mewse posted:

If MMA can land a proper new york venue I will eat a hat

Trast posted:

Whomever taught Joanna how to make vines recently deserves all our love.

DumbWhiteGuy posted:

Women's Bantamweight Champion Holly "The Preacher's Daughter" Holm

fatherdog posted:

Yeah, and that's a fine reason for the UFC to not mandate it at the time, but there's a difference between not mandating it and saying "no comment", and saying that your champ is making himself look stupid by trying to get more stringent testing.


Yeah so maybe just say this instead of reaching for reasons to dislike him based on completely reasonable things he did two years ago

DumbWhiteGuy posted:

Read this and remember how stupid the whole situation was in 2013, with Kizer, and people did not even know what WADA or VADA was. It was completely stupid how no one knew anything about anything.

fatherdog posted:

Who were "people" who didn't know what WADA or VADA were because I knew and so did anybody else that was actually paying attention. GSP went with VADA for a voluntary testing, Hendricks claimed that he didn't trust VADA and would prefer WADA and therefore... didn't go with any testing at all. The UFC threw their hands up and said everybody was an idiot, and then three months later announced they were doing all the testing GSP wanted to do. GSP is not the guy who looks bad here.

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The two sides split on who would pay for the testing. St-Pierre’s camp expressed a preference to use VADA, which they said had agreed to partially pay for costs, according to Kizer. But Hendricks’ camp balked at the idea of their opponent partnering with a drug testing body that was supposed to be independent, and they favored the WADA program.

When informed of the WADA program’s cost, St-Pierre’s camp said they preferred to use VADA.

“I made it quite clear that if you guys want to do additional testing on your own, that’s fine,” Kizer said. “But if you’re serious about it and you’re not looking to hire someone yourself to do it, I said, ‘This is how you do it. We’re happy to help you help us, but that’s a decision you need to make because you need to fund it.'”

Kizer, however, also was concerned when St-Pierre’s reps asked questions about the list of substances the WADA program tests for, in addition to when the drug tests would be conducted and who would conduct them.

“They were asking, ‘Well, what do you test for?’ My answer is always the same: We test for prohibited substances as listed on the WADA list,” Kizer said. “(They said), ‘Well, what does that mean? Does that mean HGH, does that mean this, does that mean that?’ Yes, it means it all. The answer then should have been, ‘OK.'”

After more discussion, St-Pierre’s rep, whom Kizer identified as the fighter’s lawyer, Rodolphe Beaulieu, stood firm on using VADA.

“OK, fine, use VADA,” Kizer said of his response. “That’s not the question. The question is do you want to do outside testing through the athletic commission? And basically, they said we want to know all the tests you do so Georges’ medical advisors can vet the test first before we decide.

“I said, ‘I will take that as a no. We will let you know if we’re going to do any testing on our own. Goodbye.'”

Kizer said Beaulieu then tried to backtrack by saying St-Pierre wasn’t opposed to the WADA program.

“The guy actually had the gall – this Rodolphe guy – (to say), ‘Well, no, that’s not what we meant. We’re happy to do it once we get this additional information, but I’m going to be done for the next seven days, and I’m unavailable via cell phone or email.’ It’s like, whatever dude. It was so ridiculous. But I don’t hold any of that against Georges St-Pierre. As far as I know, he doesn’t even know about these things.”

DumbWhiteGuy posted:

Read this and remember how stupid the whole situation was in 2013, with Kizer, and people did not even know what WADA or VADA was. It was completely stupid how no one knew anything about anything. In hindsight, it's pretty amazing how far we've come I think but a large part of that might just be Kizer being gone. Anyway, maybe Dana should've come out and said "His heart is in the right place but this is turning into something stupid" instead of "It makes them both look stupid" but who cares.

Kurohashi posted:

You're probably right that Kizer was the biggest problem in that situation. All the attempted quotes to make GSP look bad/suspicious came from Kizer or Hendricks's team and if you read between the lines it's actually Kizer being inept and lazy on his points. Everything GSP's team did there is what they should be doing. Saying they are being suspicious there is like saying someone asking to have their lawyer see the paperwork before signing is being suspicious instead of just 'moving it forward'.

