Saudi Arabia set to crucify a teenager today for critizing the government

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Tezzor: Jul 29, 2013; Can't post for 3 years!

http://usuncut.com/world/today-saudi-arabia-will-crucify-teenager-protesting-government/

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Saudi Arabia, which was just admitted to the UN�s Human Rights Council days ago, will imminently behead and then crucify Ali Mohammed al-Nimr � a young man who encouraged pro-democracy demonstrations during the Arab Spring in 2012, when he was just 17 years old.

The great US ally does it again!

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No prominent American official has spoken out against the Saudi government�s sentence. When press asked the US State Department�s spokesman for his thoughts on al-Nimr�s case, he claimed that he was �not aware of the trial� despite international outrage. When asked about Saudi Arabia�s controversial appointment to head a key UN human rights panel, the US spokesman replied, �We would welcome it. We�re close allies.�

The US and Saudi Arabia have been close allies for decades � the US has approved over $90 billion in weapons sales to Saudi Arabia since 2010. In 2014 alone, the US approved over $2.2 billion in weapons sales to Saudi Arabia.

Many of these weapons are now being used by Saudi Arabia in its invasion of Yemen � and is committing the attacks with intelligence and logistical support from the US. Both Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have accused Saudi Arabia of committing war crimes in its invasion.

Saudi Arabia�s campaign in Yemen has killed over 2,100 civilians and displaced over 1.4 million people, with 13 million Yemenis now food insecure. The invasion has caused 21 million people to be denied life-sustaining goods and services. Saudi Arabia further exacerbates Yemen�s humanitarian crisis with its naval blockade, which restricts access to humanitarian aid.

Al-Nimr�s execution would be far from Saudi Arabia�s first: according to Amnesty International, Saudi Arabia ranks #3 among the world�s top 5 executioners in 2014 (the US ranked #5). Since 1985, Saudi Arabia has executed over 2,200 people for �crimes� including sorcery, witchcraft, adultery, and drug possession. Most of these executions were carried out in the form of a public beheading, though some were carried out by firing squad.

The Leahy Law prohibits the US government from providing military aid to countries guilty of �a gross violation of human rights�; however, the US continues to arm Saudi Arabia in clear violation of this prohibition.

Hopefully the flags will be kept at half mast and great cries of condolence arrive from our government, as they did after the passing of the last fundamentalist dictator.

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 08:37

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It it just me or has no one seen this reported on mainstream news? ABC, MSNBC, Fox, NPR, NY Times, ect

# ? Sep 28, 2015 09:06

Call Me Charlie: Dec 3, 2005; by Smythe

I bet Jesus wished they beheaded him first.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 12:12

Homura and Sickle: Apr 21, 2013

"the US has approved over $90 billion in weapons sales to Saudi Arabia since 2010. In 2014 alone, the US approved over $2.2 billion in weapons sales to Saudi Arabia."

Sounds like arms sales to Saudi Arabia have massively declined recently despite the tone of this sentence. Anyway what is the point of this thread? Everyone knows the Saudi government is brutal and terrible and incredibly stupid, you can't change the fact that the U.S. will be close with them as long as they have stupid amounts of oil.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 12:18

Baron Porkface: Jan 22, 2007

And of course someone has to squeeze the U.S into a news item about the policy of a Bedouin monarchy

# ? Sep 28, 2015 12:27

Bates: Jun 15, 2006

Arms deals are not, strictly speaking, government assistance. I'm sure the US collaborates with the Saudi government when it comes to Yemen and other military issues and that's probably a violation though.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 12:39

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

But you see, America is actually worse because... uh... I got nothing.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 12:47

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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Luigi Thirty posted:

But you see, America is actually worse because... uh... I got nothing.

they support this poo poo?

# ? Sep 28, 2015 12:56

distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

The UK government also grovels in the most embarrassing manner in am attempt to win arms contracts with the Saudis. Check out the Corner House case if you're interested: the government suppressed investigation into bribery associated with a multi billion dollar arms deal as it would offend the Saudis (that was actually their argument). This has happened multiple times.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 13:17

distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

Our Ministery of Justice is also selling consultancy services on how to run their prison system.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 13:18

Gin and Juche: Apr 3, 2008; The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Western nations supporting an oppressive autocracy in the Middle East? Bozhe moi!

# ? Sep 28, 2015 13:19

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

"Man, why don't those Syrian refugees go to Saudi Arabia" :bahgawd:

# ? Sep 28, 2015 13:26

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Luigi Thirty posted:

But you see, America is actually worse because... uh... I got nothing.

