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WickedHate posted:Frank Castle is not Chris Kyle. No, but Chris Kyle loves Frank Castle, so much so that his unit in Iraq was named The Punishers, and he used the Punisher logo for his company after he retired from the military.
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The Punisher emblem is boss as hell though.
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redbackground posted:I saw a bunch of these stickers to buy at a gas station yesterday: That won't turn out well. 
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Toph Bei Fong posted:No, but Chris Kyle loves Frank Castle, so much so that his unit in Iraq was named The Punishers, and he used the Punisher logo for his company after he retired from the military. Hitler liked animals and ate sugar, man.
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Mar 31, 2016 21:41
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WickedHate posted:Hitler liked animals and ate sugar, man.
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Mar 31, 2016 21:41
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Oh, goody, another avatar from Dickeye.
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Mar 31, 2016 21:49
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You idiot mother fuckers, stop engaging WickedHate
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Mar 31, 2016 21:50
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Lurdiak posted:Oh, goody, another avatar from Dickeye.
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Mar 31, 2016 21:50
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It's fine. I am the eternal shore, he will crash upon me and be broken.
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bobkatt013 posted:Why decides what's moral and what's not? You are basically saying that we should get rid of the courts and have public executions It'd be a bit like this.
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Frank Castle is a jerk!
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DrProsek posted:Frank Castle is a jerk! I wonder if longtime Punisher fans hate the Netflix version since they gave him brain damage as a way of explaining why he's doing his thing.
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Punisher has been the universally praised part of it, I honestly haven't seen a single complaint. There was a dude in the thread that said eps 3/4 sucked which was...unusual.
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They probably hate it because Frank makes mistakes and is shown to be wrong occasionally.
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I've been playing with the quickest, crappiest version of the image-restyling neural network thing that's all the rage in GBS, and here's what happens when you take H. R. Giger and give it a kick of the ol' Kirby flair: And here's what happens when you take that Giger/Kirby mash-up and use it as the style image for a different comic panel:  p neato, I thought.
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WickedHate posted:Hitler liked animals and ate sugar, man.  In-universe this is explained away later by a shittier writer as Frank being drugged in prison, despite him being lucid enough to actually formulate an escape, but this is literally Frank's moral compass and social commentary at its most bare. No pretensions that he's a cool antihero who solves problems, no violent power fantasies. Just vigilante punishment straight from the barrel. Also, congratulations Lurdiak.
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zoux posted:Punisher has been the universally praised part of it, I honestly haven't seen a single complaint. There was a dude in the thread that said eps 3/4 sucked which was...unusual. I understand and agree that Netflix Frank is awesome. But as Lurdiak ssys it has him be wrong and make mistakes. And the whole thing is started by brain damage which makes sense since the guys with huge Frank Castle obsessions also appear to be brain damaged.
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Squizzle posted:I've been playing with the quickest, crappiest version of the image-restyling neural network thing that's all the rage in GBS, and here's what happens when you take H. R. Giger and give it a kick of the ol' Kirby flair:
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Ghostlight posted:
You can't judge a character by every panel from every writer from every era or we'd all be putting all superheroes on trial for the horribly racist poo poo they got up to decades ago. "He shoots litterers too haha" is a really childish interpretation of the concept by whoever wrote that. Though either way using fiction to prove a point irl is bad. I find Ennis clowning on Daredevil and Spider-Man really, really obnoxious, but I could post those panels to prove why Castle rules and they drool. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Mar 31, 2016 |
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WickedHate posted:Frank Castle is not Chris Kyle. nope. If you want to murder somebody, the correct thing to do is: don't murder
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Squizzle posted:I've been playing with the quickest, crappiest version of the image-restyling neural network thing that's all the rage in GBS, and here's what happens when you take H. R. Giger and give it a kick of the ol' Kirby flair: those are just ugly messes
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WickedHate posted:You can't judge a character by every panel from every writer from every era or we'd all be putting all superheroes on trial for the horribly racist poo poo they got up to decades ago. "He shoots litterers too haha" is a really childish interpretation of the concept by whoever wrote that. Racism isn't illegal, but you know this and you're just fishing for responses.
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WickedHate posted:You can't judge a character by every panel from every writer from every era or we'd all be putting all superheroes on trial for the horribly racist poo poo they got up to decades ago. "He shoots litterers too haha" is a really childish interpretation of the concept by whoever wrote that. but your point is that if the fictional character the Punisher was real, that would be cool and good. It wouldn't be, the Punisher is a Bad Guy
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The cosmos in the style of a photo of Kirby: Kirby cosmic, best cosmic.
