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http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/gizmondotm-unveils-89-knockout-games-for-2005-catalogue-155186045.htmlquote:LONDON, April 5 /PRNewswire/ -- None of this makes any sense anymore. More info on Carl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Freer quote:Freer founded Tiger Telematics, an electronics company that launched in 2002, raised over £160 million, and dissolved in 2006. Star Citizen founded in 2012, "delivering in 2016". Coincidence? no_recall fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:That's actually a pretty fun connection to draw. I agree that DSmart should probably get to work on his existing legal action or get something more concrete before starting to hint around about something involving the Swedish Mafia  for journalists, Derek Smart, et al. and I wouldn't do it if I were them.
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no_recall posted:http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/gizmondotm-unveils-89-knockout-games-for-2005-catalogue-155186045.html It makes sense to me, they have people who were heading up failed video game console Gizmondo working on a god damned multi million dollar MMO. Ouya was a success compared to it. It's not like we needed any more reasons to doubt this whole thing, but wow. Sushi in Yiddish posted:If you want to hear the words "sticky balls" and "momma can I mow the lawn" this is the video for it. Holy poo poo I forgot about "Momma Can I Mow The Lawn?" 
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Mercury_Storm posted:It makes sense to me, they have people who were heading up failed video game console Gizmondo working on a god damned multi million dollar MMO. Ouya was a success compared to it. The only thing this tells me is that Wingman didn't want to get involved in this poo poo again and walked away. I'm probably giving him too much credit, but it seems to me that he just wants to make games, not get in scams.
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no_recall posted:http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/gizmondotm-unveils-89-knockout-games-for-2005-catalogue-155186045.html You want something even funnier? The Virtual Poker company was dissolved in February of 2008, probably used to release various casino games on the Gizmondo. Here's an article from around that time: quote:Here is a translated version of Hans Sandberg's second interview with Carl Freer. The Swedish version of the article was published by the business news site Realtid.se on February 18, 2008. Gizmondo folded in December of that year.
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When I saw the faithful counting down to the start of the Con and then saw the timer jank out while they delayed the beginning 40 minutes, I would never have guessed that this video game I thought had awful development and had suckered idiots into supporting was actually an elaborate money laundering scheme by the Swedish mob.
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Dapper Dan posted:You want something even funnier? The Virtual Poker company was dissolved in February of 2008, probably used to release various casino games on the Gizmondo. Here's an article from around that time:
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Mercury_Storm posted:Holy poo poo I forgot about "Momma Can I Mow The Lawn?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mDgSg4hH60
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no_recall posted:We've been played. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYrh5h9acg8 Omi-Polari posted:Fun fact: Mikael Ljungman went to prison in Denmark in 2009 for a heaping load of various financial crimes. Hahaha, holy poo poo.
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What the gently caress are you guys talking about? How did we jump from "these guys are incompetent game devs" to "these guys are running a money laundering scheme for mobsters"? What the gently caress is a Gizmondo?
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Unfunny Poster posted:What the gently caress are you guys talking about? How did we jump from "these guys are incompetent game devs" to "these guys are running a money laundering scheme for mobsters"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7HxmtODvhw Derek Smart posted an ARG to join the dots.
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Unfunny Poster posted:What the gently caress are you guys talking about? How did we jump from "these guys are incompetent game devs" to "these guys are running a money laundering scheme for mobsters"? Who knows, but it's funny.
