vessel. Eileen Collins:  Collins was the first female commander of the Space Shuttle, logged over a 38 days of time in space. She joined the astronaut program in 1990. She retired from the program in 2006, but she was the first astronaut to perform the 360 degree rendezvous pitch maneuver on the rendezvous with the ISS, a complete flip of the shuttle in close proximity of the ISS designed to inspect the heat shield for damage in the wake of the Columbia disaster. Hardly her only accomplishment though! She's an exceptional person by any standard of measure. Pictured: The atlantis during the pitch maneuver. 
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education station posted:i think 150-200 people would establish a good community, but the fact that all those people would have to be trained and qualified would be a huge setback (i think), not to mention all the food required and the ship size. Do you think a mission could succeed with fewer? I mean, they'd still have a support network back on Earth. We have ISS crews that stay for some amount of time not too far off from the time needed for a Mars mission and any Mars transit vehicle would need to be at least the size of the ISS. The current crew of the ISS is only like 7 people. |
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Jun 28, 2015 07:14
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Jun 28, 2015 07:21
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I read the thread title and thought it said "The Martial Art Thread" and got real excited. 
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Jun 28, 2015 07:21
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this looks nice and realistic. three hours of that one scene from Total Recall would've gotten a little tiring, so it's nice there'll be some subsistence farming for contrast. joke_explainer, for inhabiting space do you think terraforming other planets or celestial bodies is more viable than O'Neill cylinders and Dyson spheres in Lagrange points? 2001: A Space Odyssey featured the latter, if I'm not mistaken. does that reflect a change in thought about the idea? ~sig~ |
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ive been to mars there is a disturbing lack of chairs
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Jun 28, 2015 07:30
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Samantha Cristoforetti eating a space taco (chicken turmeric and red rice): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4exaXdPKS3Y Sergei Krikalev (803 days in space! Current record holder!) tosses Marsha Ivins during STS-98's docking with the ISS. 
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Jun 28, 2015 07:34
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Heartbroken 2Twice posted:this looks nice and realistic. three hours of that one scene from Total Recall would've gotten a little tiring, so it's nice there'll be some subsistence farming for contrast. We've made a lot more progress on various self-contained life support systems in the last twenty and even ten years. Terraforming a target is not even on the table really, I mean, maybe as a long term project? But the scale of any planet is enormous. Any change, even exponentially growing bacteria, will take a long time to start to change things. Centuries and centuries even in optimal ways of doing it. It's really a matter of habitats on the ground or habitats in space. Overall, putting a habitat on Mars gives you a number of things to work with you don't get in space: You get a weak atmosphere of mostly carbon dioxide, which can be processed for oxygen, which is useful for people. You get the soil, which has some amount of water in it, we've recently discovered. Those two bits allow for the support of some life, with the machinery necessary to extract them. Now, a properly designed self contained system should be able to sustain life in a orbital habitat (like an O'Neill cylinder or what-have-you -- though that design is far grander than the spinning habitat in 2001). And any life support on mars should be designed with that in mind too, waste not, want not. But it's not to have a little leeway. Plus the ability to make fuel from water and the atmosphere is pretty impressive -- shipping fuel to the planet is largely cost inhibitive so the ability to make it there is great. You can't make anything in just a space habitat with no natural resources at all. On the downside, you're down a gravity well. That means extreme delta-V costs to leave, then you still have to pay a delta-V cost to get to where you're going. Additionally you have to deal with landing on the target, which is always a nuisance, just check SpaceX tomorrow for their next attempted drone platform landing of their Dragon capsule delivery rocket (launching at 7:00 AM PDT in just 7 hours and 15 minutes! Might be the first time they pull off the automated drone landing on a drone spaceport platform in the ocean. Watch here: http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ ). But I think putting a base on some kind of satellite or planetary body generally wins out as far as logistics go. Other than LEO habitats like the ISS. Those are really cheap comparatively, but obviously nowhere near any kind of closed ecosystem (as the resupply mission tomorrow shows...) It'll be many years still before we have anything like that in any practical form. The concept of a Dyson sphere doesn't really work either, they aren't stable. More practical is a Dyson swarm, but even that is an unimaginable amount of material. That's like for humanity a million years from now or so if they're still around, not something people are thinking about in context of 'plans'. |
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Jun 28, 2015 08:12
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Jun 28, 2015 09:01
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Mapparu posted:do you think space tourism will ever become a reality for the middle class in the next 50-100 years? the middle class won't exist ---------------- |
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joke_explainer posted:incredible words about space habitation aside from the massive cost of these operations, I find it hard to believe an organisation on Earth could sustain one goal through the multiple generations it would take to accomplish such a thing. maybe the ISS can give us some hope 
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Jun 28, 2015 09:13
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can love bloom on the battlefield of space?
