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VerdantSquire posted:Yeah, gently caress you if you feel slightly uncomfortable with justifying the racial prejudices of the mass murdering mad man! He's laughing because the idea that people actually think playing as Germany in a war oriented map game means "justifying the racial prejudices of the mass murdering mad man" is absurd.
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Oct 17, 2015 04:28
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If you're not a horrific monster that will be remembered as one of the worst people in history by the end of a game of Crusader Kings, Victoria, or Europa Universalis you are playing the game objectively wrong.
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Oct 17, 2015 04:33
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I've seen WW2 grognard Naziphiles say the same things about Hitler while fervently praying at their shrine to Rommel. Does anyone ever actually play as the US in Vicky 2?
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Oct 17, 2015 04:35
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Every time I culture flipped a province in EU3 I shed a tear
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Oct 17, 2015 04:47
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:When I play as Germany in HOI I just disband every military division and allow glorious communism to be brought to Berlin. My conscience and education will only allow me to play video games through the lens of the proletariat. Same but as Japan because communism needs anime
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Oct 17, 2015 14:02
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RabidWeasel posted:(again SMAC was the best ever for this, even if it was hard to be 100% peaceful you could definitely play with an aim towards being more or less objectively good for the future of humanity, and without having to do anything awful) All the factions in Alpha Centauri were ruled by horrible ideologues that went way too far and that was the point.
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Oct 20, 2015 01:11
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I can't recommend SOTS 1 enough for people that actually want good, combat oriented ship design. Just don't touch the sequel.Dibujante posted:It made it a lot easier to distinguish them, since they didn't have, say, historical context that you could use to do so. SMAC had to be over-the-top to combat the featurelessness that happens to fantasy settings. Well, crappy fantasy settings. Which videogame settings tend to be. The crazy ideologies was kind of part of the appeal for me though Tomn posted:Lal was OK, if ineffectual. He tended to go full world police in game and did some really shady stuff with cloning in the backstory. I think it says a lot about the other less obviously "evil" factions (so anyone that's not the Believers or the Human Hive)that the Peacekeepers tend to look like the best of the lot.
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Oct 20, 2015 01:25
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Panzeh posted:They all struck me as dumb caricatures, honestly, but then i'm not as infatuated with the writing as other people. They were dumb caricatures, purposefully so. I liked it but I can see why other people wouldn't. It's pretty over the top. It's sort of like the political equivalent of the Warhammer 40k setting. In the grim darkness of the 22nd century, there are only shrill cardboard ideologues.
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Oct 20, 2015 11:30
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Some of the quotes were good, like the Network Node one. Or the recycling tanks one with Chairman Yang's soothing, Mr. Sulu-esque voice.
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Oct 20, 2015 11:48
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StashAugustine posted:smac was a pretty dreadful game tho It was Civ 2 in space with some new mechanics sprinkled in.
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Oct 21, 2015 04:57
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ThisIsNoZaku posted:Yes, exactly. This is hosed up.
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Oct 21, 2015 06:25
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Tahirovic posted:And compared to Civ 2 with expansions it was about as bad as the new Space Civ5. I am not sure why people bring it up so much as one of the better strategy games. The concept was more of a novelty at the time probably. I'm sure nostalgia plays a role. I wouldn't go as far as what you're saying though.
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Oct 21, 2015 13:02
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Master of Magic is beautiful but the ancient braindead AI ruins it. Not that some modern strategy games are much better. Honestly I'd imagine anyone playing Civ 2 at this point for the first time would probably also find it dated and crappy. Civ 4 was the best Civ, i think.
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Oct 21, 2015 13:40
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:And Fall From Heaven, which makes it one of the best fantasy 4xs as well. I'm still amazed a modder made something nearly on par with Master of Magic and Age of Wonders.
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Oct 21, 2015 16:28
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Elias_Maluco posted:I guess its really a challenge to make a strategy game with such complex mechanics and have an AI that knows how to play it. Yeah there's just too many options and combos for MoM for an AI to be good at it. Dominions has the same problem.
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Oct 21, 2015 16:43
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Panzeh posted:Honestly, 4x games should probably not give the option to players to make dumb games, because they inevitably whine when the game isn't great that way. Please do not develop any games.
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Oct 22, 2015 08:11
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Maybe it wouldn't be if you offered the proper sacrifices to Jupiter.
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Oct 22, 2015 08:42
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GSD posted:Hellenism confirmed for EU4. I still want Rome 2. Only with less focus on Rome because at that game's start date Rome is just a regional power and the Diadochi are cooler and more interesting. Also the map should extend to India, seriously. EU: Rome's map was tiny and had almost nothing on it.
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Oct 22, 2015 09:00
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I say let the stupid players be stupid because they will buy your game anyway rather than punish people that aren't stupid by taking away options they may want to use for some crazy gimmick game or mod or something.
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Oct 22, 2015 11:42
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Saying a game should not always be hardlocked to 10-20 systems per player is a bit different from "more options is ALWAYS better".
