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Ramc
May 4, 2008


I threw two more disease demons at it, and it survived some mind hunting, but more is incoming this round. Did you know a dome of arcane warding can block your own spells if you target enemies on a besieged, dome'd province? Remember that one because with a meaner dome that would be nasty.



83 hps and it can't heal. It moved to attack another fort and killed almost all of its own army now with Rain of Stones. Also...



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jBrereton
May 29, 2013


Grimey Drawer

He's got the heart of a champion.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company


WELCOME TO FUCKIN' DOMINIONS! HOPE YOU LIKE MIASMA!

Ramc
May 4, 2008


Nothing can reasonably stop me at this point. C'tis and Pelagia have now gone AI so it is just me and the remains of Sceleria while I mop up the last 2 thrones I need to win for real.

jBrereton
May 29, 2013


Grimey Drawer

Just fyi even a diseased thing can heal back to its base HP at least by using regen in battles. It's a bit easier said than done, but it's possible!

Sloppy Milkshake
Nov 9, 2004

I MAKE YOU HUMBLE



eh, the dog has n2 for personal regen and a3 for mistform, so it's pretty easy (assuming that it doesn't get mobbed by a million things)

Ramc
May 4, 2008


He is personally puissant but poses absolutely no strategic threat to me at this point. He'll eventually die to a mindhunt or something or I will get the other thrones.

jBrereton
May 29, 2013


Grimey Drawer

Sloppy Milkshake posted:

eh, the dog has n2 for personal regen and a3 for mistform, so it's pretty easy (assuming that it doesn't get mobbed by a million things)
It's more making sure the battle goes on long enough :v:

Sloppy Milkshake
Nov 9, 2004

I MAKE YOU HUMBLE



yeah i guess if it's just doing rock drops battle probably end pretty quickly

Ramc
May 4, 2008


Sloppy Milkshake posted:

yeah i guess if it's just doing rock drops battle probably end pretty quickly

I wouldn't sweat it.

Ramc
May 4, 2008


On turn 101 it is finally over.



Ladies and Gentlemen, meet the new Pantokrator of HappyNewbie:



A Volla of the Bountiful Forest, Wet n Wild gave my WC a powerful W9 bless, and also had N5 for +hp and to summon Mother Oak without a booster. When I was down to just my cap circle all those N gems basically kept me alive in the form of swarm dryads and summoned siege chaff. She also gem-genned W and N gems which ultimately let me lay down a 200-gem-overcast-plus-being-W11-with-boosters Vengeful Waters.

The Map:

I was super big by the end. I would have won sooner but except for 2, the thrones were geographically far from my dom push.



You can see my early struggle, and about the exact moment when C'tis tried to jump me, failed, and Ulm backstabbed him same turn.


For a long time I only had one fort. Then I got better.


At about the time C'tis began to go down, they put up Burden of Time and Foul Air which tanked pretty much everyone but me's economy. I had a E4 Pan doing earth gem alchemy every turn, but even then my growth scales and constant expansion and patrolling kept me rolling in bucks.


I put up MOAK early and site searched pretty diligently with stolen marshmasters and Iron Order Adepts. Pelagia had Maelstrom up for a little bit before it got overwritten by C'tis' Well of Misery or something. [Edit: It was my Vengeful Waters that overwrote Maelstrom.]


My research was stunted, but it was also blood by the time of my re-expansion, so what I did have was mega nasty.


The reason I won. My temples are 200 each. Everyone else's? 400. The economy is tanked for everyone else. I had stealthy WC squads demolishing unforted temples both above and under water. Pelagia had Vengeful Waters up for a bit, then it got dispelled by someone. That was my excuse for templing every prov I had then open-palm slamming my mega Vengeful. Pelagia told me they tried to overcast it with 110 water gems and failed. Excellent.


Quality over quantity.

Also a special shout-out to my prophet, who survived from turn one and is the only survivor on the hall of fame. I empowered him in Nature so he'd have a longer lifespan to dunk BoT aging.


I'll probably see if there are any good IRC bits for a look-back, but here we are for now.


Ramc fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Apr 1, 2016

Ramc
May 4, 2008


quote:

<Treebot> New turn in dominions_four (71). Defeated: EA Hinnom, LA Pythium, LA Jomon, LA Bogarus
<Treebot> Potential stales, estimating from 30s before hosting. Not submitted: EA Hinnom, LA Pythium
<homero> _.-------------------------------._
<homero> | RIP |
<homero> | HINNOM, PYTHIUM, JOMON, BOGARUS |
<homero> |___________________________________|
<homero> |_____________________________________|
<Diabl0658> rip
...
<RockyB> Wait what
<RockyB> How the gently caress
<RockyB> Quadruple throne claim
<RockyB> drat son

Sorry I have been busy winning.

Teledahn
May 14, 2009

What is that bear doing there?




Ramc posted:

I went to the Billy Bishop school of Dom4.

Gods-damned right you did.

Ramc
May 4, 2008


DOMINONS_FOUR PART ONE: THE INQUISITION. WHAT A SHOW!

The gimmick of Dominions_Four was twofold. The first is that it was a Ďbadnationsí game, and thus used a mod that made selection from the not-so-great nations of the various eras. The second was that you could not buy up Domscore on your pretender god. I actually really liked that as it effectively removed the Domtax on making a PG. Of course no sacred spamming early, but that was never the plan for me anyway.

