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ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Dreylad posted:

I'll take an alt-history event where the meeting between William Lyon Mackenzie King and Hitler results in Canada joining the Nazi Reich.

Okay I'll take any Canadian related event, i don't care anymore

Things happened in Canada after the War of 1812? Huh. Who knew.

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ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Psychotic Weasel posted:

In one of my earliest HOI3 games I had the option to liberate both East and West Germany seperatly (even though I had occupied both) as well as the option to liberate Germany as a whole. I picked the third option as it sounded like it made the most sense and the game immediatly reinstalled Hitler and ths NSDAP to power... (edit: this was also the same game where the Vichy French joined the Allies and we couldn't reunite France. Look how far we've come)

Since then I've learned to never liberate a country until the war is done. The extra country's borders just gently caress with the supply system and make things even harder. Not to mention you cannot create your own custom borders so you lose all control over strategic ports and airfields.

That's awesome. I was always a fan or releasing

Psychotic Weasel posted:

In one of my earliest HOI3 games I had the option to liberate both East and West Germany seperatly (even though I had occupied both) as well as the option to liberate Germany as a whole. I picked the third option as it sounded like it made the most sense and the game immediatly reinstalled Hitler and ths NSDAP to power... (edit: this was also the same game where the Vichy French joined the Allies and we couldn't reunite France. Look how far we've come)

Since then I've learned to never liberate a country until the war is done. The extra country's borders just gently caress with the supply system and make things even harder. Not to mention you cannot create your own custom borders so you lose all control over strategic ports and airfields.

That's as awesome as a national socialist Israel, which I saw a couple of times, though I cannot remember if that was HOI 2 or 3.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Baronjutter posted:

I can't imagine iIsrael using an ideology of racial/religious superiority and purity to aggressively expand their territory at the expense of a demonized other which are concentrated into shrinking ghettos.

Nevertheless it existed in game because it was possible to release Israel as National Socialist Germany.

I mean, why wouldn't it be possible game mechanic wise? I just thought it a little odd that the government type/philosophy matched Germany so closely.

Edit.

In other words, do not get mad at me. I was just pointing out a ridiculous thing that could, and did, happen with the "release nation" mechanic.

Just like releasing Germany only to find Hitler and the nazis back in charge of the just defeated Germany.

Going back to the original point regarding Germany, I remember being irritated in HOI2 that, if I had captured enough of it as the Soviets, I could release Germany proper; however if I did that it wouldn't be communist (some other radical left type) and would be the Federal Republic of Germany rather than the GDR.

ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Feb 12, 2016

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Enjoy posted:

There were literal Zionist Nazis (nowadays they are just figurative Nazis)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29

Actually, reading that I bet that is where they seeded the leaders for the government type from.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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So let's get real. Solaris Stellaris is Vicky 3 with a space skin, isn't it?

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Autocorrect

ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Feb 15, 2016

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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COOL CORN posted:

No, Solaris is an operating system from Oracle

Autocorrecting phone post. Sorry.

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Pretty sure it was a Soviet film before it was an OS.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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zedprime posted:

Scenarios set up to explicitly follow scifi settings will be neat but I'm a lot more interested in the patchwork opportunities in the base game to see how the United Confederation of Planets would handle not-Chaos demons or see how space Hitler manages the robot threat.

Are you saying chaos demons are not one of the end game consequences of scientific research gone wrong, and will need to be modded in!?

Shame on you Paradox.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Agean90 posted:

Plantation owners in the south were so loving stupid that after the civil war they had trouble getting any labor because they didn't understand that they needed to pay people decent wages.

edit: also a combination of Jim crow laws and widespread discrimination meant that they majority of post civil war plantation workers were black.

Why would they? Not like factory owners were paying decent wages in Chicago factories in the 1870s.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Kaza42 posted:

There should be a middle ground between "AI takes adjacent territories and stops" and "AI China takes Turkey before Japan". Couldn't you have AI countries take stuff close to them FIRST, and then set up distant colonies/puppets? That seems like it would resolve what people are complaining about.