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Oct 22, 2015 13:03
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All the more reason to do an antiquity game where ships couldn't carry that many troops, were mostly for supply, and rarely if ever sailed out of sight of the coast.
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Oct 22, 2015 13:31
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ArchangeI posted:There was a DD early on where Ethiopia managed to do a naval invasion of Italy. It caused some consternation because a) the AI wasn't supposed to be able to do naval invasions yet and b) Ethiopia doesn't have a fleet Just when you thought Mussolini couldn't gently caress up in Africa any harder.
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Oct 22, 2015 15:00
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Scale can be its own reward. Not a grand strategy, but I've never done everything in Morrowind. Just the idea that there's still frontiers there adds to the experience, though. Yes, that's irrational. But so what? Humans are irrational. It's inescapable. Might as well accept that when designing a game.
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Oct 22, 2015 19:35
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Pimpmust posted:I think the greatest AI researches have gotten up to is like a massive super computer trying to simulate/machine-learn the brain with the power of a... rat? I don't think you can really quantify a rat's "brain power" in computing terms in this way.
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Oct 22, 2015 20:30
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Vicky 2 is extremely cool and good.
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Oct 22, 2015 21:27
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VerdantSquire posted:If you only have to take 2 things away from Vicky 2, they should be: I actually like the economy simulation and would be perfectly happy for Vicky 3 to have the same thing just with better data presented to the player and fixed Capitalist AI.
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Oct 22, 2015 22:13
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Mans posted:Kinda weird just how much people think post Alexander classical history is "and then Rome exploded all over the Mediterranean" and all the interesting Punic, Sucessor states, Parthian\pseudo Persian and Indian interactions are footnotes until they're mentioned in a famous battle where they get their faces shoved in by the Romans. It pisses me off. Eumenes vs. Antigonus is the best military campaign no one has heard of. Don't even get me started on weird poo poo like the Indo-Greek kingdom.
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Oct 22, 2015 23:45
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The only thing dumb about Vicky 2's market besides the capitalist AI is the weird high prestige first come first serve thing.
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Oct 23, 2015 09:18
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Disco Infiva posted:I remember once seeing a screenshot of two people signing up to be slaves. Don't kinkshame.
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Oct 23, 2015 09:47
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Even as bad as the capitalist AI is, laissez-faire gets an undeserved bad rap in Vicky 2. The game seems built around the historical European trend of top down industrialization rather than the American one, which means you want interventionist or state capitalist parties at the start to build your economy and get everything running. Thing is, once it's already going good, you actually can just set it to laissez-faire and the capitalists have enough money to play with that their bonuses outweigh their lovely decisions and they'll just grow your economy for you while you don't have to do much of anything.
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Oct 23, 2015 11:27
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Tomn posted:Yeah, LF is terrible for a growing economy but once you got the basics set up I've never really had the free market bite me in the rear end, and it's nice not having to micromanage each and every factory in every state. It's also gets such a nasty reputation I think in part because a lot of the early available parties are laissez faire and new players tend to want to industrialize ASAP not realizing it's perfectly fine to just sit on your RGO income and tech up for awhile. Building factories as soon as they're available is usually a bad idea, actually, and will just tank your income to no purpose.
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Oct 23, 2015 12:44
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You guys are making me want to play Victoria again and I still haven't finished the Witcher 3 expansion.
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Oct 23, 2015 13:03
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I don't think war is really the point of Victoria. It sucks at simulating WW1. It's way more of a colonialism and industrialization game and any sequel should focus more on those.A Buttery Pastry posted:The swastika is no more Indian than it is European. It's broadly Indo-European yeah. Can be found from Iberia to the Ganges.
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Oct 25, 2015 16:27
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Back To 99 posted:they should combine vic 2 pops with ck/rome dna and breeding And use this in Rome 2.
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Oct 26, 2015 18:06
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Or maybe education is just more efficient in the An Cap utopia and there's memory downloads and crap for accelerated learning so you're actually ready to do your own work in your field before the age of 50.
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Oct 26, 2015 19:51
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Which is pretty funny, since the only reason there are white Italians today is because of the Germanic invasions that ended the Roman Empire. I can't tell if this is being ironic or not.
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Oct 26, 2015 21:37
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Gonna play Cyberpunk Space Japan after my bewildering and incomprehensible eusocial insect an-cap empire.
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Oct 26, 2015 22:08
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Edit: I'm pretty sure there's a pithy saying about this kind of thing about taking an extreme position on the internet for comedic purposesAdjectiveNoun posted:You're a little wrong; white people have been in Italy since before the Roman Empire began, and Romanized Germanics were common in Rome since like 250 AD, since they were considered more trustworthy soldiers/generals than Italians or Illyrians - less likely to just take a legion and try to start a coup. Trying to be non-racist by ironically looping back to the neo-fascist standpoint of "Only Germanic peoples are REALLY 'white'" is dumb. Chief Savage Man posted:Why do you want to play the same game twice? Touche.
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Oct 26, 2015 23:21
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I just want Paradox to do Rome 2 so I can see people shitpost on their forums about Seleukos Nikator's miscegenation and how Persians can never be true Hellenes.
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