I went for Marignon with some good scales and this guy as my PG:



Hearkening back to tales of the Knights Templar worshipping a demonic head, the Baphomet is pretty much exactly that. Heís even cheaper for Marignon I am pretty sure. He has a natural domscore of 4, which is the highest possible without buying it up. F6 and S6 are to be able to cast some globals. B3 was just a place to put extra points, but eventually it ends up being a little important.

The other benefits of a Baphomet were summarized here in Roland Jonesí draft LP: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3762346#post455659071

In the first few turns my expansion was terrible. I bobbled one expand and had to skip a turn, but that turn gave my army critical mass and it just kept rolling with crossbows mowing down everything. Eventually I had 4 expansion armies rolling. The map was big so there was plenty of room for me. Also, two of my neighbors (Jomon and Ermor respectively) lacked self-confidence:

quote:

[17:13] <Baudin> feel free to murder me
[17:13] <Baudin> im dying in that game anyway
[17:13] <Baudin> :suicide:
01[17:13] <Ramc> Already?
01[17:13] <Ramc> It is like turn 9
[17:13] <Baudin> i lost my poo poo pretender turn 2
06[17:13] * Ramc has like 4 expansion armies
[17:14] <Baudin> and have slid down the poo poo heap since
[17:14] <Baudin> expansion has gone.... poorly
...
[17:20] <Baudin> your the new guy right
01[17:21] <Ramc> I am.
[17:22] <Baudin> you should actually invade me
01[17:26] <Ramc> This early, huh?
[17:27] <Baudin> im super weak
01[17:28] <Ramc> Just Jomon is as a rule, or just because of circumstances?
[17:28] <Baudin> circumstance
[17:28] <Baudin> s

quote:

21:59] <jsoh> IM PRETTY SURE IF WE BUMPED YOU WOULD KILL EVERYTHING I HAVE AT ONCE
01[22:01] <Ramc> no awe awake expander?
01[22:01] <Ramc> yeah probs
[22:01] <jsoh> IF I SOMEHOW HAD A ARMY IN THAT PLACE EXPANDING TOO
[22:01] <jsoh> THEY WOULD PROBABLY ALL DIE TO YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE ACTUAL TROOPS WHEREAS I HAVE EA ROMANS
01[22:02] <Ramc> Prooobably
...
[13:50] <jsoh> I HAEV NOT CLEARED HALF MY CAP CIRCLE BECAUSE THE INDIES ARE REALLY STRONG AND IM STUPID

I donít take either of them up on their requests for the sweet release of death because I still had plenty of indies to kill and that less trouble than trying to dunk a player. I didnít get into any wars and expanded very well.

I made it spring of year three and put up Eyes of God (and also Eternal Pyre, but thatís just gemgen for fire.). Here is the state of the world at midgame:


This is me. That throne in my cap circle is the Throne of Splendor. A level 3 throne with good domspread that gives all blessed units Awe. Zeus is parked on it, and I learn in a few turns that he happily spams rain of stones. RIP that army and my prophet. The throne to my east is the Throne of Fortune which gives +luck and some pearls I think, and I do end up taking that just fine and fort it. I am in the lead for provinces at this point, though a lot of what I have is trash.

I am attacking Ríleyh up north for a reason I will cover later.


Gath went AI super early after itís n9 solar disc (???) died expanding. It is getting eaten by Hinnom and Ermor.


Jomon basically chills out almost all game. This is Baudin. He has a Celestial General as his PG. I see it in action once. I vaguely remember it has air and astral, but maybe Baudin can clarify.


Blue and red flag Bogarus is Afrosquirrel who ends up being dog piled down to his cap circle by his enemies before breaking out finally late game. I donít know what his pretender god is.


I never see Ríleyhís PG either. Kitfox88 had gone AI very recently at this point, which is why I am taking that fort from him. Ríleyh AI does better than Kitfox and actually remains a headache for a lot of people for the entire game.


Ermorís god is a Cyclops with earth magic who got a limp helping out with expansion and the nation is played by jsoh. The game and its gimmick was created by him. He is eating Gath. EA Ermor isnít MA Ermor and thus isnít domkill roman skeleton nightmare world.


Pythium has some blood thing going on, and Oceania doesnít really do much besides attack Bogarus, take turns very slowly and eventually go AI.


Hinnom also has some blood stuff going on, and ends up having piles of demon knights. I keep thinking they are bigger than they are because their flag and Gathís flag are so same-y.

But yes. Time to check the REAL measure of how successful you are in Dom4Ö

Ah poo poo.

How do I go from here to victory? Find out next time.

Ramc fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Apr 8, 2016

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


I think it is dishonest of ramc to log in and post screenshots of the advanced fully deterministic AI that is taking the turns and actually winning the games.

