The XCOM Thread: HOW DOES SNEK KICK DOOR?!

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Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Sight lines in this game are so wacky. If I'm behind full cover and therefore one tile back from the edge of high ground I really don't expect to be seen much less grabbed through the floor. This is why I'll never play Ironman.

I love what they did to bring in elements like Training Roulette without taking away from the main purpose of each class but you get really locked into AWS -> GTS at the start. The tutorial is also once again in your advantage to skip entirely yet contains critical story.

Edit: Ah so sight range is a cylinder that goes straight up from minimum height with no terrain occulsion. GG Firaxis :rolleyes:

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Feb 8, 2016

# ¿ Feb 8, 2016 00:53

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 07:33

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Does the tutorial really park you in the furthest corner of Russia on purpose? God forbid I get an easy continent bonus to start my game (which is now Europe so I guess that whole EU thing really worked out for the aliens).

# ¿ Feb 9, 2016 04:32

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Draxion posted:

No, I started in Africa. The continent bonuses are also randomized each game too.

Sure but Europe and Oceania are two territories each (not sure about South America as it will be awhile before I can get there). Asia is something like six. At least antennae are money well-spent?

This is what I get for always playing North America in EU/EW.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2016 05:43

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Gyshall posted:

Just started a new L/I run with my lovely Long War (TM) Mod loadout, lets do some gatecrasher, shall we?

So glad someone made that mask before Anarchy's Children (which still hasn't loaded for me).

# ¿ Mar 17, 2016 17:35

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Is line of sight STILL hosed in this game? I took some time off and decided to restart and I still have xrays seeing me through floors i.e. two tiles back from a walled edge and spotting me through heavy cover.

# ¿ Jun 21, 2016 02:23

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

What about pieces of armour changing in slots other than the one I'm currently choosing? Anarchy's Children props keep showing up when I switch basic parts.

# ¿ Jun 21, 2016 03:56

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Is there a good mod for being able to turn non-rookies into Psi operatives? I mistakenly trained up a C team and only ended up needing the Specialist.

# ¿ Jun 29, 2016 22:50

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

I have soldiers being seen through doors (and shooting overwatch through doors no less) and an Andromedon just shot my squad through a solid wall. Is there anywhere to complain about this poo poo? They're not even playtesting this game anymore.

Edit: Now a sectopod is seeing me drone-hack an objective and walking through it after the hack finishes, which still breaks the terminal and cancels the objective. I'm >< this close to just giving up on the game.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Jul 1, 2016

# ¿ Jul 1, 2016 05:49

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

NTT posted:

The important part of cover isn't being unseen, it's the cover bonus.

That's not the point - I'm being seen and shot through things that should be opaque and it's now preventing me from completing missions AND leading to injured soldiers.

# ¿ Jul 1, 2016 06:24

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

NTT posted:

Idk what you want man, those sort of issues are really uncommon for me, and the game is RNGy enough as it is that I see that sort of thing as more

Andromedon hits me with an acid grenade while standing behind a solid wall.

I'm getting offered shots like these all the time. Later in the mission she shot an ADVENT through a solid roof.

This flare dropped in the middle of a building with a blown-out wall but the roof was completely solid.

I was able to shoot a rocket through a solid wall, though at least this time the wall showed the round passing through it / damage. Enemies have done the same to me.

I've also had soldiers run through closed doors instead of kicking them open. All those shots are from the same mission, which I had to relentlessly savescum because a Sectopod was seeing my drone hack something on the other side of a wall and then walking through that wall to fail the objective despite the hack being complete.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jul 1, 2016

# ¿ Jul 1, 2016 07:14

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

I should also mention I haven't seen an elerium core in months so no proving grounds projects for me!

Fister Roboto posted:

The game has really inconsistent LOS rules. It sucks, but there's not much that can be done.

This was a solved problem in EU/EW though? I feel like it's gotten worse since launch.

# ¿ Jul 1, 2016 07:23

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Maluco Marinero posted:

Static maps rather than the plot and parcel procedural system likely reduced the surface area for debugging.

Verify said I had one bad file so here's hoping it was the one responsible for walls working (yes I know that's not how computers work).

