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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Tatum Girlparts posted:

The Clinton white house was literally the first time in American history we had a white house actively on our side in basically any way. First major (out) gay appointments, major pushes for HIV/AIDS coverage in medical benefits, hell they were even on the 'hey maybe stop bullying gay kids, I bet that's not good for them' train long before everyone else. We literally had people giving impassioned rants about how the clinton white house was the 'most pro-gay administration ever' as a slam on them.

This has gotten me thinking of what was the very first time I ever saw a, well if not positive, but a non-negative view of a gay person in popular media.

I read a lot as a kid and found many gay characters who were treated as actual people, but on TV and in movies in the 70s and 80s they were either limp-wristed effetes specialising in interior decorating, or leather-clad perverts waiting to pounce on any poor innocent man who came too close.


It's incredibly difficult to think of a single example before the 90s where a gay person could be on TV or film as anything other than a stereotype, and usually a negative one.

The closest I could recall were "A Very Special Episode" style things where an existing show would have a gay character on, usually with AIDS, so that the main characters could show how enlightened and tolerant they were by not calling for that person to be driven out of town or burned at the stake.

In one episode of the original 21 Jump Street, they had to look after a kid with AIDS who was being attacked. I still remember when he told Johnny Depp's character, "Well you can get it from blood transfusions or you can get it by being gay. And I haven't been in hospital lately." All so shocking. An actual gay!


In fact, I'm still trying to think of a positive or neutral portrayal of a regular character who was gay back then. There's obviously Will & Grace, but I'm not including that for two reasons - one it was in 1998, second it that had that loving horrible shibboleth cutout character.


Well, Teen Wolf with everyone's favourite actor Michael J Fox came out in 1988

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57SSuRbQDxE&t=14s


I'll keep looking.

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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And the loving sad thing is that's not even in the top 50 worst comics he's done.

But he usually confines his cartoons to his hatred for black people.








Published in just about every Murdoch owned paper in Australia.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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But now the bigots can't push to have antivillification legislation suspended so that they can go full hate speech against gay people :ohdear:


Our poor Attorney-General George "why can't I call them niggers?" Brandis must be turning in his loving grave at this historic injustice. Treating anyone who's not a straight, white, rich man with anything other than contempt and grinding them into the dirt goes against everything the LNP believes in.

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Nov 7, 2016

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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I remember under Bush II when Republicans just stopped even pretending to give a poo poo about fairness and decency. The one case that springs foremost to mind is the Republican chair of a committee who, when he didn't like how things were going, grabbed his gavel and ran out of the room so that no motions could be passed.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Aleph Null posted:

How much of that was from "progressives" not voting for Hillary because she wasn't Bernie?

From the picture thread:



Trump didn't win it, Clinton lost it.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Let's get some good loving news in here:

quote:

Taiwan set to legalise same-sex marriage

Taiwan could become the first Asian country to pass same-sex marriage laws.

Taiwanese parliamentarians have begun work on three bills in support of marriage equality, one of which is already listed for review and could be passed within months.


President Tsai Ing-wen, Taiwan's first female head of state, said as recently as October she supported same-sex marriage.

Yu Mei-nu, a ruling Democratic Progressive Party MP who is sponsoring the same-sex marriage bill now in line for parliamentary debate, said it would be a big step forward for human rights in the region.

If successful, Taiwan would join countries such as Canada, Colombia, and Ireland that have legalised same-sex marriage over the past 15 years.

It would though be a notable exception among Asian and Middle Eastern countries, at least 20 of which continue to ban same-sex intercourse.

Growing support among younger Taiwanese

The Taiwan LGBT Family Rights Advocacy group said about 80 per cent of Taiwanese people between the ages of 20 and 29 support same-sex marriage, citing local university studies.

In a 2012 survey, Taiwan's United Daily News found 55 per cent of the public supported same-sex marriage, with 37 per cent opposed.

Those figures could reflect Taiwan's ready acceptance of multi-party democracy and other inclusive attitudes, as well as the fact Taiwan's 23 million people largely follow Buddhism and traditional Chinese religions that take no strong positions on sexual orientation or gay marriage.

Taiwan best China :allears:

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Okay, that's news to me. I'm not American, so I don't hear every horrible thing the Republicans do.

In Australian politics there's a saying "we don't vote governments in, we vote them out", so I was definitely looking at that graph through that lens.

What happened to voting rights?

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Save time and put them in schools.

Every school councillor now has a large metal cage to hold all deviant deviant students.


Image of actual cage used in Australian school*








* don't worry, it's only for containing the mentally handicapped.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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So a character in a shooty game has come out as lesbian in a single panel in an online comic.

Internet nerds react in exactly the way you'd expect.