1) VADA is suspicious because they partnered with GSP
It's the opposite. They are showing legitimacy by partnering with professional athletes looking to help clean up the sport and endorsements like that will get the program momentum. Just like any intermediary trying to offer a service/product, you do sponsorships/endorsements to gather more buy-in. Yes, that also means that GSP will favor VADA over any other one that isn't free for him. That's not suspicious; that's common sense. Besides, he was going to pay for Hendricks tests anyway so Hendricks was the one getting a free testing in that scenario. WADA was money out of both guys' pockets.

2) GSP's team was being difficult asking for WADA's list of banned substances and testing procedures
Kizer had no idea what the banned substances are or the procedures and instead of admitting he doesn't know and doing some loving work to get that sorted out (eg. "we can direct you to the right people" or "we can email you details at a later time") he doesn't do anything to help. Asking for the list of banned substances is obviously important for professional athletes and how/when tests could be conducted. As an extreme example, that could be the difference between taking cold medicine or not taking cold medicine during camp. GSP already knows/approved the testing methods and substance list of VADA so he needs to know if WADA is better or worse before shelving VADA for it. Kizer has no reason to not provide details of a program they endorse when asked for it. He's a lazy poo poo.

Trast posted:

Whomever taught Joanna how to make vines recently deserves all our love.

Kurohashi posted:

You're probably right that Kizer was the biggest problem in that situation. All the attempted quotes to make GSP look bad/suspicious came from Kizer or Hendricks's team and if you read between the lines it's actually Kizer being inept and lazy on his points. Everything GSP's team did there is what they should be doing. Saying they are being suspicious there is like saying someone asking to have their lawyer see the paperwork before signing is being suspicious instead of just 'moving it forward'.

1) VADA is suspicious because they partnered with GSP
It's the opposite. They are showing legitimacy by partnering with professional athletes looking to help clean up the sport and endorsements like that will get the program momentum. Just like any intermediary trying to offer a service/product, you do sponsorships/endorsements to gather more buy-in. Yes, that also means that GSP will favor VADA over any other one that isn't free for him. That's not suspicious; that's common sense. Besides, he was going to pay for Hendricks tests anyway so Hendricks was the one getting a free testing in that scenario. WADA was money out of both guys' pockets.

2) GSP's team was being difficult asking for WADA's list of banned substances and testing procedures
Kizer had no idea what the banned substances are or the procedures and instead of admitting he doesn't know and doing some loving work to get that sorted out (eg. "we can direct you to the right people" or "we can email you details at a later time") he doesn't do anything to help. Asking for the list of banned substances is obviously important for professional athletes and how/when tests could be conducted. As an extreme example, that could be the difference between taking cold medicine or not taking cold medicine during camp. GSP already knows/approved the testing methods and substance list of VADA so he needs to know if WADA is better or worse before shelving VADA for it. Kizer has no reason to not provide details of a program they endorse when asked for it. He's a lazy poo poo.

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Lid posted:

would like to know more about this

Lid posted:

would like to know more about this

Work Friend Keven posted:

GSP got what he wanted in the sense that he successfully gave up millions of dollars because he's afraid to fight. In another, different sense, he's a coward.

niethan posted:

That's just a regular sized piece of meat

fatherdog posted:

Keven is doing a really good job on creating his own awards category, "Best Poster With The Stupidest Opinions"

Northjayhawk posted:

I still can't believe Jose F'ing Aldo is the underdog.

I got in with $200 when he was +150, the odds have since tightened a bit, but he's still +130. Yes, he CAN lose, Conor has a deadly left, but loving christ, this is scarface we're talking about, why do people think he is more likely to lose?

I.N.R.I posted:

i'm picking Mr Aldo , but i'm not putting any money on him. :P

Northjayhawk posted:

If Aldo just waded in for a stand-up boxing match from the beginning then I'd be worried, but he's smarter than that

fatherdog posted:

While I think you are probably right, if I were looking for a reason not to bet on Aldo, "Brazilian Machismo + Irish Shittalk == Stupid Gameplan" would be high on the list.

Triticum Guzzler posted:

i'm grateful for the existence of all action fighters with double digit losses even in the big leagues

TheCool69 posted:

UFC just released first fights for London card next February

Bisping vs Mousasi
Amirkhani vs Wilkinson
Parke vs Khabilov