Let's face facts, Turkey should be impossible to "puppet" by N. China or Japan. The likelihood of either country having the political capital to ensure that the rest of Europe doesn't say, "uh, no... we're the Occident and that's in our sphere of influence" seems rather remote. That's like Japan puppeting Central America on it's own, the Monroe doctrine be damned.

Senor Dog posted:

Vicky is wonderful and beautiful unlike you who is the opposite!!

I too support this post.

ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Nov 28, 2016

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

The only time I've played Germany I couped them to Democratic first.

With all the national focuses giving you war goals and the fact that this was the release version where other countries wouldn't sanity check their focuses, it worked out mostly the same except I wasn't Hitler spreading fascism.

The only true way to play Germany in any HOI is to go communist. Long live the GDR. :ussr:

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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zedprime posted:


e. EU4 horde mechanics are also sort of gencocidey if you pick up the coding of development = population.

Yeah, it's been awhile since I played EUIV, but two things come to mind:

1. You can literally attack the natives in colonized provinces until their population is zero.

2. You can pay to "switch" cultures in any province you own, which happens over time. This is literally an abstraction of cultural, religious, and physical extermination of human being on a large scale.

I always tried very hard to not actually think about what some of the real life things the game mechanics were modeling.

And in the case of the military attacking the natives, there is a very literal translation.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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All of the above is to say: paradox we want Vicky 3.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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IncredibleIgloo posted:

Here is a kickstarter for a board game that may be of interest to Paradox fans. It seems a little ambitious, but it might be neat! (It *is* expensive though)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/166119889/medioevo-universalis/description

I don't play board games often enough to justify even the kickstarter price tag.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

This is very strange, since he seemingly still runs Conifer Games, a Michigan-based studio he founded to make At the Gates. He posted an update on the 7th with a detailed roadmap for AtG, which also stated that he will be doing something with some other people soon, which I guess was a reference to this. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jonshafer/jon-shafers-at-the-gates/posts/1879147

Not really. Independent contracting is a huge thing in the video game industry. Contracting to work on one title does not mean you need to abandon your other work or stop running your own company.

Then again, paradox could buy him out of ATG too.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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So my biggest quibble with the Vicky games has aways been the pacing. As someone used to playing the CK and EU titles I often ended up going... “wtf, what do you mean the game is over... oh, I only had a century to work with.”

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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chaosapiant posted:

So to be clear, I'm not at all afraid of losing or loving up a game, that's the best way to learn. My issue is that ok I clicked a button and I'm married. So? And then I have a blind heir with AIDS or my king dude gets migraines or whatever, tons of stuff going on but I can't tell what any of it means and what it affects.

So you can gets traits like: blind, has AIDS, etc. Each of these traits shows up as an icon on their character sheet next to their portrait.

You can mouse over these icons and it tells you what this means game mechanics wise and, more or less, these are straight forward.

For example, -5 to Marshall means they are worse at fighting and leading armies (as an example) and -20 to vassal opinion means your vassals (the landed nobles beneath you) like you less (as another example).

ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jul 25, 2018

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Jazerus posted:

in the victorian era nobody understood the economy except marx and horrible decisions were made because of it

it's more authentic to the period to have everyone desperately stumbling around grabbing random colonies to try to get the market to go their way, with a vague understanding of the mechanics but a lot of unseen pitfalls to fall into also

Amen, sir, amen. I too worship at the church of Marx.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Fintilgin posted:

Prussia/Nazi fetishism makes it too squicky for me.

I will also never play the Confederacy in any game ever, under any circumstances. Period. No exceptions. I'll play Nazi Germany before the CSA. Which is weird and illogical, because the Nazi's were definitely 'worse', but I have this utter, visceral, gut loathing of the CSA which goes beyond logic.

I won't play mean ideologies in Stellaris either. It's pretty much rogue caretakers, egalitarianism, and xenophiles, with mix of materialism or spiritual depending on mood.

I can't even pick mean dialogue in rpgs. :lol:

I always play the CSA in Civil War games—despite being the farthest thing from a “neo-Confederate” you will find.

