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TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Wedemeyer posted:

Wow that's like the seventh woman stuck in an elevator in china.

Linked Article posted:

The property managers told the Beijing Youth Daily that the elevator cab was returned to the first floor and taken out of service after workers had “confirmed” that no one was inside. But police investigators said workers simply shouted to check whether anyone was inside and did not open the cab to perform a visual inspection, the news magazine Caixin reported.

:airquote:

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TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

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Sammus posted:

I can't speak for OSHA, but I can for MSHA violations. And the answer is yes. The majority of violations will be little things that can be fixed in under an hour, and they will be. Then you get some fines that are pretty serious, but the company will fight tooth and nail to not pay. Then if you're really unlucky you get some massive fines that can shut the entire place down until it gets fixed.

I don't know if it's the same for OSHA, but a few years ago MSHA moved to be entirely self funded with funds that come from collecting on violations. So the more they can stick you with, the better it is for them.

I can speak to the OSHA violations based on job experiences with larger government contractors over the past 15 years.
It's quite common to get hit with multiple violations. I'd be more surprised if someone got away with fewer than 20 of them. OSHA has many finely grained violations and categories. That makes it really easy for an inspector - who is there for just that reason - to find something, anything, pretty much anywhere.
The few OSHA inspections I can remember always resulted in 35-100 violations. That's for rather large working environments, though - several hundred square miles big and a few thousand workers. An inspector would only pick one building/job site at a time, though.

The attitude is this: Pretty much anything can be made even safer. Or at least more tedious.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

H110Hawk posted:

http://loweringthebar.net/2016/03/has-your-boss-ever.html

I haven't finished reading it yet, I apologize as there are no pictures, but it involves sworn testimony about "pranks" involving acetylene.

This is amazing. From the questioning of the boss, it seems clear that 'fireable offenses' are anything that the Boss has not done himself. "Not-fireable offsenses", on the other hand, are clearly all poo poo he's done before.

Setting fires on purpose? No biggie.
Small explosions? Don't worry about it.
making GBS threads in a co-workers lunch box? Look, these pranks happen literally everywhere.
making GBS threads in the direction of a co-worker during field work? It might be fireable, but only if it goes on for a while.

Not properly communicating with the boss about those explosions? YOU'RE FIRED!!!

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

suffix posted:

I saw this in another thread and just want to commend their safety conscious conduct.
Safety glasses on, tight and ergonomic grip on the iron, this is how you OSHA.

They should be under fume hoods for soldering. Lady in the green shirt is terribly under-dressed for the job.
I don't see ground planes and/or wrist straps.

5/10

Edit:

quote:

Also they are holding the hot metal part of the iron.

lol how did I miss that.

2/20

TotalLossBrain fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Mar 8, 2016

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

ghostter posted:

i used to hotbox a room wih a couple guys soldering for hours on end with no ventilation and a broken ac in a tiny room th e middle of a kids ride called boo blasters listening to the spooky music and screams of kids through the wall. i would emerge from it and a crowd of 100 ppl and kkids would stare at me stumble across the 600v tracks with my tool kit and wink at wendy at the exit. i wouldnt wink if it was anyone else the rest werent sexy.


what i think imm saying is the danger of solder is overrated.


now that i think about it i havent shot ropes as strong since befor i worked there. wtf

I wasn't commenting on the goodness of requiring fume hoods for soldering, only that it is indeed required.
I used to teach Electrical Engineering classes at a local state university campus. We have had to eliminate all soldering from classes/labs because getting fume hoods was impractical/too expensive.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Phanatic posted:

I can't find anything supporting this as a requirement. There are requirements for maximum allowable concentrations of things like lead, toxic fumes, etc., and you might need to have a fume hood or other ventilation to keep the concentrations below that limit, but I don't believe fume hoods are a requirement.

I mean, I used to solder outdoors all the time, a fume hood requirement would have been impossible to meet.

Now that you mention it, I don't know if it is an OSHA requirement. Every place I've worked for in the past ten years made it mandatory to have some active ventilation directly at the soldering station. Those employers have been private industry, a state school, and a government contractor-ran National Laboratory.

