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SA_Avenger
Oct 22, 2012

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

What happens when it turns out your investors end up wanting Rome 2? Or that Hellenistic DLC for CKII?

You're hosed now Groogy. :getin:

What's Doomdark working on nowadays? Should be Rome 2. He only can save pdox (or make your stock skyrocket) Johan will probably tell them to gently caress off and podcat show them cat pictures. I love paradox still despite them moving on the dangerous space route...I guess they have taken a liking in dangerous moves. So Rome2 it will be or dinosaurs.

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Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes
Doomdark is in charge of Stellaris design. CK2 too, but mostly Stellaris at the moment.

Bel Monte
Oct 9, 2012
Hey, wouldn't owning a nice chunk of stocks in paradox make you priveledged to company information the public doesn't know, like, say, development confirmed on Rome 2? I'm sure there's laws regarding leaking the info but at least you'll be a part of the cool kids club!

Is that worth it to you, fellow goons?

SA_Avenger
Oct 22, 2012

Darkrenown posted:

Doomdark is in charge of Stellaris design. CK2 too, but mostly Stellaris at the moment.
Shame for the dinosaurs guess it will have to wait for podcat making a coup. You shouldn't have told me that. Hyping me on yet another space game. (And crushing my hopes for Rome2 yet again)
I thought there was a new guy handling ck2 but I fell out of the loop unfortunately. Thanks for the heads up DR.

Nicodemus Dumps
Jan 9, 2006

Just chillin' in the sink

DrSunshine posted:

So... the Paradox Forums? :ironicat:


The difference is Paradox has no fiduciary duty to their forums members. They will have such a duty to maximize their stockholder's returns.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"



https://www.google.com/maps/@59.3129245,18.0715142,3a,75y,167.55h,78.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sT0e_WXGGk50AAAQvOl_PYA!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656

Groogy
Jun 12, 2014

Tanks are kinda wasted on invading the USSR
Tip, if you go through the elevator behind you when you start the tour you get to the PDS floor.
HOI4 QA have the best whiteboard, you'll know it when you see it.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

I want this boardroom to be mine!

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe
Did you get those lockers from an actual ww2 bunker or something? They look like they have seen some poo poo.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

Finally I can leverage all my trucking and housing equity to buy Paradox shares. All of them.

Just gonna have to flip a couple of Stockholm apartments first. About 3, I think, for the valuation of Paradox?

Gotta get in on the ground floor of this new hot digital market. iParadox 2.0! Up Up Up!

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

I think Groogy has a traitor in the midst, because I saw a scribbled Zeus Vult on a whiteboard.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Break room: "Why not take a break? Press + to pause the game."

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

Världskrigsstrategispelet ”Hearts of Iron IV”.

Try pronouncing that word 6 times quickly, english goons.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Pimpmust posted:

Finally I can leverage all my trucking and housing equity to buy Paradox shares. All of them.

Just gonna have to flip a couple of Stockholm apartments first. About 3, I think, for the valuation of Paradox?

Gotta get in on the ground floor of this new hot digital market. iParadox 2.0! Up Up Up!

Liquidate your 99% of your horse equity to buy Paradox stock, leave your remaining horse and name it the executor of your estate.

Groogy
Jun 12, 2014

Tanks are kinda wasted on invading the USSR

SeaTard posted:

I think Groogy has a traitor in the midst, because I saw a scribbled Zeus Vult on a whiteboard.

That's my Whiteboard (notice the hedgehog) and Zeus was the project name for the Conclave.

Westminster System
Jul 4, 2009

You missed your chance for the obligatory "give it a good tumble" option.

Also, can't wait for paradox forums to be able to use the line "And I'm an investor in this company!!" to justify shoehorning in their nationalist/racist/sexist/absurdist views.

Tahirovic
Feb 25, 2009
Fun Shoe
So how much do we have to invest to get Vicky3 and/or Rome2 ?

Honestly, I am with the pessimistic crowd, I don't really see what they'll gain and how they want to avoid the risks of being controlled by assholes that want short term profit. Share Holder Value is a term you rarely get to use in a positive context.
Can someone elaborate on how they can avoid pressure from their share holders? Or explain in non-google-translate English why they need this cash infusion?

