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The first UNIT audio story is now available for download from Big Finish - I figured I'd give it a shot and see what I think, hopefully it is good.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 11:38 |
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echoplex posted:
EDIT: While I'm here, may you guys recommend any Classic serials where the Doctor went to strange places? E-Space, that fairy tale land. Settings 'outside the universe' or at least really really bizarre. I'm a huge fan of those sort of things in Doctor Who. How weird does it get? Lampsacus fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Nov 9, 2015 |
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 12:11 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I think there's at least one thing we can all agree on; Nah. He wrote two stories with interesting ideas and ramifications that would have worked fine with some tweaks. Guy needs a better editor, he's not the next Pip'n' Jane, jeez. I feel like a lot of people went into this two-parter predisposed to hate it because of Kill the Moon. Though to be fair, I liked Kill the Moon so I was more receptive to another Harness. Wonder what the average viewer on the street who doesn't care about who wrote what thought? misadventurous fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Nov 9, 2015 |
# ? Nov 9, 2015 12:38 |
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Lampsacus posted:EDIT: While I'm here, may you guys recommend any Classic serials where the Doctor went to strange places? E-Space, that fairy tale land. Settings 'outside the universe' or at least really really bizarre. I'm a huge fan of those sort of things in Doctor Who. How weird does it get? While it's set in plain old regular outer space, the Fifth Doctor story Enlightenment comes to mind. It has the godlike Eternals having a race in space with old sailing ships, and they all snicker at the Time Lords for making such a show for lording over as small a domain as that.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 12:42 |
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Warrior's Gate! The Mind Robber! Yes Enlightenment! Those stories all own. misadventurous fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Nov 9, 2015 |
# ? Nov 9, 2015 12:43 |
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misadventurous posted:I feel like a lot of people went into this two-parter predisposed to hate it because of Kill the Moon Kill The Moon was a disappointment because it was touted as a potential classic more than because it was that bad. I, for one, didn't know who wrote the two parters until I looked it up after the episode, and I didn't know who he was until I looked that up and then it made sense.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 12:53 |
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I had that response to In the Forest of the Night. Sounded so great and turned out to be a whole lot of nothing. It does not help that the title references Blake and the episode does absolutely nothing except have a literal tyger show up for ten seconds. So, okay, sure. I thought people hated Moon more for the egg moon and the abortion themes, though.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 12:58 |
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Lampsacus posted:I was thinking about this during the episode. I think its because he doesn't have as long lines. He is great at pacing around the room working monologues but the short punchy lines of the Doctor don't run with his style so well Yeah, that makes a lot of sense now you say it. Would also account for why my favourite bit of the series was him talking to camera at the start of 4.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 13:15 |
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misadventurous posted:I had that response to In the Forest of the Night. Sounded so great and turned out to be a whole lot of nothing. It does not help that the title references Blake and the episode does absolutely nothing except have a literal tyger show up for ten seconds. Nobody hates it for the abortion themes because nobody can agree what the gently caress those themes are supposed to be. They exist, you can't say they don't exist, but they're so badly botched and horribly executed and muddled that we have no idea what they are or mean. Kill the Moon was just a lot of failures and hopefully will be forgotten in time.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 16:42 |
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I agree that Kill The Moon is a poorly constructed episode, but it takes it to such an extreme that it loops back around to being entertaining for me. It's just the right amount of crazy. The botched abortion subtext that goes absolutely nowhere is part of that. In The Forest of the Night, though, is botched in the worst way, in that it's aggressively boring. God what a piece of poo poo that was. This is the same guy that wrote 24 Hour Party People. What happened?
