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StuntKid posted:We just shot it because we wanted to that's all. To paraphrase the philosopher Malcolm, just because you can doesn't mean that you should. You shouldn't have.
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This isn't good, but I like that people try things. I couldn't really hear or understand much of the dialogue. A boom mic would help. The makeup and masks look cheap and bad. It's odd that some costumes have a lot of detail in one place, but then the guy wearing it has a really bad haircut, or it's really obvious that there are strings on the mask. If you're gonna go for one type of style/aesthetic, go balls in. Go all cheap costumes and strings on the mask, or spend more than $2-3k on half-assing it, and get some pro looking stuff. Even in comic books, no one talks or acts like this. Give characters a reason/motivation, and show they have varying levels of emotion instead of SHORT RASPY BUT ANGRY ZINGERS RAHHH. The worst enemy of low budget film is bad lighting. Rule of thumb: If your plot isn't interesting when the main character is just a tough guy named Joe Schmoe, it doesn't magically get better by changing the main character to Nightwing.
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Jan 11, 2016 23:37
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With DSLRs and prime lenses, this should not be such an issue. A hundred dollar lens and a softbox on the light and you have a flat light to play with. In this case it seems like they back lit the gently caress out of it. You can't do poo poo with the image because you will blow out your background if you try and bring up the levels. I am curious to know what this was shot on and what the DP's aesthetic was. Backlighting can be tricky as hell and takes a LOT of time to perfect. A lot of scenes have the subjects lit decently and then it's just black behind them. other scenes have a high key background and dark subjects. Some of it does look good though.
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Jan 12, 2016 00:05
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Honestly, if you only have 2 grand make anything but a Capes superhero movie. No one has figured out how to make the genre work on that kind of budget.
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Jan 12, 2016 00:17
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Red posted:This isn't good, but I like that people try things. This is all really good advice. Just do keep making movies, that's one of the best ways to get better. Just get someone to do proper audio post production, now it's kind of all over the place.
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Jan 12, 2016 00:43
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The technical and artistic advice you've gotten in this thread will not make your fan film good in any sense of the term. If you're serious about being a filmmaker, don't make another fan film or another "producer" vanity project. Get far away from that poo poo as possible. This whole project was doomed to fail because it's just not worth doing.
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Jan 12, 2016 01:14
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If nothing else, you completed a film. Most people don't get past the "I want to make a movie!" stage. So kudos for that
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Jenny Angel posted:I want to see the movie about making that movie more than I want to see the movie, though. Like, give me a documentary or mockumentary about some colorful, lovably delusional tough guys trying to put together a cult classic action movie on a shoestring budget. That sounds dope There was an old 2004 fan film about Robin coming back to Gotham to avenge Batman's death called Grayson which was kind've meh but the 'behind the scenes' videos were much more entertaining because of all the crazy poo poo he had to go through for each shot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZlGdjIYRpg For one shot of Commissioner Gordon looking at a 'painting' of Batman he wanted it set in a brown room with bookcases full of books in the background so he painted his loungeroom brown, borrowed some bookcases, registered several library cards and borrowed hundreds of books from the library. The guy playing Gordon wasn't an actor but he got the part because he already had the moustache, saving the production the $8 it would have cost to get a joke store fake moustache.
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Jan 12, 2016 05:25
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I put the film on mute, in order to bask in the visual storytelling. So a a guy takes a magic ring and leaves on a quest through the cosplay underground. His goal? To kill the actual Batman. Batman naturally survives and, three months later, murders the guy's boring wife in retaliation. Twist ending: a cop may have dreamed the whole thing.
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Jan 12, 2016 08:57
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:For one shot of Commissioner Gordon looking at a 'painting' of Batman he wanted it set in a brown room with bookcases full of books in the background so he painted his loungeroom brown, borrowed some bookcases, registered several library cards and borrowed hundreds of books from the library. The guy playing Gordon wasn't an actor but he got the part because he already had the moustache, saving the production the $8 it would have cost to get a joke store fake moustache. That is incredible.
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Jan 12, 2016 17:05
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:That is incredible. Thestories of these kind of workarounds people do for practical sets and effects on a shoestring budget is always insanely entertaining. You'd think he could just like, find someone with a brown room and already-filled bookcases. How many people with empty bookshelves did he even know?
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Jan 12, 2016 17:27
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Stubbornness and gumption aren't too different, I guess.
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Jan 12, 2016 17:29
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It took him 18 months to make that 5 minute fan film. They shot it on his lovely old hand wound film camera and he could only afford to develop the film every 3 months so they never had any dailies and just had to trust the shots they got were okay. They had to trespass to get half the location shots and he'd have to sneak into his neighbour's yards with an extension cord to plug in his three spots to light scenes. Seriously, go watch that 'Pieces of the Puzzle' behind-the-scenes youtube video I posted, it's fascinating. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Jan 12, 2016 17:50
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It took him 18 months to make that 5 minute fan film. They shot it on his lovely old hand wound film camera and he could only afford to develop the film every 3 months so they never had any dailies and just had to trust the shots they got were okay. They had to trespass to get half the location shots and he'd have to sneak into his neighbour's yards with an extension cord to plug in his three spots to light scenes. I gotta watch this, it sounds badass.
