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SubponticatePoster posted:Or Ash, for that matter. News headline: Galaxy in Flames Because Space Racist Can't Tell the Aliens From the Animals Ashley doesn't qualify as racist. Racist implies that she thinks humans are superior, and she's pretty clear that she doesn't believe that considering her opinions on the the pro-human groups in the game. You could make a case that she's xenophobic, but.... well, her philosophy is "It's nice to play with the other races, but at the end of the day they're going to look after me and mine". The problem is that the game repeatedly and depressingly proves her right. Particularly and glaringly (like, to the point of stupidity) in ME3. I personally liked Ash in ME1, she had a level of depth that was lacking from most of the other characters and she had some good character development. Though said depth obviously flew over the heads of most players. Then ME3 RUINED her. 
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grimlock_master posted:That was beautiful. The wonders of the Internet never cease. Honestly, I think I threw up a little reading that. Plus part of my brain might have died.
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Up Circle posted:This is mostly dumb, she's definitely a racist. Hmmmm. I consider her ethnocentric (and a bit xenophobic), but not racist (the two can be mutually exclusive). If you wish to disagree with me then fine, but are insults really necessary? I'm open for a civil debate, and I hope you can come around to that idea. And as to her philosophy, that's more or less exactly what she says. She's afraid that when the chips are down, races will see to themselves and only themselves. The Turians do it, the Salarians do it, the Asari do it. Hell, if it weren't for a Paragon Shep, the humans would do it too. And each game has proven that this philosophy is correct. The main difference between a renegade Shep and paragon Shep is that the renegade accepts this and is kind of a jerk while the paragon Shep points out how this is extremely stupid behavior considering the circumstances and works towards change. I guess it comes down to what one would consider racist. Also, rather than "this is dumb", perhaps you could explain why you disagree? This is not meant to be an insult or sarcasm, I'm legitimately interested. Also, in my original post, I meant ethnocentric not xenophobic. But I consider her to be a bit xenophobic as well (with her background who can blame her?) and got the two words messed up. mauman fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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Regalingualius posted:Well, in this case, the Alamo in your analogy is actually still relatively relevant to the ME 'verse. I always though it was funny (in a  sort of way) that the Turians first thought when finding a new race was "Shoot it, follow it back home and shoot it's home".Yeesh.
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Dec 14, 2015 19:29
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Dr. Buttass posted:You know I never really bought Ashley's character development on this, I always felt like she was going "these aliens who I know personally are okay but they're weird outliers and the rest of their species still all suck." All of this talk about Ashley has made me wonder if anybody has made Kaiden go in the opposite direction. It's strange to say the very least. Psion posted:I hear you. I have made exactly two good non-default Shepards. It's hard. It's made worse that you have to rebuild them in each game and they look different in each game and The first time I played this game I tried to model my Shepard after Kurt Russels character from the movie Soldier. Boy howdy was he one ugly gently caress.
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Yeah, the Asari come off a little too perfect (other than what some tells you about their prejudices). Then the 2nd and especially the 3rd one came around and pretty much ka-boshed that one. By the time the 3rd one came around I wanted to strangle half of the Asari that I met. All that said, even with her flaws, I've always had a soft spot for a certain Asari.
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grimlock_master posted:It's no excuse for having hugely sexualized female-only aliens Ya know, some days I can't help but feel that certain people take this stuff a little too seriously. Mass Effect was a love letter to sci-fi television shows and movies that people at the time had grown up with, like star trek and star wars. The Asari were a reference to the so called, "green-skinned space babes" from the original star trek. They were trying to evoke the "beautiful yet dangerous" card. Now I agree it was kinda wonky, but saying no excuse? And yes, I agree the consort thing was weird. mauman fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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Psion posted:it's true, Rana Thanoptis is the best You got me there  Thanks for the laugh, I needed it.