Ramc
May 4, 2008


DOMINIONS_FOUR PART TWO: NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION

I ended up getting Construction 6 pretty soon after, and with my considerable fire gem income made approximately a million lightless lanterns that kicked my research into high gear. Things stayed fairly static for awhile. Ermor (jsoh) ate Gath and self owned himself repeatedly:

quote:

[00:47] <jsoh> OH MY loving GOD
[00:47] <jsoh> THE loving GUY DIDNT USE GEMS
[00:47] <AcousticKitty> atomikkrab: this happens http://i.imgur.com/8vzJyrc.png
[00:47] <jsoh> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU PIECE OF poo poo FUCKKKK
[00:48] <Roland_Jones> jsoh: I've found that my current biggest problem is lategame because my lategame experience has been minimal, yeah.
[00:48] <jsoh> http://puu.sh/n2rHi/f33874fe8a.jpg
[00:48] <jsoh> DOMINIONS FOUR IS SO loving BAD
[00:48] <jsoh> WHAT A loving BAD GAME HOLY poo poo
[00:50] <buer_the_goatse_sun> it took you this long tor ealize that?
[00:54] <jsoh> WITH STUPID BULLSHIT LIKE THAT I REALLY DONT EVEN WANT TO PLAY THE GAME ANYMORE
[00:54] <jsoh> HONESTLY
[00:55] <jsoh> WHY IS THERE NOT AN "ABSOLUTELY loving USE GEMS YOU DUMB SHITHEAD" ORDER
[00:58] <buer_the_goatse_sun> because it's dominions 4
[00:58] <PainofMind> what spells does a neter of kings even cast? acid rain a lot? at least you won :v
[00:58] <jsoh> THE NETER OF KINGS DIDNT DO loving ANYTHING
[00:58] <jsoh> THE REASON ALL OF THOSE GUYS DIED IS BECAUSE I KILLED THEM
[00:58] <jsoh> I TOLD ONE OF MY GRAND AUGURS TO CAST LIFE AFTER DEATH AND HE REFUSED, BECAUSE THE TITAN WITH 60 GEMS ISNT WORTH USING ONE GEM
[00:58] <jsoh> SO EVERY ONE DIED AND NONE OF THEM BECAME ZOMBIES
[00:59] <jsoh> WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IS: EVERY MAGE OR PRIEST COMMANDER IN THAT BATTLE SHOULD NOW BE A SOULLESS
[01:00] <jsoh> THE NETER OF KINGS CAST BODY ETHERAL AND ANTIMAGIC AND DIED TO PUNCHES
[01:04] <buer_the_goatse_sun> welcome to dominions 4

Also jsoh got an event where an archdemon took over one of his provinces, so of course he was going to enslave it.

quote:

[02:34] <jsoh> AND IM ABOUT TO CLAIM THE THRONE OF ABUNDANCE
[02:34] <Roland_Jones> That is the best throne.
[02:34] <jsoh> AND IM LIKE 5 TURNS AWAY FROM HAVING BELIAL
[02:34] <jsoh> OR RATHER, A AWAKE BELIAL
[02:34] <jsoh> ILL PROBABLY HAVE BELIAL AS A TROOP FASTER THAN THAT

about 5 turns later

quote:

[20:54] <Treebot> New turn in dominions_four (41)
[20:56] <Diabl0658> hey nuclearmonkee can you make a new LA game so I can play LA pythium?
[20:56] <jsoh> OH MY GOD
[20:57] <jsoh> I ENSLAVED BLEIAL FIRST TRY
[20:57] <jsoh> THEN THE OTHER MAGE IN THE BATTLE ONESHOT HIM
[20:57] <Diabl0658> maybe you should enslave that other mage he sounds like a cool guy
[20:59] <jsoh> FUCKIN LEECHES HIM WITH HIS LAST BLOOD SLAVE

So there was that.

I take the Throne of the Luck or whatever on my eastern border, and eventually get mindhunts going to kill Zeus and take the Throne in my cap circle that turns out to be Splendor. Look out for my flagellents with awe, suckers. (though, real talk, having awe on my squishy old man mages is not the worst thing ever)

I look for other thrones and see the old Belial prov, if taken, would give me a border with a level 3 throne. Ermor is fighting Pythium now, with Ermor slightly winning. I've made noises that I might get involved in that any day now, but more or less that's what I've been saying about any war. I can't see so well now though as I lose Eyes of God to other globals going up. Ermor has Earth Blood Deep Well and Ghost Ship Armada up. Figuring he doesn't want another front I make an offer on the province with a large army nearby.

quote:

Session Time: Thu Feb 18 00:00:02 2016
01[19:44] <Ramc> hello i would like to buy your old belial province from you and rid you of it's mocking memories
[19:45] <jsoh> IM NOT GOING TO AGREE TO A PROVINCE THAT GIVES YOU ACCESS TO THE THRONE FOR NO REASON.
01[19:45] <Ramc> It is a bad throne if it makes you feel better.
[19:46] <jsoh> WHAT WILL YOU GIVE I FOR THIS
01[19:47] <Ramc> Gold, gems or an item I can craft I suppose.
01[19:48] <Ramc> Perhaps you have evolved beyond your need for a crystal coin idk
[19:49] <jsoh> I FUCKIN EMPOWERED A GUY TO MAKE EM BECAUSE JERKS KEEP COCKBLOCKING THE CRYSTAL THRONE
01[19:49] <Ramc> you can consider it the extent of my participation in a dogpile of you as well, as two blood nations fighting you likely don't need help.
[19:49] <jsoh> ?
01[19:49] <Ramc> because helping them would be helping blood nations
[19:49] <jsoh> I KILLED LIKE SIX HUNDRED MAENADS THIS TURN
01[19:49] <Ramc> Hinnom and the green flag dudes
[19:49] <jsoh> HINNOMS NOT EVEN FIGHTING ME
01[19:49] <Ramc> yeah but... maenads
01[19:49] <Ramc> well good then!
[19:50] <jsoh> I ALSO KILLED ABOUT THREE DOZEN COMMANDERS
01[19:50] <Ramc> That is probably better.
01[19:50] <Ramc> than maenads
[19:50] <jsoh> I LOST SIX MAGES, BUT ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY JUST CAME BACK STRONGER
[19:51] <jsoh> http://puu.sh/nd63o/5937de9dff.jpg THIS IS MY LIFE NOW
...
[19:53] <jsoh> IM PRETTY SURE HINNOM IS ACTUALLY GOING TO ATTACK ME SOON BUT ALSO PRETTY SURE THAT IM GOING TO DEAL WITH IT .
01[19:54] <Ramc> Anyway, I do want that prov. I might see if Baudin cares enough to give up the one he has but yours is less valuable on the face
[19:54] <jsoh> FOR REAL MAKE ME AN OFFER WITH NUMBERS IN IT
[19:55] <jsoh> ALTERNATIVELY: GIVE ME ALL OF THE GRAPHS, WITH YOU ON THEM, AND YOU CAN HAVE IT
01[19:55] <Ramc> 30 fire gems?
[19:57] <jsoh> DO YOU HAVE AIR
01[19:57] <Ramc> Not yet, really.
[20:02] <jsoh> HOW MUCH GOLD WILL YOU GIVE ME FOR THIS THING YOU SAY
[20:06] <jsoh> ACTUALLY OD YOU HAVE ANY CONCENTRATION OF GEM THAT IS NOT FREAKIN FIRE GEM BECAUSE I HAVE LOTS OF FIRE AND CAN USE ALMSOT EVERY KIND OF GEM
01[20:06] <Ramc> 300 I suppose.
01[20:06] <Ramc> I think my next highest is probs nature atm.
01[20:07] <Ramc> For some reason.
[20:07] <jsoh> OK ILL TAKE 30 FIRE GEMS

Note on tuesday the 18th there in the above conversation.:
[19:53] <jsoh> IM PRETTY SURE HINNOM IS ACTUALLY GOING TO ATTACK ME SOON BUT ALSO PRETTY SURE THAT IM GOING TO DEAL WITH IT .

quote:

Session Time: Wed Feb 24 00:00:01 2016
01[19:03] <Ramc> Saw the scrollback. Pythium 'oh looks like marignon is attacking rome too now' 'yyyeaaah... attacking...'
01[19:03] <Ramc> :hides bag of fire gems:
[19:04] <jsoh> I HAVE NO ABILITY TO FIGHT AGAINST JEWS FYI
[19:04] <jsoh> SO THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE ALL MY poo poo


Jsoh goes AI eventually and Ermor begins to collapse. I've taken the Throne of Suffering I bought access to, forted it and parked my cardinal hero on it without taking the throne. As Ermor implodes, Hinnom, Pythium and I all rush into it. I luck into seizing the 2-point throne of the moon in the cap circle of Ermor. Pythium took it but was knocked off it by jsoh's AI PG. I immediately moved in and took the fort but did not claim it. I then noticed that the Throne of Abundance was held by the tatters of AI Ermor surrounded by AI Rleyh and some Pythium with no armies near. I had the unique pocket flying boat item, and gave it to a Herald to ferry a terracotta army over and spam living air with a storm staff, and a mound king with D4 to spam skeletons. I take the province


A Hero.

I am 2 points away from victory if I claimed all of these thrones. I have the cardinal on Suffering, a H3 Archangel on the Moon throne, a H2 Herald on Abundance so I forge the unique item the Immaculate Shield to give him +1H for claiming purposes. Now I just need two more points.





My PG is now at this point. F7S7B4. He's been casting lesser horrors and making boots of youth for my wizards. I have Thaumaturgy 9 and decide I will cast ASTRAL TRAVEL to move a massive army onto the 2-pt throne in Hinnom's cap circle near my border and seize it, as it is unforted. I have no idea what is actually NEAR there as my scouts aren't near it yet. I... didn't expect this opening to come up where I had enough thrones.

Except my PG is 'too immobile' to walk through the Astral Travel gate.

It's no big deal though. I have my mindhunters, and with some eq-swapping they get up to the requisite Astral 5 and I send in two armies, my teleported PG and a few teleported support mages and take the province.



The war zone where I teleported in.

I am in the cap circle of Hinnom. He has no Demon Knight stacks near me, but two research stacks and his PG. I prepare. I teleport more mages in. Fly some in. One of my Heralds with boots of quickness flies 5 spaces/turn to get there to help lay down defense. I put a zillion PD in. I set everyone to claim thrones. This is it. Armageddon. The final battle.



Where is the earth shattering kaboom?