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Jan 13, 2016 01:34
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Fan Films fascinate me because most of them are so inclusive that they are kind of unwatchable. I know the idea of these fan films is to do what the studios will not, but for the most part, the studios are right. You need to get people who don't give a crap about the property to care about your film. I feel like if one person did that, they'd transcend the pastiche quality of them, and actually make something that is legit good. That might be false though, but I'd love to try it. Make a fan film that is devoid of fan service and call backs. Something that stands completely on it's own, despite using an already established IP.
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Jan 13, 2016 02:27
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List of good fan films: -
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Jan 13, 2016 03:31
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The guy who plays Batman looks the part and has at least made an attempt to do the voice.
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I tend to agree with Y Kant Ozma Diet, I think it is an achievement to have made a film, whether it is a fan film or not. Though I must confess I have a soft spot for Fan Films, I've seen quite a few and while most of them have been terrible there have been a few that I think were pretty good, given what they were. I believe judging a fan film by the same criteria as a professional production isn't fair, and not something people would do if they went to, say, a community theater production. So congrats on making the film. Having said that… I wish I had some substantial criticism for you, but I am not a film critic, and I've never even attempted to make a short film. But many of the posters have offered some great advice, both in this thread and the last. Heck, I'd like to quote SuperMechagodzilla from the last thread (but I won't, I don't want to cross post like that.) To harp on something that you did say in the last thread, that you were able to fix many of the problems by some color correction or whatever it was, and the only difference I see from the trailer and the finished product is a blue tint to the whole thing. The lighting seems to be the same, which I guess goes to what Lonos Oboe was talking about earlier. Corek posted:List of good fan films: Okay, I'm going to take some (deserved) poo poo for this, but I'll put it out there. I think these are a few decent fan films… Batgirl Rising is, um, not horrible at the start. If they had changed the names of the characters and completely changed the direction the last part of the film went in it could have been a (much better) movie that stood entirely on its own. I guess that isn't a good endorsement. But speaking of "rising" fan films, there are some decent scenes in Joker Rising and it too could have been a decent-ish movie if they had dropped all of the Batman stuff. The idea of a small time crook descending into the big time is a compelling concept. There are also a number of fan films that involve high level talent, such as Thomas Jane in Dirty Laundry and a bunch of other actors in some Power Rangers fan film. The variety of fan films is, at least to me, pretty surprising. You've got Sin City fan films, Firefly fan films, and Judge Dredd spinoffs like Judge Minty and I don't know if they are fan films for certain, but Judge Dredd Superfriends. I have spent far too much time writing about fan films.
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Titus82 posted:The variety of fan films is, at least to me, pretty surprising. You've got Sin City fan films, Firefly fan films, and Judge Dredd spinoffs like Judge Minty and I don't know if they are fan films for certain, but Judge Dredd Superfriends. Oh poo poo I completely forgot Judge Minty existed. That one actually owns.
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Corek posted:List of good fan films: The Spider-Man fan film was impressive for the entirely real city rope swinging and jumping. The film was bad, but it's entirely commendable that he was willing to get himself killed for his fan tribute. Honestly, most fan-films seem to either be SFX displays, or nerds starting from scratch knowing nothing but character trivia (in which case good on them for experimenting and learning poo poo).
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Neurolimal posted:The Spider-Man fan film was impressive for the entirely real city rope swinging and jumping. The film was bad, but it's entirely commendable that he was willing to get himself killed for his fan tribute. Skip to 27:00 for Dan Poole pulling some batshit crazy stunt work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylky5ITvZpk The entire 50 minute film was made on a budget of less than $400. He later went on to do further film work which you've never heard of unless you watch RedLetterMedia's Best of the Worst reviews of obscure lovely films. That's not to say that a Spider-Man fan film can't kick off a great career. Don Glut made this Spider-Man fan film on 1969 as well as a bunch of other fan films as well as classic 80s TV cartoons as well as his infamous dino soft porn homepage. James Krieg made this 1989 live action version of the classic 70s Spider-Man cartoon and went on to write a whole bunch of cartoons. Edit: the guy who did that Grayson fan film I posted about earlier later went on to be key production assistant/transportation captain in this Christian 'Quantum Leap' ripoff film (co-directed by the guy who produced the God's Not Dead films) and pretty much nothing else so I guess it doesn't work out for everybody. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Corek posted:List of good fan films: Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy is not just the only good fan-film, but insanely good.
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Corek posted:List of good fan films: You forgot these: .
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:
Key production assistant/transportation captain means he was just a dogsbody with a car. As someone in the industry in the UK who has always wanted to make something myself, gently caress you for burning $4000 for this trash.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy is not just the only good fan-film, but insanely good. I'd love to hear why.
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Water Sheep posted:I'd love to hear why. The production values are legit good, and it manages to get across the spirit of the original games without sacrificing accessibility (while it helps, you don't have to know MGS to understand the fan film). At least that's why I think it's dope, SMG's probably got a more nuanced take.
