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Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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who the gently caress decided it was clever to add "total" on their pie chart.

Also Tyler Vigen's spurious correlation is the best website.

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Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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"huh that looks OK, axes are labeled and everything and.. Oh wait "

Have these people never seen a graph?

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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These ones make me so mad because it's so clear they chose those lovely representation so that it suits their bias. It's one thing to be inept at graphs, it's another to be malicious.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Twerkteam Pizza posted:

Do you have a PhD in dance or am I just not getting how insane that is

You know, now that he said that and I looked at it a little more it does make sense. But since it's a 3D graph on a 2D medium it remains kinda confusing to the brain.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Yeah that's what I got from it too. It classifies movement types along those 3 axes.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Yeah that one was posted before in here and makes me hella mad to

E: Though this one is actually worse : it's not just a very disingenuous way of presenting the data, it's plain old wrong and fudging the representation.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Holy poo poo that was published? That must have been part of a bigger thing right? There is some graph just beside that one where that scale makes sense right?

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Dickensian Aspect posted:

You see this kind of thing all the time; there's almost certainly another panel next to it using the same scale that does have some action. It could actually be more misleading, in that context, to use a more zoomed in Y axis for this panel.

Yeah that's what I meant with "being part of a bigger figure". Presented like this on its own it's pretty drat bad.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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"Vague" is the keyword about this graph.

Those aren't even axes...

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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cmndstab posted:

That doesn't seem so bad to me, but I do have to wonder why literally every answer is "global warming is probably bullshit".

But those totals don't add up to anything consistent and the point he wanted to make would gave been better served by having 3 bars/question instead of stacking and scaling them which suggests the total of the 3 fractions adds up to a consistent value.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Wow is that a pie *and* bar chart at once?

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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But... Doesn't that legend imply that one axis is distance route sun in kirkwood gaps and the other axis is jovian resonance? This is not at all what the graph is.

I don't even know what the y is on there.

He might have wanted to show how resonance decreases as distance increases but ooh boy did he fail if that's what he wanted to do.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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ducttape posted:

The blue line is the distance from the sun, axis on the right

The red line is which orbital resonance it is, axis on the left

Example:
The third pair of dots occurs with the red dot at 3,5 and the blue dot is around 2,3. Thus, a 3,5:1 orbital resonance with Jupiter (or a 7:2 orbital resonance) is around 2,3 AU

These really should have plotted in XY, but it is saying something legible.

What loving way of plotting things is that?

You'd think someone with that background in science should know he should have used a loving xy graph. Like the simplest graph in the book.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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That right axis

Oops new page.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Haha yeah that's just like some people who measure height in feet or weight in stones!

More seriously, I love dumb units and the astronomical unit is pretty great in its arbitrariness.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Nice

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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a superfluous representation that is also wrong. Nice.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Yeah Fahrenheit are a shameful unit,

E: It's great because I have no clue if this is supposed to prove or disprove climate change.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Oh so it's that kind of site? I guess they blew up the scale to try and prove the point that temperatures did not change drastically in that case? Which would be more on the dishonest than the disingenuous side then.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Judge Schnoopy posted:

From one of the twitter comments:

"there are two types of countries, ones that use metric, and ones that have been to the moon."

Tell that to the poor Mars Probe that fell victim to the evil of clinging to an old unit system.

quote:

However, on September 23, 1999, communication with the spacecraft was lost as the spacecraft went into orbital insertion, due to ground-based computer software which produced output in non-SIunits of pound-seconds (lbf s) instead of the metric units of newton-seconds (N s) specified in the contract between NASA and Lockheed. The spacecraft encountered Mars on a trajectory that brought it too close to the planet, causing it to pass through the upper atmosphere and disintegrate.



I just never understood why people are so adamant about keeping feet and inches with all their weird idiosyncrasies instead of transitioning to metres like almost all of the rest of the world. Hell even England is transitioning.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Yeah, welcome to the world of double digit penis length for almost every one. Glorious cock socialism.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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How can you be this bad at understanding how a stacked graph works.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Carbon dioxide posted:

In the Netherlands, in old-timey grocery stores, you can buy stuff in pounds and ounces. Of course, a pound is exactly 500 grams and an ounce is exactly 100 grams.