# ¿ Jul 1, 2016 14:38

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

So far my solution to line-of-sight bugs is never ever quickload. It's like quick saves don't retain level geometry...? Granted I've been fighting outdoors so I have no idea.

Edit: And regardless of buggy LoS I still have tier-3 Shadowkeeper with fan fire and talon rounds.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jul 1, 2016

# ¿ Jul 1, 2016 16:47

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Crosspeice posted:

Got a great bug here where the building that the evac zone is on apparently has no line of sight blocking in the walls or ceiling, allowing Advent to just shoot through the walls to hit me. Sure it works both ways, but it means they're surrounded by all this high cover that they can shoot from no problem, while I only have 3 turns to reach this drat zone.

Edit: Oh hey, it finally fixed itself in the third refresh. Unfortunately the sectoid panicked my grenadier on the second to last turn (cause that roll has yet to fail in this campaign) so he got left behind. Maybe I'll rescue my squaddie if I have a need for one in like eight months when he pops up

Wait wait, how did you fix this and there's such a thing as rescuing?

# ¿ Jul 1, 2016 20:00

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Is it just me or do SPARKs have terrible aim?

Edit: AND they get gravely wounded status if someone takes a single hit point off them.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jul 2, 2016

# ¿ Jul 2, 2016 00:32

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Alkydere posted:

Well, they are MECs. Seriously though, run Johnny Killbot right up to the enemy's face and shove that gun barrel down the enemy's throat since he can't use cover anyways.

Also feels so loving good to one-shot early Captains and such with the fist (Veteran level).

I picked Rainmaker over the fist for 001 even though I remember how much fun the fist was in EW. Intimidate, on the other hand, is the absolute worst especially given that I gave up the ability to bulldoze entire buildings.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2016 02:02

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Mr.Pibbleton posted:

Can later Sparks equip two heavy weapons? That's the only thing that'd make me consider it over puuuuunch.

Not that I know of but Rainmaker makes powered weapons loving ridiculous.

Malachite_Dragon posted:

I typically put my Workshop right between two Resistance Comms rooms so that I can use all four gremlins to with the Resistance, thus freeing my actual engineers up for actual work. Is this wasting the workshop?

No, as long as you can redirect those gremlins to above/below too. Base had the two power coils in the bottom middle two cells so I put the workshop in row 2 column 2 with the AWC above, coms on its left and the proving grounds on its right.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2016 02:39

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Did that mod for upgraded gunpower / magnetic weapons ever get a final release? When you bought the next tier of weapons it brought the previous tiers in line with it for damage and mod space so you could use whatever was most fun. For me the machine guns and handguns feel better as cannons.

magicalmako posted:

Is LOS completely broken in the new patch?

It's broken through destructible geometry like buildings but not fixed geometry like terrain, and seems to get worse if you quickload. I've had some levels be fine and others become essentially unplayable unless I can massively outgun the aliens.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jul 2, 2016

# ¿ Jul 2, 2016 18:14

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Looks like I'm going to finish this game with one death unless the endgame breaks my balls (endgame being the spokesman is gone). Since I'm missing the achievement I almost wish there were... more? I did reload a couple times when my Mary Sues bit it.

Dr_Gee posted:

Balls, I thought something was really weird about LoS post-patch. I think I'll put the game on hold until this gets fixed or at least make a new campaign to play instead of my, "I'm gonna finish this come hell or high savescumming" run.

Based on my last mission it's fine if you don't quickload. I had a pair of turrets on a rooftop that would have been thoroughly ruining me if LoS had been bugged. Everything was normal. I could load an autosave and see if the gong show starts?

by.a.teammate posted:

Is there anyway to change the rulers special armour? The viper one just looks dumb.

You can swap helmets and with natural colours like dark green or tan it's not bad.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Sep 25, 2017

# ¿ Jul 2, 2016 20:17

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

The secret to rulers is burning weapons so they take damage every reaction and just focusing them down until they run. Even on really tight missions with mandatory evac you can usually get rid of them in time to escape.

# ¿ Jul 3, 2016 05:27

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Ceramic Shot posted:

I was going for the "win the game before July" achievement on Commander. With four days to spare I went for the second to last mission (the tower). Pretty good gear for my three man team: a major and two captains. A pretty weak pod of a muton and a codex got gunned down really quickly and I think wow I might actually make it.