There Isn't even any fight reports for any of the throne provinces I took. What... happened? I even had defenders in the throne of abundance on the off-chance Pythium flew some vampires at it.

quote:

[14:40] <Treebot> New turn in dominions_four (71). Defeated: EA Hinnom, LA Pythium, LA Jomon, LA Bogarus
[14:40] <Treebot> Potential stales, estimating from 30s before hosting. Not submitted: EA Hinnom, LA Pythium
[14:40] <homero> _.-------------------------------._
[14:40] <homero> | RIP |
[14:40] <homero> | HINNOM, PYTHIUM, JOMON, BOGARUS |
[14:40] <homero> |___________________________________|
[14:40] <homero> |_____________________________________|

They... forgot to take their turns.

O-okay.


My combat scripts. I was loving ready for an epic throwdown.

It just never happened.



The state of the world. Iíve expanded a little into AI jsohís Ermor to get at their thrones.


Provinces. I was always pretty big.



I steadily made and took forts as I went.



Most of my provinces were kind of trash, but I did ok.



You can see the gemgen globals and Throne of Abundance swapping hands. Hinnom had them last, all the good it did them in the end.



Research! I was doing very well in the end, keeping up with the leaders. Hinnom and Pythium arenít as high up there, but blood nations so theyíre just chucking it all into vampires and demons. It availed them not.



My dominion was huge. I was bleeding into Hinnom and Jomon pretty well. I templed pretty much every non-border territory.



Itís not he size of your army, but how you use it. My armies mostly existed to screen for my wizards in the end. I added terra-cotta soldiers to the mix just because they donít perish to fire storming.

I won. It turned out pretty much noone was paying attention or comparing notes and all my paranoia was once again unfounded.

quote:

01[21:36] <Ramc> I was all set with elaborate scripting and mages defending
01[21:36] <Ramc> in Dom_Four
01[21:36] <Ramc> then nothing
[22:07] <PainofMind> what was even happening in dom_four? Who were you fighting?
01[22:09] <Ramc> You.
01[22:10] <Ramc> The turn you staled I had teleported a ton of dudes onto the life throne in your cap circle
[22:21] <PainofMind> oh
[22:21] <PainofMind> I don't think I noticed between staling and the game closing

Ramc fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Apr 8, 2016

Ramc
May 4, 2008


I am in some other games too.


4623gp in troops and commanders lost or seduced.


WELCOME TO PANGEA EVERYBODY PARTY

Mukip
Jan 27, 2011

by Reene


I did the same thing with Marignon. I think people were comparing notes and chatting about me; they just weren't anticipating how quickly I put myself into a throne victory position for a final-turn triple cap. I doubt it will be possible to do that in Corn, though, due to the throne setup. The jsoh chat logs have brought me great pleasure. What is best in life? I will tell you: the wails of thy Dominions 4 adversaries. I hope his Great Sage dies in a lab explosion.

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008


Good writeups RAMC

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...


Grimey Drawer

If you think mages just shrugging and ignoring their scripts is bad, wait until one of your armies suddenly decides ten dudes with spears are dangerous enough to be flattened with 100+ gems.

ChickenWing
Jul 22, 2010

:v:



My personal preference is "our army has 100 chaff, they only have 10 mages, lol who uses gems"


*is flattened by infinite skeleton army*

Ramc
May 4, 2008


Libluini posted:

If you think mages just shrugging and ignoring their scripts is bad, wait until one of your armies suddenly decides ten dudes with spears are dangerous enough to be flattened with 100+ gems.

I almost forgot this gem from the game and your comments reminded me-

quote:

Session Time: Sun Mar 13 00:00:02 2016
01[19:03] <Ramc> oh, jsoh your AI army made me self-own hilariously in dom_four
01[19:03] <Ramc> "I'm gonna send in this Fire 5 dude to cast FIRESTORM on everything in this fortress aw yeah everyone stay outside ok"
01[19:03] <Ramc> then the ai sends some dudes to attack which of course go BEFORE the castle storming
01[19:04] <Ramc> "SOME VINE OGRES? BETTER CAST FIRESTORM"
01[19:04] <Ramc> RIP my chaff soldiers
01[19:04] <Ramc> Then he of course goes in to storm the castle after spending all his fire gems burning my own army
01[19:04] <Ramc> (and dies ofc)
01[19:04] <Ramc> this loving game haha i am not even mad
Session Time: Mon Mar 14 00:00:01 2016

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER



Ramc posted:

I almost forgot this gem from the game and your comments reminded me-

honestly this actually sounds like a pretty clever idea if you're under siege imo

Nuclearmonkee
Jun 10, 2009




V. Illych L. posted:

honestly this actually sounds like a pretty clever idea if you're under siege imo

Intentionally triggering gem use is definitely a thing you should do.

Ramc
May 4, 2008


What does set it off? I've sort of assumed the relative hitpoint totals of the respective armies.

Nuclearmonkee
Jun 10, 2009




Ramc posted:

What does set it off? I've sort of assumed the relative hitpoint totals of the respective armies.

That's only one piece. It also values mage paths, gems and items.

I had a Pan named "gently caress Your Gems" with equipment in every slot and a handful of harpies scripted to retreat triggering gem use in a large enemy army.

Ramc
May 4, 2008



Is that R'leyh's PG in my candles?
Oh man he isn't looking so hot... wait... do I have a dryad in that province?