At the state school, I saw the transition from "safety googles only" to "we don't have fume hoods, no more soldering" happen around 2010.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Manifest posted:

Saw this on campus the other day, I thought this thread would enjoy it.



What's the problem? (Other than those boards knocked into the water?)

The genset is sitting on a fuel tank. It's not a problem for the tank to be in contact with water, but it shouldn't be a permanent thing.
Also, what is that blue thing being held down by sand bags?

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

JB50 posted:

Im guessing its all a walkway for someone to open the panels and look at stuff inside the generator. In which case they probably turn off the power to it (or not).

There shouldn't be any power to it in most situations - it's a backup generator. The only power source may be a 12V or 24V battery. Line voltage is upstream of an automatic transfer switch.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

JB50 posted:

Dont they usually have a line coming in so it knows when the power goes out to turn on?

Yes, that's part of the ATS, which I haven't seen as part of the genset.

The ATS or genset starter circuit should definitely be locked out if it will be worked on.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

FIRST TIME posted:

Does it really matter what's in that cabinet?

The point being that two tiny pieces of wood and a sandbag over a puddle of water would be lovely even if it was set up to access a pile of pillows?

It's OSHA alright, just probably not for electrical reasons. Someone doesn't want to get their feet wet.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Gorilla Salad posted:

I swear there used to be a bunch of images going around the web of some sort of junction box which was literally crammed full of snakes having a snake orgy.

My google-fu has failed me, although I did find a tonne of pictures with a single snake hiding in electrical boxes.

Also this:



Some kind of mud wasp?

Similar to mud daubers, my favorite OSHA bug. Bit of a backstory: The Hanford site in Washington State is where all plutonium production happened in the Cold War years. As you might expect, the place is a mess of a radioactive wasteland. Very expensive cleanup has been going on since the 90's.
Something the cleanup people are working with are 'fixants' - they affix contamination onto a surface. Say you have an underground valve pit for radioactive waste and it has radioactive dust all over everything. Trying to clean it (well) in place is crazy, so you spray a fixant on it.
Sometime in the mid/late 90's, a new fixant was looking very promising. It kept contamination levels down and was easy to apply and work with.
A few months after first use, however, stray bits of radioactivity were picked up in the nearest town, Richland, which is about 15 miles away. This increased over the summer. After some sleuthing, the culprit was found to be the mud dauber wasp. The new fixant contained glucose and the mud daubers took a liking to it. Then they'd spread out and build nests elsewhere. After a few months, they had finally gotten far enough away to be noticed.
The contamination was cleaned up and a different fixant used.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
The contamination problems at Hanford are usually tied to tumbleweeds (because they have very deep roots in an early part of their life cycle and suck a lot of nasty out of the ground), mice (because they eat everything), rabbits, and wasps.
Every animal that is killed on the reservation - over 550 square miles - is brought to a lab to be autopsied, stored, and eventually disposed of at the local rad waste processor. There's a herd of elk nearly 1,000 strong on site. They get hit by cars regularly.
I worked on site for a few years. It was the most miserable work experience I've ever had. Everyone is a WASP with conservative mindset. While sucking on the government teat, it's quite amazing.

I am glad I got out of there.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Hah, I didn't notice that when writing it. To be fair, the middle-aged white guys are really good at tracking contamination everywhere.
In 2004, I watched Bill Nye being made to take off his pants because an HP (Health-Physics tech, deals with radiation & contamination) detected a speck of contamination on it after he tried exiting the refueling floor at the Columbia Generating Station nuclear power plant. He was doing recording for some future show.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Here's a great read with regards to criticality accidents. The term refers to a situation in which the neutron balance in a nuclear material is severely out of whack, in a very bad way - more neutrons produced than neutron absorbed, leading to an uncontrolled chain reaction. Usually the reaction will fizzle out because the geometry gets blown out (literally) or some neutron poison is introduced. If the criticality is energetic enough, it will produce Cherenkov radiation. It's like a sonic boom, but for energetic particles. The particle in question will travel faster than the phase velocity for the medium it is traveling in.

If you see it, you're likely going to die. This is what killed Harry Daghlian in 1944 and Louis Slotin in 1945, likely the very first radiation victims of nuclear weapons.
Anyways, it's a great and ghastly read.

E: I probably got Cherenkov details all wrong, as pointed out by helpful goons below.

