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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Not just that, a win-win!
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Tempest_56 posted:She voted for war once, you know. That means we hate her forever. And something about Walmart? So she's totally evil. hmm ya, the iraq war vote thats ancient history, why should that matter? 
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:This would be remotely salient if BernBern wasn't also pro-Intervention and pro-Drone strike and a Friend of Isreal, e.g., he's just as hawkish as Hilldawg. he's not really at all and HRC was known even among the senior Obama foreign policy team as one of the most hawkish
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:He is all of those things I said. He's been pro-Intervention, pro-Drone (he just said, like last week0ish he wouldn't stop drone strikes) and he's been clear he's a Friend of Isreal. Remind me for a sec, what was the vote tally for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002? http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/hillary-clinton-jewish-donors-israel-119705 
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Sep 14, 2015 17:45
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Franco Potente posted:Why respond to a question, when I can simply shift the goalposts! what was the question?
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Sep 14, 2015 18:04
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Nonsense posted:Why is Bernie a warhawk and murderer of Levant peoples? He's a US politician?
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Sep 14, 2015 18:08
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:
Right, as opposed to noted friend-of-the-right, Hillary Clinton? Which Democratic nominee would they work with?
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if you think Republicans would work with him as President.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Sucking the organizational and ideological base of third parties, or potential third parties, into the Democratic party is a well-observed phenomenon though. The Rainbow Coalition for example sucked up a number of black maoist organizations into the Party. You can look at exactly the same thing happening right now in the UKPOL thread as droves of greens and reds rejoin Labour. well hopefully Bernie drops out soon so the current black maoist organizations have a chance to become viable
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Sep 14, 2015 18:25
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Agreed, friend. me too, unironically. in other news the international labor union i work for has finished tallying up our internal poll amongst our membership for the 2016 presidential race. hillary easily is #1 #2? Donald Trump 
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Sep 14, 2015 18:27
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Trabisnikof posted:Then you're not going to be a very effective advocate for change. If you want to fix a problem, you have to understand why it is broken. or maybe they could have actually prosecuted some of the corporations and people directly responsible for the largest financial catastrophe in a generation? 
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Trabisnikof posted:Except she's willing to make compromise deals with the power special interests in a way that Sanders is not. well now im sold
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Sep 14, 2015 20:27
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Brannock posted:This is from three hours ago so please forgive me for dredging up an old post (and I'm sorry to continue the slapfight) but these accusations are completely bullshit. Andichu here you go, an extensively sourced comparison of the two on issues I find important, as well as a pretty good illustration of why Clinton is a literal lizard person. At least this is some actual concrete stuff instead of whining about ideological purity and strategical voting. Actual issues! no but see HRC expressed that she was sorry for some of these votes and she has learned from her mistakes and blasdjgalsdgjasl;dgjas
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You're so much smarter than that Andichu, why stoop down to this level?
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MaxxBot posted:I take more issue with her past support for "tough on crime" legislation and the drug war than her past stances on gay rights (saying this as a gay male) because she still thinks those positions were legitimate. When she was questioned by BLM activists she seemed to think that the incredibly harsh and draconian prison sentences were a legitimate response to the crime wave, I completely disagree and think that they were a flawed and deeply immoral response. Sure Hillary no longer supports those policies because we no longer have sky high crime rates, but would she change her mind again if crime started going back up? whoa cool it with the  tia
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:She said that they were the right idea, at the time. Which, even a lot of criminologists have said was what they were suggesting at the time. It's only now, with 20~ years of data can we say it was bad policy. She has said, repeatedly, that we need to end the era of mass incarceration and work towards community-based solutions for crime. I too think that things 'the majority of Americans' support are a good indicator of moral righteousness
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Trabisnikof posted:The fact that you think primaries should be about "moral righteousness" indicates a lot.  maybe try reading before posting I was responding to the notion that saying "Hillary's 'evolving' stance on same-sex marriage was totally understandable because the 'majority of Americans supported it'"
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Sep 14, 2015 21:46
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Trabisnikof posted:What are you talking about? I was just listing other common reasons for supporting a candidate in a primary. why is it that no criticism can ever be levied towards HRC without the dedicated Hillary 2016 campaigners ITT coming out with 'well Bernie is terrible because ___________'
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Except it is totally understandable? It's not really, though? The LGBT movement didn't begin in 2013
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Every major politician from both parties from the last two decades have held that same view, as did a large majority of the American people. Like even HOWARD DEAN wasn't pro-gay marriage in 2004. DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:You big doofus, people knew it was wrong 45 years ago when Law And Order was Nixon's answer to antiwar and antiracist riots! People knew back then what it was all about and that people like Clinton, Giuliani, Reagan, and Nixon were all wrong about crime.
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Sep 14, 2015 21:52
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don Jaime posted:So now that this thread has devolved into "THAT BITCH! THAT WHORE!! WHO WOULD VOTE FOR THAT SLUT?!? i'll vote for her if bernie loses," can we gas the whole election forum? Because I thought it existed to contain that from D&D, and it's failing horribly. yeah that's exactly what the thread has devolved to really cutting analysis there
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Sep 14, 2015 21:57
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SedanChair posted:Politicians who supported gay marriage (or any sort of gay rights) simply would not have been electable 10 years ago. 5 years ago, even. If you want a person who's been outspoken and perfect on gay rights for their entire career, wait 30 years. Then disdain them for not being outspoken on whatever sort of rights we suddenly decide are essential at that time. There's a certain fellow from Vermont... 
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Sep 14, 2015 22:05
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I was specifically talking about the policy of war on drugs, I did not address welfare form. Those are separate issues. Also bullshit, the War on Drugs has been controversial as hell since the day it began
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Sep 14, 2015 22:06
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icantfindaname posted:no it's literally 1994 vintage PC GONE MAD, hth. poor old jerry seinfeld can't make fun of the faggots anymore, boo hoo uh no that's not it at all. it's more like college students not wanting to read huckleberry finn because of the word 'friend of the family,' hth
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Sep 15, 2015 16:06
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icantfindaname posted:Are there any actual, non-anecdote examples of this happening outside of comedians mocking the fags and trannies? https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=students+protesting+speaker
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Sep 15, 2015 16:45
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Trump could have ended Jeb's campaign right then and there by pulling a "too slow." He had the perfect opportunity and blew it. would have been too good for words
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Sep 17, 2015 16:40
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It's even more hilarious to me because it really seems like JEB! is saying this crap about his brother out of pride and/or the desire to protect the family name.
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Sep 17, 2015 19:58
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Absurd Alhazred posted:If you're not willing to throw your family under the bus on the way to the White House, you're just not Presidential material. if your family happens to be the same one as GWB, yes agreed
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Sep 18, 2015 00:08
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Luigi Thirty posted:Hillary is proposing a $250/mo cap on prescription costs today so congratulations to Hedge Fund Loser Man for loving his industry until the end of time. ya can't wait for congress to pass this law, a thing that will definitely happen
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Sep 22, 2015 17:56
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for context, Pope Francis name dropped a lady (in the us capitol, no less) who said this:Dorothy Day, Jan 1970 posted:If we had had the privilege of giving hospitality to a Ho Chi Minh, with what respect and interest we would have served him, as a man of vision, as a patriot, a rebel against foreign invaders.
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Xandu posted:I don't think it is, he's been fairly consistent about this point. *runs for vice president*
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