Maybe the US is no better or worse than the other actors who support authoritarian and/or apartheid embracing governments who have no conjunction of using violence against their own or neighboring populations?

Everyone just pretends their client-proxy relationship is somehow less horrendous than the other ones.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 13:42

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

The most egregious human rights violation you could come up with - in loving Saudi Arabia, of all countries - is the execution of an anti-government dissident?

I honestly can't even tell what the fuss is about. Is it because they're executing a protester? Egypt's done that by the hundreds. Is it because he was a child when he committed the crime? There are 71 people sitting on death row in the US for crimes they committed as a juvenile. Is it because the manner of execution doesn't pretend to be civilized like the US practice of paralyzing people first so they can't express pain when we inject them with liquid agony? Is it because he alleged that he was tortured, like tens of thousands of other prisoners all over the world? What makes this case notable enough to be examined and objected to separately from the countless other instances of these things all over the world? I mean, other than "because it was done by Islamists instead of against Islamists"?

# ? Sep 28, 2015 15:26

GenderSelectScreen: Mar 7, 2010; I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME; College Slice

Shame it wasn't you.

jk, gently caress the Saudis and the rest of their fundamentalist Islamic brethren.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 15:29

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Main Paineframe posted:

Egypt's done that by the hundreds

Protesters are only human if they're cosmopolitan liberals hth

# ? Sep 28, 2015 15:39

Salt Fish: Sep 11, 2003; Cybernetic Crumb

Luigi Thirty posted:

But you see, America is actually worse because... uh... I got nothing.

Lethal injection is arguably more cruel and unsual that beheading. Given the choice I think I'd pick beheading.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 16:08

Tezzor: Jul 29, 2013; Can't post for 3 years!

Egypt's coup government which carried out the executions you refer to is also a US ally

# ? Sep 28, 2015 17:19

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

Salt Fish posted:

Lethal injection is arguably more cruel and unsual that beheading. Given the choice I think I'd pick beheading.

Beheading is by far the most humane form of execution. Although "most humane" in the context of murder is a rather ghoulish phrase.

I suppose a high-caliber gunshot directly to the brainstem might be better, although that introduces some extremely small probability of failure.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 17:48

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

What about an anti-aircraft round straight to the head? I'm guessing that's over pretty fast, and the brain is certainly not intact afterward so there's no chance you could be conscious for any period of time after it happens, whereas I believe it's something of an open question with beheading.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 17:52

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

PT6A posted:

What about an anti-aircraft round straight to the head? I'm guessing that's over pretty fast, and the brain is certainly not intact afterward so there's no chance you could be conscious for any period of time after it happens, whereas I believe it's something of an open question with beheading.

Well we could drop a small nuclear device on a guy, but I think cost-prohibitive measures are probably out of the running here.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 17:53

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

mdemone posted:

Well we could drop a small nuclear device on a guy, but I think cost-prohibitive measures are probably out of the running here.

I doubt anti-aircraft rounds are that expensive, especially compared to due process in a country that isn't an rear end-backwards shithole like Saudi.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 18:00

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Itt people display complete ignorance of weapon prices and the notion that you can drat Saudi Arabia and wilfull blindness without being a hypocrite.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 18:12

Spacman: Mar 18, 2014

PT6A posted:

I doubt anti-aircraft rounds are that expensive, especially compared to due process in a country that isn't an rear end-backwards shithole like Saudi.

A JDAM would work pretty good, only cost about 25k each, and I bet you you sell the Saudis that poo poo along with the platforms that employ them. The accuracy is supposed to be about 13m, but I bet if you tie some fucker to a post out in the desert and have a really good GPS fix on him you could headshot them with one.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 18:31

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

Barbarians.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 18:32

Nckdictator: Sep 8, 2006; Just..someone

Main Paineframe posted:

The most egregious human rights violation you could come up with - in loving Saudi Arabia, of all countries - is the execution of an anti-government dissident?

I honestly can't even tell what the fuss is about. Is it because they're executing a protester? Egypt's done that by the hundreds. Is it because he was a child when he committed the crime? There are 71 people sitting on death row in the US for crimes they committed as a juvenile. Is it because the manner of execution doesn't pretend to be civilized like the US practice of paralyzing people first so they can't express pain when we inject them with liquid agony? Is it because he alleged that he was tortured, like tens of thousands of other prisoners all over the world? What makes this case notable enough to be examined and objected to separately from the countless other instances of these things all over the world? I mean, other than "because it was done by Islamists instead of against Islamists"?