TotalLossBrain fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Mar 15, 2016

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

haveblue posted:

If nuclear materials are submerged in more than a few feet of water, you can stare at the cool blue glow all day with no problems.

I should have added "without a few feet of water shielding".
But then again, I messed up the details about it anyhow.

TotalLossBrain fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Mar 15, 2016

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Here's a nice OSHA. For reference, the kid is about 5'9"-5'10".
I guess it's fine, but I've certainly never seen a pole that low to the ground before.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
The rail line is actually in the drop behind the pole.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

fyodor posted:

That's interesting about getting separated from your formation but how does that even happen when they are so close to each other? The mysteries of flight are unknowable!!

Not sure if you're being serious or facetious, but here are a few reasons why formations separated.
1. They were long flights with hundreds of planes taking off from multiple airfields over several hours. They would meet at pre-determined rendezvous points. Now consider that radio silence and no lights were often required and navigation happened via manual instruments and you start realizing how tough it is to actually keep the formation.

2. Multi-engine planes (like all or nearly all WWII bombers) could develop trouble with one or more engines and start falling back. Or a landing gear wouldn't retract fully or the gear doors don't close - not enough to abort perhaps, but certainly enough to fall out of formation.

3. Bombers taking off from Britain had a fighter escort for only a short while. During much of their flight over the continent, they were unprotected except for by their on-board weaponry. Attacks by German fighters or FLAK could damage a plane enough to take it out of formation, but not enough to cause a crash.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

El Gar posted:

How long till all the hydroelectric dams break open?

That probably depends a lot on when in the year people disappear. If the spill gates are fully open, they might last a while.
If they are closed, the first decent spring melt will overflow the dams and cause rapid erosion over the top.

*Not a dam engineer.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Gabelstapler. Fork-stacker, really.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
That's a pretty common setup. Some are single bolt, some are dual. The singles are easier to adjust. :)

vv Both pieces somewhat interlock with ridged surfaces. So when that single bolt fell out, there was probably enough holding force there to prevent wiggling and tipping you off. Instead, it waited and bucked you off. :haw:

TotalLossBrain fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Apr 28, 2016

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

The Locator posted:

Today's safety lesson - you should actually maintain your bicycle periodically, including checking tension on critical fasteners. :v:

No, let's go with a Huffy instead. For safety.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

EugeneJ posted:

Shoving an egg up your rear end and getting it back out without breaking it should be an olympic sport

No it shouldn't.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

I like that Piasecki has that project on their website, but makes absolutely no mention of what happened. In fact, they seem to continue to swoon over it?
http://www.piasecki.com/heavylift_pa97.php

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Hot Karl Marx posted:

lol shut the gently caress up. When poo poo goes wrong, who dies? The operator, so yeah, i think its in our best interests to know what is going on. If you were smart you would know the people pushing operators to cut costs and use short cuts are the management cause we get paid by the hour and don't care how long things take. Stop acting like your 10x as smart as the the people operatering the equipment cause you guys don't have to to maintenance or repairs either and that poo poo is designed by a retard most of the time.

get off your high loving horse you rear end


edit: this screams of "i know thing that no one else does so im more important" rather than just trying to help everyone

osha.txt


Hubis posted:

In what situation would knowing how far above the maximum load rating the ideal failure point was be useful?


When operatering the equipment.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
That's quite the wake.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Karma Monkey posted:

What is that?

Wires that were seriously nicked by the dumbass stripping the insulation off it. A very likely point of failure in the near future, especially if that set of wires experiences any motion. And then you have live conductors just having off into space.

Edit: Also it looks like one of them doesn't even go into the terminal block and stops just short of it.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Phanatic posted:

Skin depth in copper at 60 Hz is almost a centimeter. All that wire is carrying current.

8.4 mm to be exact (depending on a couple complex factors). So a wire can be almost 3/4 inch thick and most of it will be carrying current.
However, the pictured wires are stranded, not solid. Each strand is its own solid wire, but much smaller than 8.4 mm. So really the whole wire is carrying current, regardless of how thick the bundle is. :science:

TotalLossBrain fucked around with this message at 22:56 on May 12, 2016

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Phanatic posted:

It's for sufficiently-low values of "nuclear waste" and "emergency evacuation."