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 17:03 |
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I agree with the above. Kill the Moon is on the fun side of ridiculous for me. Forest of the Night is dull as dishwater. Delta and the Bannermen is the best story Who has ever put out though.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 17:33 |
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Just let Zygons be Zygons. If you think about it, that's the simplest message of a simplistic 2-parter. Glad someone pointed out how a plane can be shot down but it's ok the Doctor had a Union Jack parachute.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 18:01 |
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ewe2 posted:Just let Zygons be Zygons. I think I have a migraine from this now.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 18:06 |
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Chokes McGee posted:I think I have a migraine from this now. Great works have sprung from lovely puns. Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light, one of the greatest science fiction books written, is one such example. This episode is not, so much
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 18:43 |
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I did wonder about the other people on that plane.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 18:47 |
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marktheando posted:I did wonder about the other people on that plane. One was a zygon, got what he deserved
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 18:52 |
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I really liked this one. The political message is rather wonky, but it does end with Zigella being put in an administrative position so her legitimate grievance isn't completely ignored, I guess. It would have been a lot easier for a lazy writer with less interest in a 'fair' ending to just have her dramatically die in a way that absolves everyone of guilt. It's optimistic and a bit naive but I'm willing to forgive that in Doctor Who. The main thing is the performances. Capaldi and Coleman were both fantastic, and Clara influencing Zigella through the telepathic link that was meant to be reading her memories was just a great, cool thing for the character to get to do. I also loved Osgood! The bit where she's talking about how if it was her, she'd shoot him twelve times before he could start talking, which she's thought of because she's a very big fan, is just pitch-perfect because that is absolutely the kind of silly nonsense Doctor Who fans love to talk about. I'm pretty sure I've seen that very thought in one of these threads at some point. e: the five rounds rapid bit was a potentially good moment but terribly shot/edited. Kate needed to draw her gun in the same shot as the Zygon began to menace her so that we have direct continuity within the flashback, rather than what we get which is a pause and an awkward cut to her drawing it slowly and firing. The issue is you can't show people getting shot with bullets on Doctor Who, I guess, but there's got to be a better solution than that terrible two shot sequence. Android Blues fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Nov 9, 2015 |
# ? Nov 9, 2015 18:54 |
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The five rounds rapid bit was awful, they need to stop constantly reminding us how much cooler old UNIT were compared to these modern clowns.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:14 |
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Kate Stewart is awful.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:16 |
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Rhyno posted:Kate Stewart is awful. When they said the Master was going to kill someone we care about last series, no really for real this time, I was so disappointed it wasn't Kate.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:18 |
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marktheando posted:When they said the Master was going to kill someone we care about last series, no really for real this time, I was so disappointed it wasn't Kate. She was fun for like 45 seconds but the whole "My father was the head of UNIT so of course it's an inherited position" thing got old really fast.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:22 |
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Brigadier Bambera wouldn't take this poo poo
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:25 |
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...Group Captain Gilmore probably would though
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:25 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Brigadier Bambera wouldn't take this poo poo She was way cooler than Kate (the ultimate in faint praise).
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:33 |
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marktheando posted:When they said the Master was going to kill someone we care about last series, no really for real this time, I was so disappointed it wasn't Kate. The hilariously typical part of that? They completely and utterly undid it. Like we all knew they'd rely on the fact that we didn't know which Osgood died and that they were likely going to play with the fact that there are two. But now we just have both of them back again. So that whole thing about SOME ONE YOU LIKE IS GOING TO DIE was a load of bullshit in just about every single way possible. Way to undermine everything Doctor Who stick to that status quo!
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:42 |
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Why would they say that a character we like was going to die and then kill off Osgood?
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:43 |
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I don't think any horrendous UNIT thing can top cyberbrig or Lee Evans so at least the worst is behind us.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:47 |
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marktheando posted:I don't think any horrendous UNIT thing can top cyberbrig or Lee Evans so at least the worst is behind us. Well now you've done it.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:48 |
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Burkion posted:But now we just have both of them back again. So that whole thing about SOME ONE YOU LIKE IS GOING TO DIE was a load of bullshit in just about every single way possible. Way to undermine everything Doctor Who stick to that status quo! Well now you have to wonder, "oh did the Master kill off a Zygon and knew it? Is that a good thing? Will she have to finish the job later so we have more Osgood?"