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
'i think you'll find there's a reason there are no Sub-Saharan stockholders in your company :smug:' - the forums, too soon

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

YF-23 posted:

Paradox are running a survey on mobile/tablet gaming that includes questions with regards to full ports (and the ability to continue a campaign from one platform to the other), mobile versions and companion apps. I don't know how well the games could be optimised to work on tablets without compromising the mechanics, but there is always the option of hosting the game on a server or cloud so that the bulk of the game's computation, data storage etc. isn't done client-side. I would have to assume that that would be really expensive to maintain, though.

I'm not sure I buy that you'd be able to really control a PDX map game all that well via tablet? Like between needing to see the map or pieces of info you'd want to make actions on, and the various menus like budget control and whatnot.

I mean I'm sure I could be proven wrong, but still seems like a difficult bridge to cross.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

I'm not sure I buy that you'd be able to really control a PDX map game all that well via tablet? Like between needing to see the map or pieces of info you'd want to make actions on, and the various menus like budget control and whatnot.

I mean I'm sure I could be proven wrong, but still seems like a difficult bridge to cross.

Specially when so much information is located in tooltips, as in CK2 and EU4

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

I'm not sure I buy that you'd be able to really control a PDX map game all that well via tablet? Like between needing to see the map or pieces of info you'd want to make actions on, and the various menus like budget control and whatnot.

I mean I'm sure I could be proven wrong, but still seems like a difficult bridge to cross.

On one hand, paradox games are just mouse controlled: that should make it portable to touchscreem without too much editing. On the other hand, precise clicking and mouse-overs are very important in paradox games, and those are kinda heard to do on a touchscreen.

Pump it up! Do it!
Oct 3, 2012

Oberleutnant posted:

Shareholders are flighty, superstitious animals who get spooked at the slightest little thing and sell all their stock in a panic. Shareholders are trash, and once your company is public you essentially become a parent to the most useless, whining, retarded children ever and spend the rest of your life walking on eggshells and doing nothing unexpected that might cause them to throw a fit.

Have you ever owned stocks? You might describe some private investors while Paradox stocks will probably be bought up mostly by banks, investment firms and pension funds.

Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

Lord Tywin posted:

Have you ever owned stocks? You might describe some private investors while Paradox stocks will probably be bought up mostly by banks, investment firms and pension funds.

Yeah it's not like half the market is making money shorting stuff and spreading FUD to further that, it's really just these scaredy cat "individual investors" lmao that old chestnut.

cerror
Feb 11, 2008

I have a bad feeling about this...
Spotted "Comet Sighted!" and immediately reacted with, "The economy, you fools!"

Dibujante
Jul 27, 2004

Wiz posted:

You guys are pretty silly. Your map games will be safe, I promise.

You already left us for Stellaris!

pdxjohan
Sep 9, 2011

Paradox dev dude.

SeaTard posted:

I think Groogy has a traitor in the midst, because I saw a scribbled Zeus Vult on a whiteboard.

Conclave was called zeus as a projectname..

Dibujante
Jul 27, 2004

pdxjohan posted:

Conclave was called zeus as a projectname..

So, Peloponnesian War game confirmed?

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/03/07/how-to-fix-the-4x/

An RPS article on 4x games that gives some love to Vicky-2. Just in case people are interested in that sort of thing...

Since I don't have any great thoughts on Paradox's IPO, I wanted to babble on a bit about this article on some of the staleness of 4x games.

I think the thing that hits me about where 4x games are wearing thin on me is that while there are variations on the various micro-mechanics inside each game- different combat resolution systems, different tech tree concepts, innovations to diplomacy and economies- at the end everything still on a macro level comes back to 4x. Which I guess is a semantic problem- if your game isn't about explore-expand-exploit-exterminate then I guess you aren't technically a 4x game?

But to me not only does 4x feel overdone, it just doesn't jive with how I look at history or the world. I don't need verisimilitude or imagine it would make everything better, but I guess I look at 4x games and see a philosophy that your empire is the sum of its land and technologies mostly, and really not at all the sum of your people and cultures. I think that's one of the things that always brings me back to Vicky- that attempt to balance capitalists and socialists, reformers and conservatives just makes the game feel more about leading people than most other games. EU and CK hit that itch as well.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe
Yeah, I'd really love to see a Vicky-style take on a Civ game, where it's more about the people than the "civilization". Plus there's a lot of interesting historical territory you can cover that's not really touched on by the standard 4x formula - how development of agricultural techniques causes lifestyles to shift and the availability of food leads to more specialization of labour, how that leads to populations concentrating more heavily in cities, how that leads to class structures as well as diseases, etc. etc. Cultural development is basically just a footnote in most 4x games, even though it's the driving force behind basically all of human history.