Yeah my German grandma also sometimes talks in pounds and stuff but in that case too they just correspond to a round number of grams. Probably also 500 g for a "Pfund".

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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AlphaKretin posted:

This has to be fake. Come on. Please.

That one is so beautiful.

I like the book one because it's a nice reflection of the Fox news curve about unemployment where they also gently caress with the scale to exaggerate the effect.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Oooh Yeah that makes more sense.

Also at the tsa/doctor/hooker one even though it doesn't seem to belong in this thread since it's totally correct.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Coohoolin posted:



lol alright ally, gently caress off.

Wow, at first I thought they just distended the scale to only show the upper end but they just made up the bar heights.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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There is no Y-axis, so how do you know it's truncated though ? Clearly they just didn't make bar heights that are proportional to the actual value.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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kalstrams posted:

Abscissa here is the time, and ordinate - the sales.

I meant a labeled, drawn axis. Not just having something in y. Since there is no scale or anything who's to say it's been cut off.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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kalstrams posted:

I see what you mean now, rereading. I'll agree here, I struggle to find enough evidence to say that Y-axis is or may have been truncated, unless this goes down the rabbit hole deep enough to declare three separate Y-axes, with those corresponding to blue seasons being truncated. Hell, even then truncation is not exactly what's happening here, it's a scaling issue.

Yes, you're pretty much restating the point I was trying to make.

Also...

Godammit not another one of those. I really wonder how you can gently caress this up that badly without it being intentional. Ate they using loving log scales or what.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Judge Schnoopy posted:

Weighted by personal opinion of the producer

I always try to accord the benefit of the doubt because I am naive and also come on, this is bullshit. But yeah I struggle to find any other explanation.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Waiiiiit. I just read on the BBC that apparently in 5 precincts the vote was decided by a coin toss and all of them went to hillary.

are you guys even doing over there.

E:

quote:



A total of 484 eligible caucus attendees were initially recorded at the site. But when each candidate’s preference group was counted, Clinton had 240 supporters, Sanders had 179 and Martin O’Malley had five (causing him to be declared non-viable).

Those figures add up to just 424 participants, leaving 60 apparently missing. When those numbers were plugged into the formula that determines delegate allocations, Clinton received four delegates and Sanders received three — leaving one delegate unassigned.

Unable to account for that numerical discrepancy and the orphan delegate it produced, the Sanders campaign challenged the results and precinct leaders called a Democratic Party hot line set up to advise on such situations.

Party officials recommended they settle the dispute with a coin toss.

A Clinton supporter correctly called “heads” on a quarter flipped in the air, and Clinton received a fifth delegate.

Similar situations were reported elsewhere, including at a precinct in Des Moines, atanother precinct in Des Moines, in Newton, in West Branch  and in Davenport. In all five situations, Clinton won the toss.

Hahaha

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Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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0% understanding of pie charts. As well as most math in general I guess. Holy poo poo.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Students are hilariously weird some times. Couple days ago one asked me if when the protocol said "dilute the plasma 20 times" he really had to do it 20 times in a row. I really should have just said yes.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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scale

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Paladinus posted:

believe in telegony.

Hahaha hahahahahaha, amazing.

Do they believe all women are actually spiders with spermathecas?

Ooh boy just imagine the sperm jacking potential of such a spider woman!

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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Or you could just not buy any food or drinks at the highway robbery prices you're talking about ?

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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I guess the idea is to say that of you pick randomly you have either a 50, a 25 or a 25% chance of being right (depending on what the actual answer is). Thus if you average it out you get 33%?

I dunno I didn't do probability math in ages and something feels off about my answer

E: I guess another way of seeing it would be that the probability of getting it right is the sum of the probability of it being the right answer times the probability of picking this answer.

If we assume that all 3 possible answers are equiprobable, we end up with

P=.33x.5+.33x.25+.33x25=.33x(.5+.25+.25)=.33x1 so 33%

E2: I just realised my assumption that the answers are equiprobable is actually dumb and wrong in this context, nvm.

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Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

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What? Is it that uncommon of a thing

You can just clap your fingers against the palm of the same hand.

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