Here's a 114 page thread about how this character being gay is disgusting, but totally not in a homophobic way, though. The first post is great and supportive and from a lesbian who plays the game, it gets progressively worse.


EDIT - well that was quick. Blizzard has gone in and deleted all the really nasty stuff. Good for them.

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Dec 21, 2016

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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quote:

Tracer was my waifu when I first saw her delicious butt. She's not gay to me and this comic can go to hell.


Lottery of Babylon managed to grab a bunch of posts before they were deleted.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Control Volume posted:

Activism is about pushing the envelope further, and I dont think we should just settle for having a couple good asses on video game men. Im proposing all male characters in video games have excellent asses, the best available.

:nws: for Oglaf

https://i.imgur.com/WxmXarm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/85jdRbJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yJPVUxq.jpg

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Krysmphoenix posted:

Just once I'd like to see LGBT rights get protected but that exact same argument. By removing LGBT protections you are violating my religious freedom to believe that LGBT folk are human and should be treated with basic dignity, including the right to not die.

Religious freedoms should end at "you can believe what you want, but you can't do what you want."

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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So the question is whether the GOP is vindictive enough to cut off their own nose to spite their face?

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Yes, just as I saw the same drat thing happen in Australia :(

All because a state anti-corruption watchdog was too successful and found a tonne of corrupt politicians - most of whom were from the right wing party which currents hold power. To no one's surprise.

So they fired the head of the commission and nixed the proposed federal watchdog.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Isn't there some internet law about straight white guys can do anything and no one cares, but if a minority does something then they represent every single member of their group.

Straight white guys hates on women and immigrants? Wow, that guy's a jerk.

Gay guy hates on women and immigrants? Wow, all gay men are such jerks!

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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^^^ Still doing it. Please don't.

The word you're looking for is "she".

Mr. Nice! posted:

I edited the post before you responded because i didnt want to derail with misgendering.

And chose to play the pronoun game, I noticed.

Been a while since I've seen someone do that online - outside of people still in the closet to family/friends.

Doing it on the internet to someone you know identifies as a woman is something that belongs in the past.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Aleph Null posted:

Any LGBT friends they have are probably wealthy enough to weather the storm without explicit legal protections.

"As I do not personally require these protections, obviously they are not really needed, thus no one should have them."

- Wealthy gay men and straight white women.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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hangedman1984 posted:

Gay panic becomes an acceptable legal defense again.

In Queensland, it never stopped :sigh:

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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From the schadenfreude thread:

chitoryu12 posted:

kfor.com/2017/03/20/secret-service-helping-with-the-investigation-into-oklahoma-sen-ralph-shortey/amp/

Republican Senator Ralph Shortey, who had voted in favor of an anti-transgender bathroom bill, has been caught loving an underage teenage boy.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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But the important thing to remember is that, now Ivvy has made a public effort to fight her father's rampant bigotry, her fashion business won't be too badly affected.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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I wish I could say our archbishop would never allow such things, but he's currently on the run from the law and hiding in Vatican City over all the children he raped.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Well poo poo :(

Trump’s Trans Military Ban Now Policy

quote:

President Donald Trump may be on a 17- day vacation but his White House has been scrambling to hand him a “win” by the time he returns. Trump’s tweets last week announcing a ban on transgender individuals serving openly in the U.S. military was turned into a “guidance” policy for implementation that passed muster with the White House Counsel’s office Friday night. Approved by Trump, the new policy is expected to be now delivered into the hands of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, who has been quiet on the issue with approximately 15,000 trans servicemembers under his command.

After his review, Mattis is expected to order a deliberate implementation by the Pentagon, which could take a period of time.

Though the policy—called “A Guidance Policy for Open Transgender Service Phase Out”—has not yet been made public, sources familiar with the planning said it would encourage early retirement, usher out any enlisted personnel after their contract is up, and would fire trans officers up for promotion. Basically, said a source, “the administration want to get rid of transgender servicemembers as fast as they can.”

No one yet knows what will happen to the servicemembers currently fighting in combat. The new policy does allow trans servicemembers to continue serving but apparently does not offer any protection from harassment or other efforts to get them to quit.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Breakdown of voting:





All things considered, some really loving good results.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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So it looks like Australia is getting marriage equality today.


By the most insane ways possible, and may topple the current government, but it's happening.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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This is why it could gently caress the government.

[effort post incoming]

Recently Australia had a postal plebiscite to say if they wanted LGBT people to be able to marry. It came back with a very strong yes (see my post just above with the handy pic) but the current party in power, the LNP, is a regressive right wing party.

