Star Citizen: Fear, Uncertainty, and Debt

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The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

So I started following all of the drama recently, and I want to ask something about the intended scope of the game. Was the FPS/ ship boarding stuff part of the original kickstarter? Like did they originally pitch Eve, with a huge persistent world. And with dogfighting like this is world war 1, and the best weapon isnt a railgun launched past detection distance. And with important and interesting ai factions that can intelligently react to changing landscape created by user. And with the ability to walk around your huge ships and have your friends help you pilot the monstrosities. And also have other people be able to board your (huge) ship and then fight in a huge area that works well for an FPS, with interesting level design and poo poo. And to be able to track all of this poo poo, with poo poo like this happening constantly, in a single instance without sharding the player base into lots of small isolated servers?

Did they promise to do the things I laid out for 500k?

Because honestly, 100M sounds like a tiny budget to do all of that well

# ¿ Oct 2, 2015 05:14

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 19:44

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

3 posted:

The game as pitched in the original campaign and KS was basically Freelancer 2: The Lancening; a single player campaign in the form of Squadron 42 and an online semi-persistent online component. Once they exceeded their original funding goal and figured out they could basically trade promises for cash, the project went off the rails in a profound way as CRoberts kept pitching newer and increasingly absurd "features" to rake in that sweet nerd money.

Ok, so can someone explain to me the original, day 0, kickstarter pitch? Because even looking at the page now, there looks like tons added poo poo. What was the core gameplay of it, for someone who never played Freelancer?

# ¿ Oct 2, 2015 05:22

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Agrajag posted:

lol what they have subscriptions for this non-game? what in the christ?

What exactly are they subscribing for? is SC meant to be a MMO like EVE or was it meant to be like Elite Dangerous with an online component for pvp matches?

Didn't their kickstarter say no subscriptions and no pay to win :laugh:

# ¿ Oct 3, 2015 18:22

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Wafflz posted:

http://dereksmart3000ad.tumblr.com/post/130555592609/the-star-citizen-conspiracy

I feel like I just read timecube

# ¿ Oct 5, 2015 17:43

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Everyone post your favorite promised Star Citizen features (aside from it existing):

- the entire concept of an information courier
- cargo actually being modeled and simulated down to the individual item

The ability to do stealth ops poo poo of secretly boarding an enemy ship with a bunch of friends and killing everyone inside before they react and stealing their ship

Like, holy poo poo, that alone sounds like 100 million dollar game

# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 17:23

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

So what kind of dumb stuff did I miss while the forums were down and we were spared 300 posts on the merits of various coffee makers?

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 03:10

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

D_Smart posted:

Star Marine CitCon trailer is live! Same poo poo from GAMESCOM pretty much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_SL4Mb5Yhc

Nice early 360 game you got there, so where is the link to the real trailer :rolleyes:

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 05:18

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

kordansk posted:

I've seen better demos on the UE4 forums of kids trying to recruit people to make the next great game where they get paid in royalties after the game is released....

I've made better looking UE3 games

I also like their response of it being something put together for fun by the QA team. So the big video to get people hyped up for the convention was thrown together by people who should have been testing it? Or was it assembled out of bug report videos? And that if they hadn't made this, your marketing team would have not put anything out? And that this looked good enough that your marketing department said this is a good representation of our game?

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 06:00

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Synchronized posted:

I dunno, I might cash out. I've been considering it, I'll watch for a bit longer I guess. I just meant to say that if I do lose it, its okay. I would never put money into an unmade spaceship game that I wasn't willing to see disappear. Of course there are guys that have put in 50K+, for what purpose, I don't know. If they can afford it whatever, I guess.

I can't imagine what's going on in the heads of people that put money beyond what they're willing to lose into it though. Some of the guys who I've spoken to who have actually borrowed to put money in or other such nonsense especially.

Your better off taking that 10k and burning it, atleast it'll keep your house warm this winter

And just because there are bigger idiots with more wasted money doesnt mean you made a good decision

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 07:38

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Justin Tyme posted:

I can't believe they have the nerve to say that what they showed is the first iteration of FPS. When they demoed the FPS on publicly playable machines earlier this year. What happened to that?

What goons who have networking/UE4 knowledge want to pool our talents together to make a VERY basic proof-of-concept UE4 game that uses a commercially available MMO netcode (the name escapes me but there are a few that are pre-built for UE4 integration) combined with a local physics grid to make a game that:

1. Is first person, with weapons you can shoot
2. Has hollow cubes that have their own local physics grid you can walk around inside as they orient in whatever direction
3. Said cubes have chairs you can sit in and use to steer the cube
4. Can run with a large number of clients simultaneously (using the MMO netcode)

I'm pretty confident this can be accomplished in at least a month's time. Granted there are larger issues like 64-bit conversion (UE4 uses level streaming for large worlds, but this doesn't work for multiplayer games) but the barebone system for how the game should function, when you break it down, is within reach.

I like how this post goes from funny to nutso and back

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 07:40

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

I'm loving derek Smart's rap album he has on stream

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 18:13

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

"i disabled that"

"do i need a headset?"

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 18:15

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

I want D Smarts condo

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 18:28

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Cuntpunch posted:

Repost in chat if you're down.

I would play Sim Tower in Space

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:19

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Is Gary Oldman doing his Bane imitation?

God, I hope he got paid in advance

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:45

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Holy poo poo, they literally spent 10s of millions of dollars on this loving cast

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:47

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Jesus christ, that cast had to have cost 10s of millions of dollars

Those people aren't loving cheap

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:47

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Your face tech looked like poo poo

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:48

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Also, why loving run this in engine? That is the whole advantage of a cutscene

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:49

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Wait, "recent upgrades" allow it to run on the GPU

Is this suddenly 2007?

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:53

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Sillybones posted:

Why was none of the tech they are describing visible in the actual cutscene?

Too expensive to run in real time

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:54

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

And it will since it is the only thing that "works"

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:56

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

We've feature creeped into a new game, gently caress you original backers

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:57

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Optional side missions, how groudbreaking :rolleye:

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:58

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

10 hour of this poo poo, with big name actors looking for boat checks

20+ million dollars

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 21:59

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Even the loving story is feature creeping

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:00

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Like double the time on mocap stuff than gameplay, and thats being generous

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:03

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

"WOAH!!!!"

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:04

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

"A bit of a George Lucas"

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:04

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

The loving tome of a script

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:07

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Oh sorry, you wanted gameplay, here is more loving cut scenes

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:09

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

"A few performance issues"

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:09

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Jack's Flow posted:

And now I understand where all the money went. 10 hours with big name Hollywood actors will drain your little Kickstarter purse real quick.

This is a nightmare in motion.

Not just 10 hours

10 hours of output, accepted footage

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:11

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

So, that other one was pre-rendered, here is some real poo poo

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:11

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Holy poo poo, this is gonna look so bad with how long is pre justifying it

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:12

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Yes, these faces definitly look like what we saw in that other cut scene

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:15

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

I will say that the lighting does actually look decent

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:16

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Nice teeth

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:17

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

WastedJoker posted:

Anything that doesn't move looks nice. Soon as they animate it though....

Yeah, its pretty obviously prebaked, but still takes a good artist

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:18

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 19:44

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

I'm the vastly different art styles as they walk around

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 22:20

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