Can it beat a bunch of fish and shrimp?



...

:boom:


Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

The very sight of him was enough to make Bush, who had already had one drink from the well, feel consumed with thirst all over again.


The Tentacle Monster wasn't even remotely interested in the Furry Loli

Ramc
May 4, 2008


Enjoy posted:

The Tentacle Monster wasn't even remotely interested in the Furry Loli

Absolute realism was never a Dominions 4 priority, I don't think.

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


Dryads and Swarm are bullshit. This game needs more indep heavy infantry with weapons of sharpness slamming into formations of Hoburg with giant strength.

Ramc
May 4, 2008


quote:

<Teens>: you know ctis is one throne from winning rn right
<Teens>: do you want a nap afro squirrel
<AfroSquirrel>: you're too late ctis won

Waiting for the next turn to go up, to see if this is true.

(I am C'tis)

Donkringel
Apr 22, 2008


Ramc, you should go take over Roland Jones thread as well.

Ramc
May 4, 2008


Donkringel posted:

Ramc, you should go take over Roland Jones thread as well.

I had forgotten about that LP. If I must.

Ramc
May 4, 2008


quote:

<Roland_Jones> Ramc: I paused my LP for a moment because I thought RoughDraft would be over soon, but then it... Wasn't.
* gently caress (~androirc@2CF4A164.A0942FD.C1720308.IP) Quit (Connection reset by peer)
<Roland_Jones> Fortunately it might be soon, so.
<Ramc> do i need to take over your lp roland jones
<Roland_Jones> No.

quote:

[18:55] <Baudin> AfroSquirrel: ok so we need to kill ctis
[18:55] <Baudin> in humanity
03[18:55] * Diabl0658 (~kvirc@synIRC-CD40D5BA.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #dom4goons
[18:55] <Baudin> holy poo poo its loving ramc
[18:55] <Baudin> he's going to beat me AGAIN
[18:56] <Baudin> LWindy_: also hello mr windy i am doing witp right now plz do seo
[18:56] <Baudin> tia
[18:57] <AfroSquirrel> how many turns ago did i tell you ctis was going to win
[18:57] <Baudin> likely never
[18:57] <Baudin> actually
[18:57] <Baudin> never
[18:58] <AfroSquirrel> i definitely told you early on that he was totally unbothered while i fought the rest of the world's wanton agression towards peaceful pan
[18:58] <Baudin> lies

Ramc fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Apr 27, 2016

biosterous
Feb 23, 2013




It's kind of amazing seeing someone go from "what how do I do anything" a couple months ago to "oh, I guess I just win all the games now"

Ramc
May 4, 2008


quote:

<Baudin> GG
<Baudin> Ramc: well done sir
<Treebot> New turn in Humanity (64). Defeated: MA Man, MA Pangaea, MA Vanheim, MA Nazca
<homero> _.----------------------------._
<homero> | RIP |
<homero> | MAN, PANGAEA, VANHEIM, NAZCA |
<homero> |________________________________|
<homero> |__________________________________|
<Ramc> :boom:
* jsoh (~androirc@2CF4A164.A0942FD.C1720308.IP) Quit (Connection reset by peer)
<Baudin> loving awesome game
<AfroSquirrel> humanity lost
<AfroSquirrel> reptilian overlods now

Will try to do graphs and an after action report in the next few days anyway.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"

Fun Shoe

biosterous posted:

It's kind of amazing seeing someone go from "what how do I do anything" a couple months ago to "oh, I guess I just win all the games now"

But he's just so nice you can't help but want to ally with him.

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


Ramc is actually modpud.

Ramc
May 4, 2008


HUMANITY: WHATÖ IS MAN?


Humanity was a gimmick game. The gimmick was, if it wasnít obvious, that the only chassises you could pick from when making your Pretender God were human ones. Archmagi, enchantresses, freak lords, great sages, etc. They are generally unpopular because they are fragile and have low starting dom score.




Cobra Commander was my PG. I picked Cítis, the lizard man nation. Normally you want an awake expander for Cítis because their armies are kind of anemic, but after consulting with dark oracles made my PG imprisoned with a N9E4 bless and good scales. That way I could use my beefy sacreds with extra hp and regen to expand early, and still have them to act as a nasty second or third line once skelespam came online. The 2 pips of air magic were to forge some useful items like flying shoes- which were key to my win, and to cast Rain of Stones (it never came up).


I kind of like it because the Human-chassis dom tax was smoothed out. As far as I know, noone was insane enough to try and turn one into an awake expander.