Honestly, this is probably because of my family history and being raised with the constant awareness:

Your great great great grandfather serves with the Army of Northern Virginia and was wounded at Sharpsburg, then was commissioned as an officer in the Confederate Corps of Engineers. He served with Taylor during the Red River Campaign.

His youngest brother was killed in service to the Confederacy at Carrick’s Ford, and the middle brother wounded at Gettysburg in Pickett’s charge.

Also your 1st cousin three times removed was Charles Venable (Lee’s Aide de Campe).

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Senor Dog posted:

Congrats on being related to a bunch of traitors

Well, I wouldn’t really call them traitors since there was a very real (at the time) constitutional ambiguity about citizenship and states AND I think nationalism is bullshit and reject the notion that I, or anyone else owes allegiance to a nation or state because I was born in a specific geographic location.

However, at least in my case, they were people who kept other human beings as property, then fought in a war with the explicit purpose of preserving chattel slavery as an economic institution.

The latter being the part of my families story that wasn’t highlighted much growing up. But hey, we don’t highlight all kinds of terrible poo poo our “countrymen” have done—like invading Mexico and stealing half of its territory or the outright genocide of Native Americans in North America.

Edit

Incidentally I am always amused by the traitor label when applied to any American at any time when the entire foundation of the United States is predicated on the people who fought in the revolution being engaged in a gigantic act of ‘treason.’

ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jul 30, 2018

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Fister Roboto posted:

How about we take this nonsense in the opposite direction, and make it so that you have to issue orders to every soldier and sailor in your military individually. Delegating command is for losers.

I would not ironically attempt to play this game.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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StashAugustine posted:

Hm but have you considered that the history of hitherto existing society is the history of class struggle?

Every day. :ussr:

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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baw posted:

This got me more excited for the game than all the dev diaries combined

I don’t get it.

“Better to stop at the Republic because we do not want to do the empire badly...” followed by “oh, the player can transition to the empire early if they want.”

So in my brain this means:

1. Transitioning to the empire early ends the game; or
2. We are full of poo poo and are angling for a dlc.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Koramei posted:

E:^b

I think they mean they don’t want to do that part where you control 90% of the map and have nothing to do badly (which happens to be when it was the empire), not that they don’t want to do justice to the government form itself.

I mean despite the term Pax Romana, the empire period was anything but, and controlling the area immediate around the Med was far from the entire world, and I am talking the world had ‘borders’ with and fought constantly.

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ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Sampatrick posted:

EGS occupies the same market as Steam, which is a different market from Humble, GoG, Gamersgate, etc. EGS won't ever kill Steam, obviously, but at the same time that doesn't mean it won't force Steam to renegotiate with developers in order to convince them to not take exclusivity agreements. This is obviously good for consumers, because it means more money is being spent on the development of games, and its also good for developers because it means that they can now negotiate higher the revenue they get from sale of products.

Also, EGS definitely does offer alternative payment options.

If only capitalism ever had consumers' best interests at heart; though, importantly, I am not saying you are wrong per se, but I will say that this does not actually mean that game developers are necessarily going to see higher revenue from the sale of their products. I do reject the assertion that any company, no matter what they produce, receiving higher revenue for the sale of their products means by definition the consumers will see any sort of benefit.

I mean, look at the pharma industry. They receive incredible amounts of profit for their products, particularly in the United States, and despite what those companies tell you about needing the profit for research and development, in reality 90% of the research and development is done at public universities using public funds, and very very little of a company like Lilly's profits get reinvested into 'research and development' or, gods forbid, a reduction in costs to the end consumers of Lilly's products.

Finally, having worked some portion of my life in the video game industry, I can tell you that it is a fact that the majority of companies that make video games not only treat their employees like poo poo, but aren't particularly interested in the notion that if you increase their profit margins, you might improve consumers lives. In fact, many companies maximize their profits at the expense of their consumers. Take micro transactions for instance, the research will tell you that these entice people to spend far more money than they traditionally would on a game, and rather than keeping niche video game publishers afloat, just make huge companies like EA and Blizzard even richer.

ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Oct 8, 2019

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