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Unfunny Poster posted:What the gently caress are you guys talking about? How did we jump from "these guys are incompetent game devs" to "these guys are running a money laundering scheme for mobsters"? Several current employees of CIG and their motion capture studio used to work for Warthog studios, which was acquired by Gizmondo. Gizmondo was a front for a money laundering Swedish Gangster. Swedish Gangster Fat Steve (not joking) purchased the company in 2001 with his business partner Mikael Ljungman. Simon Paul Elms is a Director of CIG's motion capture studio in Manchester. He used to be a financial director for Gizmondo since its inception. He also opened a company called Virtual Poker Limited than ran briefly during his tenure from Gizmondo, from 2006 to February 2008. Gizmondo was set to be re-released in the second half of 2008. Virtual Poker Limited was quietly dissolved in February while Gizmondo went bankrupt that December amid stories it was 'definitely' coming out. Why is this relevant? Warthog games were slated to release several Gizmondo casino games that were obviously never going to come out and the company was dissolved before this was known to the public. In 2009, Mikael Ljungman, a co-founder of Gizmondo, went to jail for financial crimes. Carl Freer, the Swedish Tech guy was going to relaunch Gizmondo, was being investigated by the FBI on RICO charges. Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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Dapper Dan posted:Several current employees of CIG and their motion capture studio used to work for Warthog studios, which was acquired by Gizmondo. Gizmondo was a front for a money laundering Swedish Gangster. Simon Paul Elms is a Director of CIG's motion capture studio in Manchester. He used to be a financial director for Gizmondo since its inception. He also opened a company called Virtual Poker Limited than ran briefly during his tenure from Gizmondo, from 2006 to February 2008. Gizmondo was set to be re-released in the second half of 2008. Virtual Poker Limited was quietly dissolved in February while Gizmondo went bankrupt that December amid stories it was 'definitely' coming out. Why is this relevant? Warthog games were slated to release several Gizmondo casino games that were obviously never going to come out and the company was dissolved before this was known to the public. In 2009, Mikael Ljungman, a co-founder of Gizmondo, went to jail for financial crimes. Carl Freer, the Swedish Tech guy was going to relaunch Gizmondo, was being investigated by the FBI on RICO charges. Conclusion: Star Citizen is a money laundering front for Mobsters using public money. Derek Smart, did we win?
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Unfunny Poster posted:What the gently caress is a Gizmondo? http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/14.10/gizmondo.html quote:IN THE DAYS FOLLOWING the crash, gearheads were aghast. The wreck had "destroyed one of the finest cars on earth, maybe the finest," Chris Banning, vice president of the national board of the Ferrari Owners Club, told the Los Angeles Times. "It's like taking a van Gogh painting and burning it." Ferrari manufactured a mere 400 of the gull-winged vehicles, incorporating its Formula One racing technology into a V-12 engine capable of going from 0 to 62 mph in 3.7 seconds and reaching a top speed of 217 mph. Originally priced at around $650,000 and sold only to previous Ferrari owners, the car's resale value had risen to roughly $1.2 million. "I would rank it as probably the most incredible exotic-car crash in history," says Gregg Carlson, who runs WreckedExotics.com, a Web site devoted to accidents involving expensive automobiles, which had begun posting daily updates about the crash. A video game console and also a crashed, then abandoned Ferrari. Which will dovetail perfectly with the story of Star Citizen.
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no_recall posted:Conclusion: Star Citizen is a money laundering front for Mobsters using public money. Derek Smart, did we win? I think the big problem with that theory is that CIG is burning money at an alarming rate. Mobsters frown even more about their money being lost than Kickstarter backers, which makes it highly unlikely that they will give it to CRoberts of all people.
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GaussianCopula posted:I think the big problem with that theory is that CIG is burning money at an alarming rate. Mobsters frown even more about their money being lost than Kickstarter backers, which makes it highly unlikely that they will give it to CRoberts of all people. Assuming the money is going to development, and not getting quietly redistributed between a dozen shell corporations
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GaussianCopula posted:I think the big problem with that theory is that CIG is burning money at an alarming rate. Mobsters frown even more about their money being lost than Kickstarter backers, which makes it highly unlikely that they will give it to CRoberts of all people. Its just a fun little thing. Also, if it is money laundering, they only need to convert the cash into physical assets that will hold their value for a long (preferably indefinite) period of time. This is why antiques trades in countries are so huge for money laundering, they only appreciate in value. Or move the cash around to so many corporations and shell corporations that it will be a long time before anyone finds it. The point is the money is not actually being spent on the money laundering operation, just a nominal amount to keep it going and a fee for the people doing it. However, if you are actually spending the money you are supposed to be laundering on yourself, that's pretty much how you end up loving dead. Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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Don't forget that if the 6m pounds in tax credits that DS suggested are real then they had over $45m USD in expenses in one financial year 2013-2014.