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/05/emergency_reported_at_hanford.html

No released contamination/activity has been detected. Tunnel with old contaminated poo poo collapsed. That's pretty much all. I imagine they'll put a couple tons of dirt on it and worry about it later. There isn't any nuclear material in those tunnels. They are these old railroad tunnels that were built next to a giant radiochemical processing plant. Whenever they'd have a bunch of hot equipment (contaminated), they'd shove it into these tunnels. They're a few hundred feet long and very shallow.



Circled is the entrance to the tunnel.

I've seen various news comment sections worry about the jet stream spreading untold amounts of radioactive doom all the way to Massachusetts. It's hilariously dumb.
DOE Update:

quote:

As we noted in an earlier CNS message, the Hanford Site’s 200 East Area is under a take cover after an Alert was declared. Here’s an update from Hanford at 10:37:

DOE activated the Hanford Emergency Operations Center at 8:26 a.m., after an alert was declared. Officials are responding to reports of a cave-in of a 20-foot section of a tunnel that is hundreds of feet long that is used to store contaminated materials. The tunnel is located next to the Plutonium Uranium Extraction Facility, also known as PUREX, which is located in the center of the Hanford Site in an area known as the 200 East Area. There is no indication of a release of contamination at this point, Crews are continuing to survey the area for contamination.

Actions taken to protect site employees include:
• As a precaution, workers in the vicinity of the PUREX facility as well as the Hanford Site north of the Wye Barricade (southern entrance to the site) have been told to shelter in-place
• Access to the 200 East Area of the Hanford Site, which is located in the center of the Hanford Site, has been restricted to protect employees
Hanford is providing updates at their Hanford.gov website. Click on the Hanford Emergency (red) banner at the top.

At PNNL, we have modified operations in the 3425 Building (Shallow Underground Laboratory) as a precautionary measure to protect the ultra-low-level detection research capability. As noted by Hanford, at this time there is no indication of a release of contamination.

Edit: Pic of tunnel and collapsed area:

https://twitter.com/AnnaKingN3/status/862025311713501184

TotalLossBrain fucked around with this message at 20:30 on May 9, 2017

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

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DirtRoadJunglist posted:

It's probably nothing to be alarmed about in the moment, but it does give us yet another example of a Hanford structural fuckup. That place is a disaster waiting to happen, though the worst that could probably happen is a major release of radioactivity into the Columbia River. They've already had problems with waste meeting groundwater in some of the underground storage facilities. And insects. Wasn't it ants carrying radioactivity around the city some decades ago?

Mud wasps - and I am pretty sure that was the only incident like that. Occasionally techs find contaminated tumble weeds, rabbits, and rats. But that's pretty rare.

The single shell tanks have been past their design life for decades. The double shell tanks are just now passing their design life span and at least one of them has started leaking. Groundwater movement to the river is very well monitored. The existing contamination of the Columbia didn't come from leaking tanks. It was a result of operating a bunch of plutonium production reactors with open-loop, single-pass cooling from the river. :allears: 14k curies released each day in the heyday of operations.
But you're right - the tanks are falling apart with the vitrification plant still at least a decade from operating. And even when it starts, there's no guarantee it will work. There are some, umm problems.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

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Phanatic posted:

Sorry, that's nonsense. He was the governor of Texas, where Pantex is located, you can bet the governor of the state where our nuclear weapons are actually manufactured is aware of the DOE's role in that. The very day he was nominated, he stated that he was eager to "safeguard our nuclear arsenal." What you're referring to was a false story, a claim from an unnamed source with nothing to back it up and plenty to contradict it:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/the-times-may-have-launched-a-false-rumor-about-rick-perry.html

Note that that's NY Magazine, not Brietbart or WND or any nonsense like that.

There is a whole lot more to DOE's nuclear role than weapons, which is what Pantex is (which is also still active, another rarity in the DOE complex).
The far larger part is cleanup and remediation at former sites all over the country. From what I've seen (local media, internal memos), he knew zilch about that part of DOE's mission.
However, he seems eager to learn about it and doesn't seem to be doing as badly as the rest of Trump's picks, so there's that. Not that it's a high bar to clear.