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grimlock_master posted:I'll try not to derail the thread too much, but here goes. For any given fact about a piece of media, you can say it has an internal justification, and an external justification. Internal is how that fact fits with the rest of the facts of that media. External is what the author is trying to do with that fact. In the case of the Asari, the internal justification for their appearance is "they can mate with everyone, so they evolved to be attractive to everyone", maybe even "they mess with your head to appear attractive". The external justification, as far as I can see, is simply "teenage titillation" I'm not trying to start an argument here. I'm just trying to point out that stuff like the Asari are callbacks to the material from the sources that Bioware used for this game (and they admitted that they used star-trek as a basis for the Asari). I'm not going to say the implementation was perfect (in me1 it certainly wasn't), but it did get better with Me2 and 3 by showing the warts that the so-called "perfect" race had. And you know what? I had great fun playing my first ME character as a (very ugly I admit) Captain Kirk wannabe. And every Captain Kirk wannabe HAS to have a weirdly-colored space babe  Also I was mid-twenties when I first played this game. The "teenage stuff" you mentioned never applied to me. Psion posted:There was an interview with a Bioware guy where they pretty candidly admitted what they did and who the asari were designed for. And Thane, who had a similar purpose for a different target audience. I won't deny it was done for fanservice, but fanservice for men OR women never really bothered me. I just think people take this stuff too seriously nowadays. mauman fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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hard counter posted:It's a lot easier to roll a Yoomanity First play through the second time around for sure, especially after realizing that every other species has reveled in petty selfishness at some point, why not us h. sapiens too? Yuuuuup. Ashley doesn't seem quite so off the mark after the 1st time you play through the series. Granted, going Renegade is still shooting yourself in the foot, but still.....
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How about we don't go there? You'll get no argument from me that sides go too far in defending stuff that is ultimately fiction, but let's not get into the whole Gamersgate/sjw/femnazi bullshit and chips. Edit: small note, never played MGS5 (and probably never will), but I'll agree that does sound dumb. mauman fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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grimlock_master posted:Thanks for understanding my point. I thought about mentioning Quiet (you put it perfectly even without playing the game) but sort of forgot halfway. Hey. I understand your point, and to an extent I even agree with it. But you seem to be missing the point that I was making. I enjoyed the Asari (flaws not withstanding) not because of titillation, but because I approached Mass Effect as "Star Trek, the RPG". It would be nice if you could at least acknowledge my point rather than just imply that I'm trying to justify titillation (which I'm not).
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grimlock_master posted:But the whole point of the Green Skinned Space Babe in Star Trek was titillation to begin with. Hence this discussion. Yes, true. But by this point it goes from Titillation to Nostalgia. Is that so hard to understand? Maybe Nostalgia is not the word.....anybody have a word for that feeling that something's not complete unless it's there, even if it's somewhat questionable? I guess what I'm trying to say is something (in this case the Asari) can be enjoyed for non-obvious reasons, so you shouldn't make assumptions about those who do. They weren't perfect, and God knows I would have made a million changes to them if I headed up the writing department. But they felt like a necessary element to something that was trying very hard to crib off of Star Trek. mauman fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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Kurieg posted:Tradition! THANK YOU!! That's exactly what I was going for.
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koolkevz666 posted:So not to distract the conversation away from the fan service talk but for anyone who is playing on the PS version does going to Noveria, in particular the later half in the plot area cause this annoying black fuzz graphic effect that you get on the PC version that either hasn't been fixed or has been and I just don't know about it? Wow....I didn't even know this glitch existed. That's really messed up looking 
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Dr. Buttass posted:stuff Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were an idiot, nor did I say anything about you being aware or unaware of anything. I was in fact agreeing with you that "nerds" go too far in justifying stuff. Kinda feel like you put words into my mouth there. I might have done the same thing though. I see the words like sjw and their related ilk and a number of red flags show up in my head saying "oh god not this again". Make you a deal. I won't do that anymore if you don't. Friends? About the tradition thing. That's not an argument I'm willing to get into at this point. Maybe when things are slightly calmer. mauman fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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Ze Pollack posted:You know the Prime Directive in Star Trek? In one sentence, it's "No uplifts. Ever." If I recall correctly, there's at least one race that is being given a "downlift", i.e. prevented from leaving their planet because they are THAT bad.
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Kurieg posted:If you're talking about the Yahg, that's more that they've eaten everyone that's tried to uplift them. Yeah, but I find it hilarious that they have an active blockade around their planet ready to shoot any of them that reach space.
