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david carmichael posted:DJ was still extremely good when he fought cruz He still worked at a warehouse, though.
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Nov 3, 2015 19:14
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attackmole posted:fighter's get really offended at analysis in weird ways that other sports don't seem to and it's always kind of embarassing Maybe because it's an individual sport it's taken as a personal insult? Chael admitted to going to a sport psychologist because he kept 'letting' himself get triangled in the 2nd round. You need to be confident, but you also need to be self-critical and accept that you have weaknesses. I like Cruz, but he's been on the shelf for the better part of 4 years and his 'I am better than everyone in this weight class' shtick based on crushing one guy in a tune-up fight is getting old.
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Nov 3, 2015 19:15
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david carmichael posted:DJ was still extremely good when he fought cruz Yeah, I didn't mean to bag on him or anything, it's just that the difference between then and now is night and day. TJ and Cruz will be an extremely good fight.
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Nov 3, 2015 19:22
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Is it night and day? When he fought Cruz he got wrestled by a bigger fighter. Not sure that wouldn't happen again
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Nov 3, 2015 19:28
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attackmole posted:fighters get really offended at analysis in weird ways that other sports don't seem to and it's always kind of embarassing We watch a sport where whose greatest example of self-critique and improvement centered around a man throwing a brick in a river. It's the best. I don't think MMA has distanced itself enough from its insane prizefighting no-one-will-make-money-so-you're-in-this-to-hit-people roots to really have that many sane people yet.
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Nov 3, 2015 19:29
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LobsterMobster posted:He still worked at a warehouse, though. Works for Neil Seery.
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Nov 3, 2015 19:32
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red19fire posted:Maybe because it's an individual sport it's taken as a personal insult? Chael admitted to going to a sport psychologist because he kept 'letting' himself get triangled in the 2nd round. You need to be confident, but you also need to be self-critical and accept that you have weaknesses. I guess it was part of Chael's schtick, but Chael's one of the few fighters who's admitted that they have a chance to lose of fight. I remember it being one of his talking points before the Jones fight. "I don't know what's going to happen, I'm just gonna get in there and fight him." Or something like that. I mean it was promo speak, but it's vaguely honest. All you can do is train your best and hope to swing the odds in your favour. Unless you're Rousey no fight is a lock.
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Nov 3, 2015 19:32
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vainman posted:Is it night and day? When he fought Cruz he got wrestled by a bigger fighter. Not sure that wouldn't happen again
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Nov 3, 2015 19:54
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attackmole posted:I guess it was part of Chael's schtick, but Chael's one of the few fighters who's admitted that they have a chance to lose of fight. I remember it being one of his talking points before the Jones fight. "I don't know what's going to happen, I'm just gonna get in there and fight him." Or something like that. I mean it was promo speak, but it's vaguely honest. All you can do is train your best and hope to swing the odds in your favour. Unless you're Rousey no fight is a lock.
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Nov 3, 2015 20:14
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TheRationalRedditor posted:Poignant reminder that if Chael held out just two more minutes he would've beaten Jones and been LHW Champ That was less a matter of Chael "holding out" so much as the ref deciding to allow Chael to be beaten mercilessly for 30 seconds too long.
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Nov 3, 2015 20:17
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TheRationalRedditor posted:Poignant reminder that if Chael held out just two more minutes he would've beaten Jones and been LHW Champ If he had held out for 30 seconds he could have been the MW champ.
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Nov 3, 2015 20:54
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Mr. Nice! posted:If he had held out for 30 seconds he could have been the MW champ. Chael Sonnen: 3 minutes from being the next Couture/Penn. Let that sink in people.
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Nov 3, 2015 21:01
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attackmole posted:fighters get really offended at analysis in weird ways that other sports don't seem to and it's always kind of embarassing because other sports have meaningful stats that can be used to support an analysis. If a guy doesn't get enough rebounds or not enough completed passes or whatever you can point to those numbers and say he sucks. And every team competes against every other team during the regular season so it's easier to compare performances among athletes. In MMA stats are mostly meaningless and strength of schedule can be totally different. So all you have to go off of is which guy's style do you like more, and when that fails, which guy's personality do you like more.