TotalLossBrain fucked around with this message at 03:31 on May 10, 2017

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

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SniperWoreConverse posted:

yeah but wouldn't it have only needed to get keyed in once and then be ok? I mean obviously not because it blew the gently caress up, but I would have thought after the first time it would be fine.

Lets say I'm 1° out of phase with the grid, but my three phases are all correct relative to each other, and the grid kicks in and pops me one. Wouldn't that be enough to keep me in phase with the grid from then on, or is the damage from that first shot enough that the generator will start walking its phases around relative to grid? I mean after that first shot the phases all start to be like 1° off again, a while later 2°, etc. Then you kick the grid back in and it re-slams the generator back to 0°.

Or do some generators naturally walk around over time and it would be no big deal on the island but an obvious problem if there's grid presence? I feel like there's probably some kind of hosed up problem that would occur if your running various industrial stuff off of a generator that is slowly rolling its phase around. I mean who cares about lighting but there's probably some hosed up poo poo that could go down if you have motors and stuff that need to be in the correct position for whatever process to work.

Can residential generators be out of phase with the grid (i guess regular house power is 1-phase, but they still have a phase seeing as it's whatever Hz AC)?


Opening the breaker is like putting the transmission into neutral but the motor is still going. And now that it's unloaded it will speed up quite a bit. A single degree of phase difference corresponds to just 46 microseconds. As the Wiki article notes, the only reason it took 3 minutes to blow that 2.25 MW genset was that they stopped after each open/close cycle to briefly assess damage. Had they not paused the whole thing would have been over in seconds.

I work in the field and know/have worked with the guys who ran that attack.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

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Groda posted:

This can't possibly be universally true. Enercon's ring generator turbines have all those poles to run closer to 50 Hz.

The reason for Enercon's high number of poles is the gearless design. Other wind turbines uses gearboxes to bring the generator speed up higher than the blade speed. Generally speaking, you want to drive a generator at a decent speed. If you're turning a generator slower, then having a higher number of poles is a good thing.
But gearbox or not, wind turbines do not operate at a fixed speed (very well). They operate within a fixed range of wind speeds which turn the rotor at different speeds. The output from this is DC. Big semiconductor inverters turn that back into grid-frequency AC.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

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Responsible firearms owners, no doubt.
Something caught my attention in the article:

quote:

The remote area, 160 kilometres from Seattle, is close to land in Oregon where armed anti-government activists seized and occupied the wildlife refuge headquarters for more than a month.

The two areas are over 400 miles/ 650 km apart, or 7 hours of driving

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

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The only thing that article really says it's that the hunters denied shooting at firefighters and that they were instead repeatedly shooting at bears and kept missing. Imo there is no conflict between the first and second article.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

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Relentless posted:

Here's a bit more balanced article:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/2-hunters-cited-after-firing-rifles-toward-wildland-firefighters-near-white-pass/

At BEST they're a couple of jackasses who were hunting in an area closed due to fire danger taking potshots at animals fleeing from the flames.

If I was in charge, I'd take their guns and give 'em community service working the fireline next year, but I'm just some idiot from Montana who grew up on venison and elk, so what do I know?

Eh like any Yakima county official is going to do anything about good ole boy stuff lmao

Qualifier: I live a couple counties over and that county is as redneck as it gets.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

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Synthbuttrange posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-25/old-ammunition-explodes-after-being-collected-on-nsw-beach/10301674

World War II ammunition collected by a man at a Port Stephens beach has exploded and inflicted injuries on him and his four-year-old daughter.

The man was playing with the old ammunition he found, police said.

I do not understand why people do this poo poo. I'm reading a book about the X-15 plane right now and it has a short section in it about a guy finding an old 88mm shell and keeping it around on his farm. Some time later he and another guy are working on a fence and they only have one hammer. So, guy goes looking for a suitable object to substitute for a hammer and starts hammering on the fencing nails with an old, unexploded artillery shell.
Of course it goes off, maiming both of them terribly.
Just....WHY? What about "use an old, unexploded shell as a hammer" seems like an idea worthy of consideration?

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

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I wonder what he expected would happen.

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TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

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It'll be like that scene in Contact when Jake Busey blows up the alien teleporter.

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