...Until the king archon shows up for the first time.

I mean I even tried to fight indoors to avoid his Devestate and Suplex move but he just burst through the wall with my beloved major like a celestial ejaculate.

That achievement probably isn't balanced around Rulers so you'd have to turn it off somehow.

# ¿ Jul 3, 2016 15:11

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Coolguye posted:

LOS bugs are a fact of life in XCOM 2, but the fact that you have like 4+ screenshots from the same mission is pretty egregious. I tend to expect to see one, maybe two a mission, and they quite often don't crop up at all.

Have you verified your files recently? I've seen freaking shot to-hit percentages being fixed by that.

It's definitely a bug with level geometry not being properly restored in a quickload. If I go through missions without loading at all (or possibly sticking to autosaves) I'm fine.

BigRed0427 posted:

I just did the mission where the XCOM gets grounded and ADVENT attempts to board it. Does that only happen once a campaign?

There's a facility for boarding defenses you can build later after examining turret wrecks but I dodged the only other UFO that showed up since.

Peanut3141 posted:

I chose intimidate at the next rank. Haven't gotten shot yet to test it, but it seems incredibly useful.

I've never had it succeed. The ability to wreck cover would have been a better complement to the fist in your case.

# ¿ Jul 3, 2016 21:39

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Koorisch posted:

I was wondering if the Heavy weapon slot on the SPARK is the same as on the EXO/WAR suit, does it mean that you can fit a Flamethrower and a Blaster Launcher instead of the Rocket Launcher?

I mean, 2+ damage and bigger area might be pretty good for the Flamethrower?

I have the plasma lance on my SPARK as it's the only heavy weapon I've been able to make with so few Elerium cores (and that's even with a build-your-own-cores mod). It's basically a delete button for anything in the Hammer's sight range.

# ¿ Jul 4, 2016 00:29

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

I finally picked this game up again to finish it but now all my voices (soliders, Bradford, Shen, etc) are mute. I can't preview them and they don't play during missions. I had the international language pack installed (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=623812197) but the problem persists even when I remove it and load the save. Anyone run into this problem and know how to solve it?

Between this and LoS bugs I'm starting to consider writing this game off.

Sound channel settings were messed up and voice only plays through centre/left apparently.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Feb 11, 2017

# ¿ Feb 11, 2017 16:53

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

The expansion sounds loving wild and completely eliminates any disappointment I had over Shadow of War being delayed. I might even enjoy it more than Enemy Within.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jun 14, 2017

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 23:16

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

MikeC posted:

Green Man Gaming has a 25% off thing going on for WotC

Solid, thanks! Now if only they had 25% off the wait time too.

Maluco Marinero posted:

Yeah, beaten track stuff like cosmetics and voices are safer, but things reaching in to gameplay or UI modifications are far less certain.

Good call - I unsubscribed stuff like Retroactive AWC and Use My Class but 90% of the massive character pool I built up this week uses stuff like Individual Arms and Military Camos so no way am I playing until that gets fixed. The mismatched arms in the vanilla game suck.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Aug 16, 2017

# ¿ Aug 16, 2017 02:47

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Shumagorath posted:

Retroactive AWC

I just read about how Training Centre replaces the AWC and man is it going to suck re-rolling my Mary Sue pool characters to get good bonus skills.

# ¿ Aug 16, 2017 23:44

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Cheston posted:

Oh, were bonus skills fixed to the character across all campaigns?

Not sure; from what I understand the new system lets you buy extra skill points on characters and each character gets the two paths (now laid out Mass Effect style left-to-right) plus some random bonus options. So for instance I'd want my combat Ranger (Jacket) to get Kill Zone like he did last game so a Chrysalid charge ends up like it did for Assaults with Close Combat Specialist in XCOM 1. If he rolls lovely overwatch skills that don't work for that kind of build I feel like I'd end up re-loading to whatever point those skills get picked, which knowing :xcom:

is when it loads the character, i.e. during Gatekeeper.