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Nov 3, 2015 21:09
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Bubba Smith posted:because other sports have meaningful stats that can be used to support an analysis. If a guy doesn't get enough rebounds or not enough completed passes or whatever you can point to those numbers and say he sucks. And every team competes against every other team during the regular season so it's easier to compare performances among athletes. In MMA stats are mostly meaningless and strength of schedule can be totally different. So all you have to go off of is which guy's style do you like more, and when that fails, which guy's personality do you like more. You can perform analysis and make predictions without statistical data. There are many kinds of analysis, not just statistical analysis.
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Nov 3, 2015 21:15
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david carmichael posted:You can perform analysis and make predictions without statistical data. There are many kinds of analysis, not just statistical analysis. Oh yeah of course, I just meant why it's easier for fighters to brush off analysis and get defensive more than athletes in other sports. When athletes from other sports are criticized it's usually because their numbers are bad and they can't hide from them.
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Nov 3, 2015 21:20
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Barao and TJ absolutely are better than anyone Cruz has faced, considering DJ didn't grow into one of the best fighters to ever compete in the sport until he dropped down a weight-class to fight at his natural class. It's weird as all hell to get mad about that. You share the same opinion as Jack Slack so that is why it seems clear cut to you as well. I think it's a lot tighter at the top there with Barao/TJ/Cruz/Faber and the TJ vs Barao fights really skew that perception of competitiveness (Barao's early stoppage win against Urijah doesn't help either). TJ seems to have Barao's number, but that doesn't mean he can walk through Faber or Cruz. Both Cruz and Faber threaten with mixes of striking and wrestling, have great cardio/chins, and are very opportunistic. Faber is generally more forward pressing to create scrambles and Cruz prefers to move laterally and counter mercilessly. Both guys are very different from Barao whom has taken a lot of damage and his weight cut is likely only getting tougher as he ages. I find it weird to knock Cruz for "not beating anyone better than TJ" when TJ hasn't beaten anyone but Barao yet. Cruz has beaten everybody in the time he's been active.
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Nov 3, 2015 21:37
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LobsterMobster posted:Edmond Tarverdyan files for bankruptcy. Claims over $700k in debt and no income. Says with what his wife makes, they lose $110 per month. Says he can't remember the last time he filed a tax return. Remember when someone was like Zuhh why would someone say Tarveryan is a scumbag piece of poo poo, Where's the Evidence? and i was like, hes Armenian, and some people thought that was just a joke lol
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Nov 3, 2015 21:38
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99% of MMA analysis is looking at sherdog fight finder and seeing if Fighter A's last fight was a win or a loss and what year it was
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Nov 3, 2015 21:39
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Tarvedyan like 2 months ago recorded on video: I bet 500k that Ronda would win in the first round, Im rich ftw and i love to buy my friends gold chains Tarvedyan now: uhh I have never made money, I dont know what money is, I dont own a gym and I forgot about taxes or declaring my income for my entire life. my wife makes $100 a year
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Nov 3, 2015 21:41
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Also I do not think Renan Barao is better than Urijah Faber at his prime when Cruz was fighting him. I also would say Joseph Benavidez might be better Renan Barao.
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Nov 3, 2015 21:44
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manyak posted:Tarvedyan like 2 months ago recorded on video: I bet 500k that Ronda would win in the first round, Im rich ftw and i love to buy my friends gold chains https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_44lOzgNMm8&feature=youtu.be&t=6m25s
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Nov 3, 2015 21:45
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Kurohashi posted:Both Cruz and Faber threaten with mixes of striking and wrestling Actually I think one of the biggest knocks against Faber is that he DOESN'T do this. He threatens with striking or he shifts gears and threatens with wrestling, and he's pretty threatening with either, but he never really mixes it up and certainly never with the facility that Cruz does.
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Nov 3, 2015 21:51
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manyak posted:Tarvedyan like 2 months ago recorded on video: I bet 500k that Ronda would win in the first round, Im rich ftw and i love to buy my friends gold chains Lmfao
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Nov 3, 2015 21:53
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Is lying on your bankruptcy forms not a criminal offence in the US? Thats got to be some sort of fraud.