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:50 |
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Rhyno posted:Why would they say that a character we like was going to die and then kill off Osgood? Killing someone off we don't give a poo poo about is actually subversive by today's standards
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 19:58 |
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So, I did like the last two episodes pretty well... but I also found Clara reminding me of a documentary about Owls I had just watched where they talked about how their abnormally massive eyes take up over 70% of their skull, leaving little space for the brain.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 20:37 |
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XboxPants posted:So, I did like the last two episodes pretty well... but I also found Clara reminding me of a documentary about Owls I had just watched where they talked about how their abnormally massive eyes take up over 70% of their skull, leaving little space for the brain. Nah, that's not owls, that's anime characters you're thinking of.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 20:49 |
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XboxPants posted:So, I did like the last two episodes pretty well... but I also found Clara reminding me of a documentary about Owls I had just watched where they talked about how their abnormally massive eyes take up over 70% of their skull, leaving little space for the brain. Pfft, owls. Come back when they're potoos.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 20:54 |
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marktheando posted:I don't think any horrendous UNIT thing can top cyberbrig or Lee Evans so at least the worst is behind us. Cyber brig was the most shockingly distasteful thing I've seen the BBC, and the way they aired it on Remembrance weekend makes me think they thought they were being respectful.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 22:06 |
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Cyber brig was the most shockingly distasteful thing I've seen the BBC, and the way they aired it on Remembrance weekend makes me think they thought they were being respectful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmsafe5d4oM
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 22:10 |
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Cyber brig was the most shockingly distasteful thing I've seen the BBC, and the way they aired it on Remembrance weekend makes me think they thought they were being respectful. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who was so bothered by it.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 22:12 |
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Forktoss posted:
Don't sell your original creations short! As a former Santee of yours, the real gift was the cartoon you included, so don't worry too much about the cost of buying something.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 22:46 |
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Short Synopsis: The Doctor meets some words nerds, one of whom is a turd. Long Synopsis: The Doctor brings Peri to a linguistics conference to meet an old friend. The verbose find themselves restricted to a single nonsense word, as the shadow of a mythical "all-word" drives others to suicide, madness, and a desperate attempt to retain an individuality that might never have existed in the first place. What's Good:
What's Not:
Final Thoughts: ...ish is a wonderful story, one that captured my imagination almost right from the beginning and never really let up. The setting doesn't exactly sound like riveting stuff - a linguistics conference - but it is used to great effect, making for some wonderful dialogue between various characters that more than make up for any shortfalls in the actual plot. It does an excellent job of pacing the story right up to an unfortunately anti-climactic ending, and it manages to give both Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant equal measure, both are given plenty to do and each carries their side of the story admirably. That said, this is a Colin Baker audio through and through, none of the other Doctors could have pulled off a story like this without some heavy rewriting, and he dives in headfirst and goes to town on the linguistic fun of it all with an enthusiasm that is as infectious as the nonsensical word "....ish" itself. Despite the weak ending, dropped threads, and a rather unfortunate callous attitude towards a death, I recommend this story highly. It was an utter joy to listen to. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Nov 9, 2015 |
# ? Nov 9, 2015 23:05 |
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Cyber brig was the most shockingly distasteful thing I've seen the BBC, and the way they aired it on Remembrance weekend makes me think they thought they were being respectful. The only way they could ever justify what a lovely idea it was, is if they just go full tilt and have CyberBrig be a thing that happens every season or so. That would be aces. Otherwise gently caress everything.
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# ? Nov 9, 2015 23:06 |
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Lampsacus posted:I was thinking about this during the episode. I think its because he doesn't have as long lines. He is great at pacing around the room working monologues but the short punchy lines of the Doctor don't run with his style so well. Scherzo
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