It does have a progressive faction, but the main lot are lovely bigots and they can oust the Prime Minister if he doesn't do what they want. The PM is the leader of the party in power, if the party votes him out, he's no longer Prime Minister and can be replaced by whomsoever the party decides. Sounds messy, and it can be, but it also means we never end up with a Trump situation where the only way to remove him is to impeach him and everyone's too scared to be the first to suggest it.

So! After the plebiscite came back, a huge wave of support for gay marriage struck the country - and parliament, with several of the LNP senators saying they'd vote for it. Mainly because a majority of their electorates did and none want to be voted to the gutter come next election.

It looked like gay marriage was going to rush through the door. The bigots put up all the blocks they could, even pulling out the "Florists and bakers shouldn't have to cater for gay weddings" bullshit that got bandied about in the US before you got the right to marry there. But every lovely amendment they put forward was voted down by a 2:1 margin, much of this just last night.

This really upset the LNP bigots, because they REALLY don't want marriage equality and right now they're looking at their majority evaporating and losing their hold on power. So they did the only thing they could.

They suspended parliament.


Now at the same time as all this, another motion was working its way through parliament - a Royal Commission into banking. You know all the lovely stuff US banks were doing which led to the global financial crisis? Yeah, our banks are quietly trying to do that stuff right now, so a lot of people are worried and angry. Of course, the LNP, being the right wing business party, are pretty much owned by the banks (and mining) and the only thing they want less than gay people being recognised as people deserving of equal rights, is to have all their mates in the banking industry go to jail.

So Prime Minister Turnbull has two bits of legislation the people who keep him in power really don't want to see the light of day, but which are extremely popular. His need to keep his right wing base happy has cost him a lot of influence with literally everyone else, as well as the Independents who help his party keep a majority of seats. Turnbull may end up keeping his position as leader of the LNP but losing everything else, which is loving hilarious to me, but more on that a little later.

Now here's where a quirk of the Australian constitution comes into play. If one quarter of senators say parliament will sit, then it sits. No matter what the government says, no matter if they suspend parliament (which they did), no matter if they lock the doors to the chamber (which they did), if one in four senators decides to hold parliament then they can do so wherever the hell they please.

Sadly, this only applies to the lower house, not the upper. This means legislation can be brought forward and voted on, but no passed into law.

Right now, marriage equality is being voted on but can't be made law until an official sitting of parliament. Ditto with the banking enquiry.

But, having politicians so openly oppose the PM and putting forward this legislation is incredibly, incredibly embarrassing to him and his government and shows he's not in control and this is when all the poo poo of the Australian political system heaps up, ready to hit the fan.

Remember those right wing LNP bigots who voted the PM in? Right now they're probably meeting to decide whether to vote him out.

Several LNP members, who know if they do anything to oppose marriage equality they'll lose their seats, have openly stated they will cross the floor and vote against the party, at least one threatening to leave the LNP over it.

The LNP is a coalition which relies on several independents to keep the balance of power. They're talking about crossing the floor, too.

Those last two points means that the LNP may lose it's ability to govern. At this point, the opposition Labor Party can call a motion of no confidence. This means they believe the government can no longer govern. This goes to the Governor General who can dissolve parliament and call a new election.

Given how lovely Australians get when politicians gently caress about and do poo poo like this and how the current polls are going, this would mean that the LNP would lose power, probably for a very long time.

And, right now, there seems like no other choice than all that happening.


And if the loving bigots who did everything they could to see people denied their basic human rights ending up losing everything, well I'm pretty goddamn fine with that.

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Nov 29, 2017

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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And because it's loving hilarious:

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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DeathMuffin posted:

If nobody can, it ends up going to a new election. This power does become relevant in hung parliaments where coalitions can't be formed, and where a party loses half a dozen members through silly stuff like not making sure their candidates weren't dual-citizens *cough*

That's actually a really important point, though. And a delicious one.

The constitution says you can only be a federal politician if you are solely a citizen of Australia. Why? Because racism, naturally.

Well, something like 49% of Australians we either born overseas or are the child of someone who was, making us the most multicultural country ever. Which is great.

But, it means that if you want to be elected at a federal level in Australia you really need to check your family history. Of course, the born to rule types of the LNP didn't because they were all too arrogant and now they're currently getting slapped about by the supreme court because it turns out a whole bunch are actually dual citizens and didn't know it.

Oops.

More than half a dozen LNP senators - including the deputy PM himself - have been forced to resign.

This cost the LNP their majority. They were maintaining power through a coalition with independent senators but, as I said before, the independents all want marriage equality and an investigation into the banks.


So many tears to drink today.

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Mr. Nice! posted:

Australia is the most multi-cultured country on the planet? :lol:

You're right. I should have phrased that better.

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