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The Martian is proof that people with crippling aspergers can still be successful as writers. That is to say... I enjoyed the book immensely. E. The book is free on the internet if you just google for martian pdf or something. The only reason author charged money for it in the first place was cos ppl wanted it on their kindles and he couldn't publish it for $0 DeepQantas fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Jun 28, 2015 10:07
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What I have is 15 square meters of surface area and I need to grow four years worth of weed |
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Jun 28, 2015 10:13
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Jun 28, 2015 10:15
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i went to heureka when they had the mars exhibit, and one of the best parts was the "isolation cell" where you stood in a very small tube with a narration describing days and days of being stuck with the same few people, trying to avoid fights or boredom
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also the englsih wikipedia page for heureka is good bc it uses an exclamation point in a non quote "That's how the Finnish Science Centre Heureka got its apt name!"
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Jun 28, 2015 10:28
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Jun 28, 2015 10:35
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Q. How do you deorbit an international space station? A. Float up to it and knock on the window |
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Jun 28, 2015 10:43
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Ace of Baes posted:can love bloom on the battlefield of space? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPyoAatc93E |
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Mapparu posted:do you think space tourism will ever become a reality for the middle class in the next 50-100 years? almost certainly. i think you will have to save for a long time, but I think it'll likely be attainable. After the first decade of Virgin Galactic (or whatever it is that is the actual first to market with it, seems like despite their setbacks it will probably be them) the price will drop substantially. Essentially the initial pricing is the 'We're the only one on the market, let's recover our research and development costs' and later it'll be probably 10 grand or something. Salmiakki posted:i went to heureka when they had the mars exhibit, and one of the best parts was the "isolation cell" where you stood in a very small tube with a narration describing days and days of being stuck with the same few people, trying to avoid fights or boredom Yeah, the most insane plans for Mars involve something like putting the astronauts in a capsule just a little bit bigger than the Apollo command module for the entire trip. Which is insane. I don't think they would be the first living humans to make it to Mars, but they might end up being the first murders and/or suicide in space. I mean astronauts are carefully selected to avoid conflict but nobody sits in a closet with two other people or more for months and doesn't go a little crazy. The 'Mars Semi-Direct' system this book/movie is based on is a far more reasonable plan. I imagine they'd also make sure entertainment is absolutely stocked. Maybe Netflix could get some free publicity by including a full copy of their library onboard, shouldn't really be that big space-wise compared to the needed size of the vessel. How big do you guys think the transit ship would need to be, minimum, to keep 7 people from going crazy on the trip over? DeepQantas posted:The Martian is proof that people with crippling aspergers can still be successful as writers. That is to say... I enjoyed the book immensely. This is true. He originally had it free, his fans really wanted it on kindle, so he put it up for the minimum price of 99 cents and sold 32,000 copies in a couple weeks. He then got a distribution deal. And now a movie deal. It's worth the $5.99 tho. |
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joke_explainer posted:How big do you guys think the transit ship would need to be, minimum, to keep 7 people from going crazy on the trip over? What about retrofitting parts from space stations? They deal with sort of the same living space vs mass problem, since it costs money get stuff to orbit... but they don't have to worry about mass making the whole trip to Mars |
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Greenhouse bubbles on the inside of the ring (little less chance of going pop due to micrometeor). Since they're dedicated to plants crew won't spend much time in any given one, but they'd be oft visited green spaces. If one does go pop, plants still edible if they were grown. Do plants care about space radiation? Can we have a less shielding material if we limit crew visits? |
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