The map was also fairly crowded, with about 11 provs per player instead of 15. Things got ugly early and Abysia and Asphodel were getting wrecked very early on by neighbors. This chat with Tien Chei player LWindy sums up much of the early game.

quote:

01[13:36] <Ramc> Hello neighbor with a big army on my border
01[13:36] <Ramc> That isn't for me is it?
[20:30] <LWindy> What is your relationship like with Jotun?
01[20:31] <Ramc> ~I do not care at all if you attack them~
01[20:31] <Ramc> That one prov with all the flagellents is literally I can see of them.
01[20:32] <Ramc> (Also if you try to invade me everyone will get swamp AIDS from my toxic dom so)
[20:32] <LWindy> Oh, well I am a pretty tiny nation as you can probably see. Accidents happened while expanding. I'm trying to work out what to do and I'm nervous about you and Jotun
01[20:33] <Ramc> I think everyone is on the small side this game.
01[20:33] <Ramc> 11 provs per player size map instead of 15
01[20:33] <Ramc> pan described it as a knife fight.
01[20:34] <Ramc> I don't care about our old bump anyway.
01[20:34] <Ramc> swamp water under the bridge
[20:35] <LWindy> Help someone out who has no scouts. What is going in the world?
01[20:35] <Ramc> I'm ctis.
01[20:35] <Ramc> I don't start with scouts
01[20:35] <Ramc> but i do have some ofc
01[20:36] <Ramc> Best I can tell with my eyes is that pan is kind of big maybe. Arco might be big.
01[20:36] <Ramc> Aspho seems bad
01[20:36] <Ramc> no clue with nazca except their cap is 5, literally two provs south of your prov saetica
[20:37] <LWindy> I actually meant to send that army south to deal with Aspo lol. Since he is AI and I want to eat up some extra land he took from me. But he went north with my site searcher
[20:39] <LWindy> Vanheim on my side is getting larger. I think it beat Abysia
01[20:45] <Ramc> is that frankenfreak, aby?
[20:46] <LWindy> Cecil
[20:46] <LWindy> Oh
01[20:49] <Ramc> Anyway, we could do a short NAP if it would make you feel less threatened by your friendly neighborhood snakes
[21:04] <LWindy> How short is short, 6 turns?
[21:04] <LWindy> ENOUGH TO GET YOUR LIZARD ARMY INTO POSITION
[21:05] <LWindy> (jks)
01[21:06] <Ramc> 6 is about what I had in mind yes
06[21:07] * Ramc was started moving his army into position when he saw your dudes on his border!
01[21:07] <Ramc> had* started
[21:08] <LWindy> AHHHH
[21:08] <LWindy> A fort is going up there, but only cause there is a gold mine
01[21:09] <Ramc> I am not the T'ien Chi condo association so I will not tell you no!
[21:10] <LWindy> Nah, I drafted them into the first wave against Asp
[21:11] <LWindy> Admittedly they won the first round of battles but ultimately the Asp legal system sided with the tenants
01[21:17] <Ramc> But yes. I don't plan on jumping anyone quite yet. PEACE IN OUR TIME

Later Lwindy would get into spats with Jotun and Vanheim, and come out the worse for him. He publically bemoaned his fate of losing a big army to the giants and I checked the turncout to see if the NAP was expired. It was.

Before all this I did manage to get the Throne of Knowledge. It was easy because it was in my cap circle and my toxic dom had been diseasing and killing the defenders since turn 1. Do you know what also isn't immune to toxic dom? Sages. So many would come to study, learn and die of malaria. Eventually I got a dude with a cureall elixer to hang out there but it was bailing out the titanic. If anyone was wondering- and I certainly was- your PG seems to be immune to toxic MA C'tis dominion even if he isn't cold-blooded.

Nazca got beaten down to his cap and put up Burden of Time, (which stayed for quite awhile). I put Gift of Health up, but Man stole it not long after and kept putting up gemgen globals. I was able to cobble together the gems and paths to cast Ghost Ship Armada which was hilarious and just added to the chaos of the knock-down-drag-out fight as everyone went to war all over. I, myself, took down TC in a lightning war where I took two of his 3 forts over 2 turns, and Pan took the third to 'cut off another front for C'tis' but effectively it just coup de grace'd TC. TC threw his army against mine in a last desperate bid then went AI when it lost, giving all his gems to Pan in thanks for invading him.

Outside, Jotun and Arco went AI eventually leaving Man, Van and Pan all trying to murder each other and eat indies while I ate indies. Nazca eventually built up a giant stack of zombies in his cap over a million turns and took it marching late, seizing two thrones from Pan and adding to the chaos. I quietly got up to 4 thrones eating indies.

Pan, it bears noting, was terrifying the entire game. I had a very early NAP with him that I maintained the entire game and thank loving god because:

quote:

[22:13] <AfroSquirrel> welp
[22:13] <AfroSquirrel> i lost two expansion armie to thrones this turn in humanity
[22:13] <AfroSquirrel> but lol scales pan I can recruit it all back in one turn
[22:13] <AfroSquirrel> naked men best men

Even if there was at time suspicion.

quote:

[21:23] <AfroSquirrel> Ramc why are there undead ponies and lizard sacreds on our border?
01[21:24] <Ramc> patrolling out some event
01[21:25] <Ramc> If I am going to pick a fight to start
01[21:25] <Ramc> it isn't going to be loving Pan

Pan ended up very big...

quote:

01[20:34] <Ramc> Yeah. You are already mega big too tho
01[20:34] <Ramc> You are just less threatening about it.
06[20:34] * Ramc took that lake prov and was like 'oh'
01[20:34] <Ramc> 'oh pan circumnavigates'
01[20:35] <Ramc> :moves cautionary marshmasters
01[20:35] <Ramc> :
[20:35] <AfroSquirrel> I was wondering if/when someone would notice that
06[20:35] * Ramc did
[20:35] <AfroSquirrel> I basically made a beeline north/south
[20:35] <AfroSquirrel> + forests
01[20:35] <Ramc> (While it would probably be convinient for me if you got attacked, I'm not trying to get anyone to with this info)