Not since 2005. Far too late but atleast that's stopped.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 18:35

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

mdemone posted:

Beheading is by far the most humane form of execution. Although "most humane" in the context of murder is a rather ghoulish phrase

nitrogen asphyxiation

cheap, safe, effective, painless, nontoxic, no mess, no cleanup

# ? Sep 28, 2015 18:41

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Tezzor posted:

Egypt's coup government which carried out the executions you refer to is also a US ally

Sure, what's your point? Based on the title and very limited OP of this thread, I expected you to be criticizing Saudi Arabia's human rights record, not halfassedly calling out the US for supporting Bad People.

Nckdictator posted:

Not since 2005. Far too late but atleast that's stopped.

The stoppage wasn't retroactive, though. Everyone who was sentenced to death for a juvenile crime before 2005 remained on death row after that decision, and will continue to remain there until they are executed or exonerated. There's 71 left.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 19:10

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Main Paineframe posted:

Sure, what's your point? Based on the title and very limited OP of this thread, I expected you to be criticizing Saudi Arabia's human rights record, not halfassedly calling out the US for supporting Bad People.

It's the Chomsky school of moral criticism. Something is only worth criticizing if it can be Kevin Bacon'd back to the USA.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 19:15

Tezzor: Jul 29, 2013; Can't post for 3 years!

Main Paineframe posted:

Sure, what's your point? Based on the title and very limited OP of this thread, I expected you to be criticizing Saudi Arabia's human rights record, not halfassedly calling out the US for supporting Bad People.

The point of underlining the hideousness of our close allies is to demonstrate that US foreign policy is actually not based in following any higher principles, which unfortunately many in this country still believe, and many in this forum claim to not believe until they see some atrocity on the news and start demanding a new war

# ? Sep 28, 2015 19:16

Tezzor: Jul 29, 2013; Can't post for 3 years!

Fojar38 posted:

It's the Chomsky school of moral criticism. Something is only worth criticizing if it can be Kevin Bacon'd back to the USA.

That we sell Saudi Arabia billions in weapons, support them in the UN, send our troops in to defend them when threatened, kiss their feet when their leaders travel here and release weeping official statements when their dictators die is hardly an obscure connection

# ? Sep 28, 2015 19:19

Nckdictator: Sep 8, 2006; Just..someone

Main Paineframe posted:

Sure, what's your point? Based on the title and very limited OP of this thread, I expected you to be criticizing Saudi Arabia's human rights record, not halfassedly calling out the US for supporting Bad People.

The stoppage wasn't retroactive, though. Everyone who was sentenced to death for a juvenile crime before 2005 remained on death row after that decision, and will continue to remain there until they are executed or exonerated. There's 71 left.

Just when I'm slightly optimistic about something...

# ? Sep 28, 2015 19:25

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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Condiv posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ItJe2Incs

it's especially dangerous for the same reasons it's a humane execution method. you feel no pain, and quickly lose conciousness and die

so are youo imaginiing we just lower the condemned into a concrete pipe or something because we've also mastered the exotic techology of "oxygen masks"

# ? Sep 28, 2015 19:42

Sword and Sceptre: Jan 24, 2011; by vyelkin

I can appreciate from a historical point that an ancient roman execution method is still used in 2015

# ? Sep 28, 2015 19:48

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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StandardVC10 posted:

Saudi Arabia's is one of a large number of lovely governments that don't deserve the United States' support but get it anyway.

yeah but it's worse because it's the ME and the undermining of liberal democracy has turned the entire region into a hellscape warzone. like africa is already a shithole, it doesn't matter if the US supports a lovely dictator there. this is literally the reason why the ME is hosed up

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icantfindaname posted:

yeah but it's worse because it's the ME and the undermining of liberal democracy has turned the entire region into a hellscape warzone. like africa is already a shithole, it doesn't matter if the US supports a lovely dictator there. this is literally the reason why the ME is hosed up

I wouldn't say it's specifically the undermining of democracy so much as general Western meddling in Middle Eastern affairs. The message the 20th century sent to the Middle East is that it doesn't matter whether the country is ruled by a long, a dictatorship, or a democracy - the only way the government will survive to the end of the year is if it is either intensely pro-Western or is able to suppress political opposition so thoroughly that the CIA can't find a rebel group or disloyal general to sponsor.

Not just the Middle East, either. I'm not as familiar with African history, but in the early 20th century practically the entire continent was under Western influence or control. There's no way that isn't a major factor in Africa's issues, the same way it was in the Middle East.

# ? Sep 28, 2015 20:04

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