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GaussianCopula posted:I think the big problem with that theory is that CIG is burning money at an alarming rate. Mobsters frown even more about their money being lost than Kickstarter backers, which makes it highly unlikely that they will give it to CRoberts of all people. They could be paying companies owned by mobsters for overcharged "services". Hence burning money at an alarming rate, which doesn't ring any alarm bells.
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Devian666 posted:Don't forget that if the 6m pounds in tax credits that DS suggested are real then they had over $45m USD in expenses in one financial year 2013-2014. Just keep in mind, I don't think they are actually laundering money at all (that would be hilarious, though. Please make it true). Its just a fun little thought experiment that's all hearsay. But the amount of people that formerly worked for an obvious criminal enterprise now employed by CIG is actually kind of funny.
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Devian666 posted:Don't forget that if the 6m pounds in tax credits that DS suggested are real then they had over $45m USD in expenses in one financial year 2013-2014. That would be the Hollywood crew, right?
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bullet3 posted:Assuming the money is going to development, and not getting quietly redistributed between a dozen shell corporations Yeah, I think that is an interesting part of it. Lots of the budget estimates here are looking at the 20,000 dollar coffee machines, but what if for example that coffee machine was bought from a company conveniently owned by one of the people running the company, etc. no_recall posted:They could be paying companies owned by mobsters for overcharged "services". Hence burning money at an alarming rate, which doesn't ring any alarm bells. Hey, it's still Columbo's Day for a few more minutes.
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Dapper Dan posted:Just keep in mind, I don't think they are actually laundering money at all (that would be hilarious, though. Please make it true). Its just a fun little thought experiment that's all hearsay. But the amount of people that formerly worked for an obvious criminal enterprise now employed by CIG is kind of funny. Its an ARG, and its brilliant.
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bullet3 posted:Assuming the money is going to development, and not getting quietly redistributed between a dozen shell corporations The mafia must be pissed as hell to have to be issuing refunds through intermediary outfits like Ortwin's personal paypal account. They have to run one of those counting machines in reverse, dig up and cut open a tape-wrapped bundle of bills. No wonder that goon cant get his 1,000$ refund after weeks of asking. But this really explains why that initial investor goon is terrified of having any legal representative ask to have a look at the books and is only dealt with by way of crude threats.
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Unfunny Poster posted:What the gently caress are you guys talking about? How did we jump from "these guys are incompetent game devs" to "these guys are running a money laundering scheme for mobsters"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmn9asN-8AE
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Demiurge4 posted:That would be the Hollywood crew, right? Hookers and blow are both expenses.
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The red alerts are going off because all this involves the motion capture studio in Manchester, which is making those inexplicable Gary Oldman videos that don't have anything to do with an actual game. Because there is no game. There never was a game. Anyways I want to know more about the racehorse angle. Anonymous horseracing gambler tipped Smart off about the motion capture studio's mob ties. The ex-Gizmondo guy named his racehorse Gizmondo. There's also a racehorse in the UK named ... guess what? Star Citizen. https://gg.co.uk/racing/form-profile-2072185   Justin Tyme posted:god bless derek smart
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Devian666 posted:Hookers and blow are both expenses. It doesn't really seem to fit though. If the whole point of Star Citizen is to launder money and get a cash out, why would Croberts spend so much of that potential gangster money on Hollywood actors?
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Omi-Polari posted:The red alerts are going off because all this involves the motion capture studio in Manchester, which is making those inexplicable Gary Oldman videos that don't have anything to do with an actual game. poo poo, that horse is 3 years old. They weren't singing Happy Birthday to the game after all!
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Demiurge4 posted:It doesn't really seem to fit though. If the whole point of Star Citizen is to launder money and get a cash out, why would Croberts spend so much of that potential gangster money on Hollywood actors? If they are laundering money it's easier to conceal transactions within legitimate expenses. If those expenses are large they're easier to conceal.
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