Crash74
May 11, 2009

Antti posted:

Break room: "Why not take a break? Press + to pause the game."

I approve of the concentration camp break room motief, needs more razor wire though,

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

Since I don't have any great thoughts on Paradox's IPO, I wanted to babble on a bit about this article on some of the staleness of 4x games.

I think the thing that hits me about where 4x games are wearing thin on me is that while there are variations on the various micro-mechanics inside each game- different combat resolution systems, different tech tree concepts, innovations to diplomacy and economies- at the end everything still on a macro level comes back to 4x. Which I guess is a semantic problem- if your game isn't about explore-expand-exploit-exterminate then I guess you aren't technically a 4x game?

But to me not only does 4x feel overdone, it just doesn't jive with how I look at history or the world. I don't need verisimilitude or imagine it would make everything better, but I guess I look at 4x games and see a philosophy that your empire is the sum of its land and technologies mostly, and really not at all the sum of your people and cultures. I think that's one of the things that always brings me back to Vicky- that attempt to balance capitalists and socialists, reformers and conservatives just makes the game feel more about leading people than most other games. EU and CK hit that itch as well.

Yes you're perfectly right, I too am tired of Civilization and Civ-clones, I found the EU / CK approach much fresher and better since you can just enjoy the mechanics and losing a war, even a big one, almost never means "game over". You can be as laid back as you want to be and still have a fun game in a way that most Civ-clones can't manage: if you're too far behind in land, tech or military you'll not only lose one war but get exterminated and outpaced, part of it is that diplomacy is a joke in this kind of game while in EU4 you can just stay on France's good side and you can then be "safe" even if you're a small, backwater power. In CK2 it's even better since you can do a full game as the count of Bumblefuck and still have a great time just scheming, betraying, marrying and placing your relatives into power positions in other realms, but it's a different game.

That's also why I am pretty excited for Stellaris, it looks a great fusion between EU4 and Civilization/Master of Orion

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

I agree with everything in the above. Paradox titles are great because there's no real "win" condition besides what the player sets for himself, and often times you can play entire campaigns just going for a single achievement.

Stardrive 2 came out with a DLC today which actually looks decent but it doesn't really seem to have anything super new in it. It plays with sectors as the new form of map control but the tech tree really doesn't support it, which is a shame.

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat
So how long is ck2 going to be supported with DLC? I'm not asking because I am mad about videogames or anything like that, but rather out of curiosity. It has been out for 4 years now, yeah?

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Demiurge4 posted:

I agree with everything in the above. Paradox titles are great because there's no real "win" condition besides what the player sets for himself, and often times you can play entire campaigns just going for a single achievement.

Stardrive 2 came out with a DLC today which actually looks decent but it doesn't really seem to have anything super new in it. It plays with sectors as the new form of map control but the tech tree really doesn't support it, which is a shame.

This is actually why I'm really excited for Stellaris. The idea of a 4X space game that plays like EU4 instead of Civ in Space is just so appealing.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I'd like to publicly announce to this thread and the internet in general that I'd really really like to play Stellaris.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

So how long is ck2 going to be supported with DLC? I'm not asking because I am mad about videogames or anything like that, but rather out of curiosity. It has been out for 4 years now, yeah?
Until people stop buying it, or it comes back up in the development hopper, so after Victoria 3 and Rome 2.

LordMune
Nov 21, 2006

Helim needed to be invisible.

Baronjutter posted:

I'd like to publicly announce to this thread and the internet in general that I'd really really like to play Stellaris.

Please do look forward to it.

Groogy
Jun 12, 2014

Tanks are kinda wasted on invading the USSR
Crusader Kings will outlive me and I just "became a grown up today". Take from that however you want.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

congrats on obtaining sex

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PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Stairmaster posted:

congrats on obtaining sex

Don't be absurd.

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