And because of this Man and Van and whoever else more or less ended up throwing themselves at Pan trying to slow it down. Noone could really build forts or temples because sooner or later a stack would burn all that down.

quote:

19:26] <AfroSquirrel> also my lack of research is starting to hurt now
01[19:26] <Ramc> because I left it at slightly lower PD than the other option
01[19:27] <Ramc> At least you have armies?
01[19:28] <Ramc> You know I'm not even sure what Van has going for it anymore.
01[19:28] <Ramc> They kind of seem like the weak sister of the remaining contenders
01[19:28] <Ramc> (nazca doesn't count)
[19:28] <AfroSquirrel> van is definitely out
[19:28] <AfroSquirrel> naxca is stronger than van
01[19:28] <Ramc> haha what
[19:28] <AfroSquirrel> josh has begun marching his 2500 skeletons + mages
[19:29] <AfroSquirrel> it may be a problem
01[19:29] <Ramc> at who? You?
01[19:29] <Ramc> quakepans
[19:29] <AfroSquirrel> I was his entire cap circle until recently so yes
01[19:29] <Ramc> Can you decap his stacks with dryads?
[19:29] <AfroSquirrel> D2s good against dryads
[19:29] <AfroSquirrel> <AfroSquirrel>: also my lack of research is starting to hurt now

Man eventually put up Call the Wild Hunt which messed with Pan even more, as dryads are sacreds.

I bade my time until I hit Conjuration 9 in research and put up Well of Misery, then I lunged ahead at the final two thrones I needed. One was on my border with Van and was barely protected. I drove a giant wedge of Marshmasters and my PG at it anyway but was barely opposed. I sent Ghost Riders to clear the way toward the other throne I needed in Van's cap circle. I used flying boots to hop my prophet over forests to avoid the wild hunt.




I was able to clear the PD off the throne with Ghost Riders and then hit the then-empty province with some birds to take it. This means when I move in my army it has an absurd amount of PD backing me instead of whatever amount heíd have




50 points of Province Defense backed by a ton of skelespammers, foul vapors, rigor mortis, howl, bottled elementals, regenerating/reinvigorating sobeks and even the serpent ward spell that makes everyone immune to poison so I wouldnít vapor all those horse archers. He puts out some token resistance but he gets steamrolled. I move to seize the throne and the agonizing wait to see if I win commences.



:thurman:

Claiming the throne happens at the very start of the turn. My concern with the moving my army in was his PG would bust out some sort of battlefield-wide effect and zorch my H3 prophet. But now that I am on there, that throne is getting claim so heíd have to kick me off the province entirely for me to lose the throne. This didnít happen obviously.




I had absorbed TC, parts of Jotun and Arco and blitzed a good chunk out of Van. I never really got involved in any drawn out war while everyone else killed each other to death.




Province graph. Pan was expansive, but constant war and trading of provinces meant he never really got infrastructure like forts and temples down.




Fort Graph. I however, was rich and unbothered so I was able to make plenty of forts.




So. Rich. My upkeep wasnít so bad because my actual armies were relatively minimal. All skeletons, all the time.




Man had a few gemgens up- Stellar Focus and Mother Oak. I mostly just systematically took and searched land from TC then AIs. Eventually I got Well of Misery up pretty late, but it helped fuel my skeleton push. I probably didnít really need it.




Noone bothered me and I got the Throne of Knowledge and the sages it brings early, then started making skull mentors. So itís obvious that Iíd have the research lea- wait. Hold on. How did MAN end up with like double my research? How did they lose? (answer: they got bogged down in a brutal forever war with Pangea)




I could afford a lot of temples and spread my dominion all over. I HOPE YOU LIKE MIASMA




Look how small my army was. Big deal. SKELETONS


Now my prophet, let me get a screenshot of him. Like Happynewbie he survived from turn on- wait where is he...

Wait hold on go back to that message page screen. Zoom. Enhance.



...



Oh no. Itís okay. Uh, well he has a bottle of living water and can regen and oh poo poo is that 40 ethereal dudes?




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ChickenWing
Jul 22, 2010

:v:



God that game was ten different kinds of poo poo. I had two regular connections out of my cap, one of which was a level 2 throne - this after remaking the map once because I'd started with my cap adjacent to another player. Despite this, elephants carried me to one of the highest province counts early. You can see me peak in the early bit, being tied with Vanheim and Jotunheim behind Pan. Unfortunately, I was never really able to bring all that to bear - I was constantly being nipped at by my neighbours, and bled troops like a motherfucker. I was able to fend off Vanheim and Nazca reasonably well with mercs, a cut off retreat, and some evocations, but when Asphodel went AI his remaining armies decided to retard smash me...and therein I learned that plant elephants are proper bastards. I lost three major engagements to asphodel and their goddamn carrion beasts, including significant numbers of mages. Around that point, Nazca put up Burden of Time and I had my second fort sieged. I decided then that this game was nowhere near worth giving a gently caress about anymore and went AI.

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