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Aphrodite posted:Racism isn't illegal, but you know this and you're just fishing for responses. We'd be judging them by those standards. My point is if you treat a character with that kind of age and varied viewpoints behind them like a real person you're setting out to take down you can cherry pick any drat thing to support your argument, and to support an argument in favor of them for that matter too. Which is more valid? Slap a Jap Superman or All Star Superman? They're not exactly the same person. boom boom boom posted:but your point is that if the fictional character the Punisher was real, that would be cool and good. He's not real though. Thanks to the conveniences of fiction innocent people never get in the crossfire and his adventures result in a net positive for everyone involved. Obviously if someone emulated him they wouldn't have an author dictating everything work out, like how the Hulk never hurts anyone in his rampages when "if he were real" he'd leave scores dead in his wake.
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Just stop, wickedhate
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WickedHate posted:He's not real though. Thanks to the conveniences of fiction innocent people never get in the crossfire and his adventures result in a net positive for everyone involved. Obviously if someone emulated him they wouldn't have an author dictating everything work out, like how the Hulk never hurts anyone in his rampages when "if he were real" he'd leave scores dead in his wake. So what on earth is your actual point? If you admit that a IRL Punisher would kill innocent people, even if you think some dude just murdering random criminals is totally great and cool, you should be opposed to the idea of a IRL Punisher
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boom boom boom posted:So what on earth is your actual point? If you admit that a IRL Punisher would kill innocent people, even if you think some dude just murdering random criminals is totally great and cool, you should be opposed to the idea of a IRL Punisher I don't know how the concept of an IRL Punisher got injected into what I was saying but I never said "boy howdy if only some rando with a dead family could put on a bulletproof vest and go to town". I was objecting to the Chris Kyle comparison, or that he's bad character because Chris Kyle liked him, or because in one issue from decades he ago he tried killing someone for littering. That's it. Nothing else.
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WickedHate posted:I don't know how the concept of an IRL Punisher got injected into what I was saying but I never said "boy howdy if only some rando with a dead family could put on a bulletproof vest and go to town". I was objecting to the Chris Kyle comparison, or that he's bad character because Chris Kyle liked him, or because in one issue from decades he ago he tried killing someone for littering. That's it. Nothing else. WickedHate posted:Theoretically speaking if someone has intense urges to do violence and the like, Punisher-ing is a good direction to aim that in, assuming it's not racially or nationalistically motivated or something.
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The Punisher is a bad character. Chris Kyle liked him. Not the same thought.
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WickedHate posted:You can't judge a character by every panel from every writer from every era or we'd all be putting all superheroes on trial for the horribly racist poo poo they got up to decades ago. "He shoots litterers too haha" is a really childish interpretation of the concept by whoever wrote that. I would argue it is the most mature interpretation possible of his character, as it highlights very succinctly why and how Punisher is a broken, dangerous, man who does not belong and cannot contribute to a functioning society.
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The context was Ennis' Punisher's motivations. I'm sorry you got confused about comics being talked about in the comic book forum. Ghostlight posted:Actually the idea that the correct response to societal problems like drugs and theft is execution of the individuals involved is the childish one. The panels aren't "wow, Punisher is so stupid" - they're intentionally illustrating the slippery slope of responding to every crime with punishment rather than solving the root causes. The writer's intentions are very clear when you consider that Frank moves from wounding for domestic abuse because it illustrates a violent nature of the person that may later turn to more severe violence, to punishing the abstract "crime against society" which has no direct victim, and finally opening fire on the cabby for running a red light - punishing a crime he himself directly caused to occur. It is not intended to be Spidey Super Stories: Feat. Punisher. It's direct social commentary on crime and punishment, which is what the best Punisher stories consist of - it is simply made so obvious that people nurturing violent natures cannot mistake it for endorsing their urges as correct and appropriate. This is a nice point and I enjoyed reading this perspective. I still think it's kind of...cartoonish? I mean, it works if the premise is that Frank is just totally unhinged, but as I've made clear the Frank I like to read about has narrative failsafes in there. Still, good commentary. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Apr 1, 2016 |
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Someone posts that they wouldn't want to hang out with Punisher fans and then we get a demonstration why. It's perfect.
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I'm just glad that once again I did nothing wrong and all drama was a result of people jumping down my throat over misinterpreting what I said, as always.
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I don't actually believe that someone as steeped in comics as WH doesn't understand the philosophical underpinning of the entire cape book genre, why heroes don't kill.
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Madkal posted:Oh yes, 31 March. The most nefarious date in the modern calendar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHvlSgN0oIM
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zoux posted:I don't actually believe that someone as steeped in comics as WH doesn't understand the philosophical underpinning of the entire cape book genre, why heroes don't kill. I don't wanna talk about this subject any deeper than an individual character because everytime it comes up and I add my opinion to the discussion it turns into a shitfest that I feel bad about causing. Getting a plat upgrade is on my to do list tho so then maybe if anyone wants to shoot PMs back and forth that'd be neat.
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here's a cool gif I made from an episode of Batman: The Animated Series
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boom boom boom posted:here's a cool gif I made from an episode of Batman: The Animated Series No dude this is Batman 
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