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Nov 3, 2015 21:58
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Le Saboteur posted:Is lying on your bankruptcy forms not a criminal offence in the US? Thats got to be some sort of fraud. Section 7201 of the Internal Revenue Code: “Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.” Yes he can absolutely be jailed for it. However, despite the fact that even the most conservative estimates show that the IRS gets $2 back for every $1 put into it by the government (the range last I looked is $2-8 per with everyone conceding that the IRS absolutely deserves a bigger budget), the IRS had it's budget slashed again this year. They simply don't have the enforcement capability to absolutely slam every fraudster that pops up. He'll have to pay some massive fines for sure if he's been deliberately and criminally hiding income, but he won't necessarily see any jailtime. The IRS will likely settle for the amount they calculate as owed plus whatever penalty they tack on.
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Nov 3, 2015 22:04
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fatherdog posted:Actually I think one of the biggest knocks against Faber is that he DOESN'T do this. He threatens with striking or he shifts gears and threatens with wrestling, and he's pretty threatening with either, but he never really mixes it up and certainly never with the facility that Cruz does. He doesn't mix it up as well as Cruz does, that's pretty clear. His striking, while occasionally effective, isn't exactly threatening. His last TKO was in '06, and while he has hurt people once in a while (honestly, I can't even recall the last person he hurt with strikes), his bread and butter has always been scrambles and submissions.
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Nov 3, 2015 22:10
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Remember how like a week ago Ronda's mum said this guy was a loser who lucked out by Ronda walking into his gym and being too stubborn to leave when he proceeded to completely ignore her. Remember how some people said this was just sourness on Ronda's mum. Remember Atom?
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Nov 3, 2015 22:19
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Maybe Rhonda's mom is also piece of poo poo who's complaint was not that he was about to go bankrupt, iirc.
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Nov 3, 2015 22:22
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Chain_of_Dogs posted:He doesn't mix it up as well as Cruz does, that's pretty clear. His striking, while occasionally effective, isn't exactly threatening. His last TKO was in '06, and while he has hurt people once in a while (honestly, I can't even recall the last person he hurt with strikes), his bread and butter has always been scrambles and submissions. He hurt McDonald on the feet before subbing him.
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Nov 3, 2015 22:25
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If her mom hates him so much why doesn't she just marry him
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Work Friend Keven posted:Maybe Rhonda's mom is also piece of poo poo who's complaint was not that he was about to go bankrupt, iirc. She was right though
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Nov 3, 2015 22:34
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fatherdog posted:Actually I think one of the biggest knocks against Faber is that he DOESN'T do this. He threatens with striking or he shifts gears and threatens with wrestling, and he's pretty threatening with either, but he never really mixes it up and certainly never with the facility that Cruz does. Cruz is a loving wonder to watch. You can see the hypnosis set in for his opponents, as they have no idea whether that twitch is going to turn into a punch, leg-kick, double leg, or absolutely nothing.
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Nov 3, 2015 22:46
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does anyone have that bundt cake post that was a riff on the "you can't fight here! this is the war room!" except about mma
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Nov 3, 2015 22:57
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I love Takeya so I believe in Cruz by default.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:06
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Mr. Nice! posted:Section 7201 of the Internal Revenue Code: “Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.” Lying to the IRS (which he also could be guilty of) is different from lying on your bankruptcy filing. Unless you are under oath, I'm not sure that it would be a criminal offense.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:07
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Northjayhawk posted:Lying to the IRS (which he also could be guilty of) is different from lying on your bankruptcy filing. Unless you are under oath, I'm not sure that it would be a criminal offense. Yeah I misread that as lying on your taxes.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:22
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Hmm yes, now that he's declared bankruptcy I understand why ronda 's mom want to murder him. Totally reasonable.
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Nov 3, 2015 23:58
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Dangersim posted:I like meisha tate I do too but I do think her stock drops dramatically if she leaves UFC so I'm not sure what her endgame is right now. Asking to get paid as much as Ronda is absurd and Jon Fitch complained about UFC politics/fighter unions too and it ended with him getting knocked out by Johny Hendricks in 7 seconds then getting his leg taken by Rousimar Palhares in front of 100k viewers. Miesha's career will take the same turn. Miesha probably should have taken the Nunes fight, and if not, just keep calling out Cyborg every day until UFC makes that fight.
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