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Key production assistant/transportation captain means he was just a dogsbody with a car. Yeah I suspected as much. 
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Man, I love the term "dogsbody".
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy is not just the only good fan-film, but insanely good. Do you mean this one? The one you linked is a 12 minute video that's part of the unfinished sequel according to the description
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Water Sheep posted:I'd love to hear why. MGS is an anagram for SMG 
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MacheteZombie posted:Do you mean this one? It looks like that film cost about 100 times more to make than this Nightwing film. I wouldn't be surprised if they spent close to 6 figures on that. If they didn't, its really impressive because it has a very professional look.
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To elaborate on the role of transportation captain, it sounds an odd role but traditionally it's named that because the captain is responsible for a fleet of unit vehicles, I.e fancy cars for actors and the director and minibuses for the crew to get from basecamp to the shooting location. On most UK TV projects you'd have three to five unit cars responsible for taking actors from home to hotels, hotels to Base camp, Base camp to set, set to home/hotel. The transportation captain organises these so there's always something available for pickups and for things/people to be run between Base and set. The other role with captain in the title is facilities captain, who's responsible for setting up and moving the Base camp trailers. Normally more of a truck driver type (whereas transportation captains tend more to be private taxi owners or chauffeurs. I guess transportation admiral would be more accurate given his 'fleet' of vehicles. But a lot sillier. Anyway the point is this guy almost certainly wasn't in charge of a fleet of vehicles as well as being a 'key' PA as they're both full time jobs on any professional production. A small quibble but just thought I'd impart a bit of trivia about how stuff goes in the UK.
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The reason Judge Minty worked so well is because they worked within their means and kept the fan wankery to a minimum. They went to the "cursed earth" which is basically mad max land. They had a pretty decent actor NOT trying to interpret an iconic character. They told a pretty decent and bad rear end story with a compelling character. I really liked Minty, mostly because it was so restrained. The guy doing Dredd is decent, but having him in it for a few minutes was perfect. They used the world and characters as a jumping off point for their own stories. A good example of how you could apply that to a Batman fan film is go down the Gotham central route of having a cop working a case that Batman is working and is constantly cleaning up his mess. Maybe he questions Batman's methods and thinks he gets by on his reputation and that the cops do all the real work. Then following a kidnap case, he bends the rules and breaks into a place looking for Zsasz or Black mask. (Anyone except the Joker or sexy Harley Quinn) he gets his rear end handed to him and while being blindfolded and tortured. Batman breaks in and bails him out. (Catching tiny glimpses of an awesome Batman fight under the blindfold) He is freed by Batman and takes the villain in. Pretending that he did all the work, yet Gordon suspects the truth. He then realises that his gun got stolen by one of the thugs who got away and his story will fall apart when he reports it missing. He then gets home drunk as a skunk and in his apartment is the gun having been recovered by Batman. It's not original, but it's cheap, easy and gives you a ton of opportunities to bring across the mood and feel of the Batman universe. Maybe a press conference with the Flash is on TV or a poster for Zatanna's new show. Maybe even Oliver Queen lecturing about drug addiction. Lots of subtle cool touches you can add to build the world.
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If Judge Minty is a good by the standards of a fan film then thisCorek posted:List of good fan films:
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Key production assistant/transportation captain means he was just a dogsbody with a car. As someone in the industry in the UK who has always wanted to make something myself, gently caress you for burning $4000 for this trash. Then go do it man. You wanna diss this and complain that you wanted to make your own but aren't willing to? Put your money down and go make something for yourself. It ain't easy. Especially a fan-film, lot of people you need to please, and in the end you probably won't please most of them.
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StuntKid posted:Then go do it man. You wanna diss this and complain that you wanted to make your own but aren't willing to? Put your money down and go make something for yourself. It ain't easy. Especially a fan-film, lot of people you need to please, and in the end you probably won't please most of them. Uh, he's saying he doesn't want to waste $4000 making a bad film, and doesn't want to use that budget as an excuse for why he failed. MacheteZombie posted:Do you mean this one? I mean both, but the 12-minute short is better. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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Corek posted:List of good fan films: I remember that storm trooper COPS one being pretty good
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There was an old 2004 fan film about Robin coming back to Gotham to avenge Batman's death called Grayson which was kind've meh but the 'behind the scenes' videos were much more entertaining because of all the crazy poo poo he had to go through for each shot. This stuff if fascinating and judging from the little snippets of raw footage in those videos he actually manages to make it look like he has several times more money. Like the shot of a dead Batman being zipped into a bodybag looks pretty cool and dramatic but it's just his buddy in bad cowl with someone spraying water on him which would look totally laughable if it wasn't for the fact that the lighting and angle they chose work really well. I mean it's still probably not a very enjoyable film but it's made by people with talent rather than just passion.
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I know I asked this before, but where is that drat artsy Destro fan film. That one was wild.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kno3xDw27bY I like this because it's funny and is short. Like short films should be. Though I think it might count more as a parody than a fan film.
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