# ¿ Aug 17, 2017 05:43

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

hito posted:

Basically Gunslingers are more useful more often, but when long-range snipers are good they're really good. It's worth having both. Kill Zone and Serial offer some of the best one-turn killing power in the game when you can set them up, but it's hard to set it up on retaliations and any mission where you need to evac on a timer. (Timed missions where you don't need to evac, like device hacks, are a lot more forgiving.)

This is my advice too. My long-range sniper was invaluable in the final fight because Kill Zone and a large magazine meant I could drop entire packs of aliens and take the heat off while fighting avatars.

# ¿ Aug 18, 2017 00:35

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

BlazetheInferno posted:

I would genuinely like to see that. Personally, the reason I dislike swords is more because of positioning issues and fear of activating new pods than stuff like raw damage or Reaper's hilarious badness.

What bothers me most about Reaper is the reduced damage, because blades are already far from guaranteed kills. Putting it up against Rapid Fire isn't even fair and it's a lovely top-tier skill for a class that used to have solid gold like Close Combat Specialist.

Zore posted:

The new WotC sword looks really interesting tbh. With Blademaster it'll have higher damage than a shotgun and its special ability is that it can't miss or be dodged.

It'll synergize incredibly with Reaper and Bladestorm.

Woah, what's this? I already loved sword rangers despite the flaws.

# ¿ Aug 18, 2017 03:01

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Zore posted:

RIP grenadiers not getting any cool toys.

I would *really* like the ability to steer my proving grounds projects so I can complete a certain someone's fire gimmick.

# ¿ Aug 18, 2017 04:30

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

dogstile posted:

Found a PC gamer article trying to pass off the goon Gordon Freeman poster as his own. That's particularly shameful.

Write the editor and publisher. That could be enough to hurt his career.

# ¿ Aug 18, 2017 15:33

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

The downside is that it doesn't load any mods.

# ¿ Aug 18, 2017 18:36

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

One thing I hope the expansion does is either make Elerium Cores plentiful/craftable or let me pick the outcome of projects if they're going to stay rare. The craftable cores mod was a godsend and even then I ran out in the late game.

temple posted:

In honor of the eclipse, I beat veteran and X Com 2 for the first time. The game is better than the previous ones by a large margin but it's harder in every way too.

Question for the pros: how early should the psionic lab be built? I feel like I neglect it and end up without any psi-soliders when they could be useful.

I think I built one early last time I played on Normal (one above easiest) and just parked a single Master Librarian in there until he had everything trained. The guy came out late but incredibly overpowered and was saved from bleeding out on the last mission by a single action.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Aug 22, 2017

# ¿ Aug 22, 2017 05:53

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Does anyone else feel like the game is going to get a bit too busy with both Chosen and boss aliens running around? Every single mission is going to have some rear end in a top hat that gets a turn every time one of your guys takes an action.

# ¿ Aug 24, 2017 04:29

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

I'm really encouraged to hear the new expansion lets you get individual soldiers even half as overpowered as what you could do with gene therapy in EW.

# ¿ Aug 25, 2017 02:11

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Is Shen's Last Gift worth blitzing a new game over the weekend to see the story? I enabled it mid-game when it first came out and got my free SPARK with no context. Eurogamer says that's how it works from now on in WotC. We also don't get the initial snake lair / Vahlen backstory...?

# ¿ Aug 25, 2017 03:41

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

How soon can I rush The Tower from a new game without getting wiped out? If I have to get all the way to magnetics and plate first I might just Youtube it.

# ¿ Aug 25, 2017 20:02

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

Alkydere posted:

That basically means 31% of people who got it put it in their backlog and never played it.

You could theoretically auto-resolve every single conflict and complete the game if you wanted an amateur hour version of Crusader Kings 2.

# ¿ Aug 25, 2017 20:05

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 07:33

Shumagorath: Jun 6, 2001

John Lee posted:

How does taking a hit 'gently caress up your file?' You must have REALLY drat fragile games. I did it once because I didn't know about it, and once because I forgot. Failing one attack, or losing one soldier, or even losing one mission doesn't gently caress up your save file.

I think he auto-corrected / auto-typed "file" when he meant "life".

# ¿ Aug 25, 2017 20:32

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