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Wrex and whoever is most appropriate at the time for story purposes, for the rest of the game If you're doing the whole series, you have to get your allotted Wrex time in. Everybody else will get their fair share (well, almost everybody )Also, agreed on picking up Liara first, if only for the story implications. Someone can post a link to the bonus speech after she's recruited. mauman fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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SubponticatePoster posted:Also if you've never tried it, playing as any flavor of biotic and bringing Wrex and Liara results in the fabric of space time being torn asunder like a fat lady's yoga pants This is probably the best team in the first game. Biotic-class plus those two is really something else (back when Biotics were still  , even on insanity).Of course, Kaiden + Liara would be even more-so, but then you wouldn't have Wrex  Psion posted:How could you vote for anything else? The only time not to take Wrex is for one specific sidequest, and only because the payoff is so good in ME2. Otherwise, Wrex. Shepard. Wrex. Shepard. Wrex. Shepard. ?? I can't remember this pay-off. I must go refresh my memory. mauman fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Dec 23, 2015 |
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Good Ole Zaeed. I always loved how all of his stories ended with either something exploded/died, he almost died, or how his whole team died.
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Doc Morbid posted:My favorite thing about Zaeed is how people put him in charge of the fire team or send him to escort the crew, and then it's a total surprise to them when everyone gets killed. It would be even better if everyone but Zaeed died in those situations, but oh well. Not me. I instantly knew that while Zaeed get's poo poo done, he doesn't do it in a shall we say clean manner. Love the guy, but I never fell for that trap. Though according to the in-game numbers, he REALLY knows how to "hold the line" (3-way tie for first). I did however try out Kasumi for the tech specialist, and I was pleasantly surprised.
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Aces High posted:also Kaidan doesn't get a shotgun Tali can't lift a Geth Colossus with her mind <_<
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Psion posted:There are actually concrete and good gameplay/game design reasons for why they switched (whether or not they "should have" is another question, but at least it was a thought-out change) but the in-universe explanation was garbage, yeah. I love how the series takes a pot shot at everybody calling out the in-game explanation by having Conrad Vernor point it out and having Shepperd shut him up. I have a feeling that Bioware doesn't know how to take criticism at times.
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You know, as much as I liked James in 3 I was annoyed at his existence because I thought it was a wasted opportunity to have a Batarian party member. It would have been nice to have a Batarian around that didn't fall into the 3 prime Batarian molds; rear end in a top hat, jackass, and rear end in a top hat jackass. Though 3's mp did give us the Batarian Hate Slide, so I guess it's all good.
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eTaCRQNH6g] Here's another example video of the hate slide that I personally liked. mauman fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Pastrymancy posted:Ashley Great, this again. I hate to break it too you She's entirely loving CORRECT based on the next 2 games Again, the main difference between renegade and paragon (my interpretation) is that renegade embraces this most of the time (with a dash of rear end in a top hat mixed in) while paragon acknowledges it but tries to be better than that (and keeps telling everybody what a dumb attitude this is). monster on a stick posted:But if that were true, the Turians would deny the Reapers exist, the Asari would be keeping all this advanced technology secret, and the Salarians would still be doing dumb poo poo like uplifting species even while defending the genophage. Thanks, I feel like I needed a laugh
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JT Jag posted:All the Rachni are totally dead though! Yeah, this. The people upstairs survive since you still get the email from the volus guy in ME2. So going to the hot labs 2nd would be the more "correct" way of doing this.
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Poil posted:Didn't the guards just kill all the npc's Only if you go to the hot labs first. Either way, the Volus guy lives, but his email still being sent to you in the 2nd implies that everybody survives if you go to the hot labs AFTER Benezia cacks.
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monster on a stick posted:The old Bioware store is old though, I don't think they've used the points system since ME2/DA2. It's still being used for ME3/DA3. It's as bad as you might think it is, but that amazon link helps a fair bit.
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monster on a stick posted:I bought DA:I from the Origin store last year and all the DLC was being sold for cash, not points. I think that's because DA:I has a game of the year edition. ME3 has no such luck. Regardless, I KNOW ME3 at least still has this problem.
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Poil posted:Wouldn't declaring yourself dead invalidate your id, licenses and credit cards? As SP mentioned, I think it was supposed to be a reference to the book "Restaurant at the end of the Universe" by Douglas Adams. Now I have a hankering to pull out my Hitchhiker's collection.
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hard counter posted:Vanguard gameplay will also be in for a big boost I was a huge fan of the assault sentinel in ME2.
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DeusExMachinima posted:
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