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Toxxupation posted:I feel like you are being unnecessarily aggressive ("aggro"). I am just here to ask questions about if it is good or not, like my favorite TV shows Heroes, The Walking Dead, and The 100. You have to understand, it's just that when you ask how Person of Interest compares to Heroes, it's like going in to The Wire thread and asking if it is it like Law and Order.
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oohhboy posted:Sammy's guys have basically stopped thinking for themselves. They likely run on an opposite of God Mode where instead of getting information like Root and Reese, they get instructions with very little information attached to it. Exactly how Sammy and the machine have been shown to work. They get told to get on the bus, they go on the bus, they don't think about what the target is going to do. I just think those were the dumbest operatives, where one of the three didn't think to cover the only other egress from the bus. Or they figured they got the chump assignment, capturing the gimpped programmer, and didn't take it as seriously as they would have if they'd been going after Root or Reese. edit: Because let's face it, when they go back to Greer and say, "well, Samaritan didn't tell us to cover the back of the bus," that probably won't go over well.
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SpookyLizard posted:I also thought it was a little hokey that the FBI agent covering up the investigation at Samaritan's behest didn't falsify a ballistics report, but I could buy that he didn't know he was doing it or just that the orders came down from the FBI HQ to just sweep it under the rug and the false report hasn't come in yet. I can't recall if Samaritan lists him as an asset or not.
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May 8, 2016 14:26
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docbeard posted:I figure we'll have plenty of both in episodes to come, and I found that Samaritan wordlessly hunting for them was effective enough that I didn't mind. Maybe we're just seeing a consequence of the shortened season. I can see them possibly being killed as a potential write off if necessary, and they survive if there's more time. I could certainly see a situation where Dominic goes against Samaritan because he won't listen to anybody while Samaritan tries to enlist Elias because Samaritan can promise Elias his dominance over the underworld and the stability necessary to maintain it.
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Well someone at CIA didn't do the job right if top secret information was stored on a secret network.
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May 11, 2016 10:52
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docbeard posted:The way I see it, nothing much has really changed. John's police cover was never blown, and presumably Finch's wasn't either. Samaritan had them in its sights, but once it lost track of them, it couldn't find them again so long as they're careful. (Root is a special case, as previously discussed, but Samaritan had to track her indirectly too.) I'm guessing that the more people know to look, the more people there are to question what's going on. That's why Samaritan is building a cadre loyal to it. It can trust Greer and several hundred others, and manipulate one or two people at the right place and time with the right motivation. But enough people would get suspicious if you suddenly issue arrest warrants for individuals people know as a quiet, but decent cop and a math professor. At least enough to move along a line of possibility that Samaritan assesses to be non-preferable.
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May 12, 2016 12:08
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spaceships posted:so we're going to get an entire episode dedicated to leon's antics, right I just want 15 minutes from Bear's perspective, ala Pizza Dog from Hawkeye
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May 16, 2016 12:11
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docbeard posted:Yeah, it was a thing last year that Samaritan couldn't identify Shaw even after Martine pointed her out. Whether that's still the case, and whether or not Samaritan's developed other means of tracking Shaw, who knows? Shaw blew her cover with Samaritan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDD_StJ85Ok). Shaw, Reese, and Finch only have one cover identity and Samaritan can tag those identities with deviant behavior. It's why Reese has to wear a mask sometimes when he's going to be in a place with cameras doing Irrelevant ops.
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May 27, 2016 12:27
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THF13 posted:It's not a irrelevant number, but the Machine no longer has a team to handle relevant threats. Samaritan has been dealing with the relevant numbers but didn't in this case for reasons we don't know. Has anyone collected a bunch of high-res images of the Machine working?
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Jun 11, 2016 03:52
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Toxxupation posted:Except he was an incredibly boring character and they've literally already done the "Samaritan corrupts its agents" point via about a billion other much better characters, most notably Martine and Greer. He's a bad character, brought nothing new to the table, was characterized incredibly poorly for the near-entirety of season five, and deserved absolutely zero focus in the finale, much less the amount of screentime he actually did get. Were Martine and Greer corrupted characters though? Greer was pretty much always like that and Martine was introduced as a Shaw-like stone cold killer. I haven't listened to the commentary yet, but the only reason it seemed they like bothered with Blackwell was because they couldn't get Claire back. Martine and Greer never had moments where we saw them teeter or be indecisive about the morality of their actions. V-Men fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Toxxupation posted:I remember watching the finale and going "I'm entertained but I have very little loving idea what's going on", a feeling that only worsened as I spent time away from the finale and really thought about it critically. As a constructed narrative the finale is poor, makes little sense, impresses stakes poorly, and its developments are incredibly orchestrated to a level that reveals its own artifice. I still don't get why the police captain suddenly pulled his gun on Reese and Fusco (I guess he was dirty?), I don't know who or what ordered the hit on Reese and Fusco with the killsquad afterwards, and it was all just really pointless dross to give a reason for Reese and Fusco to meet with Finch when he could've just literally called both of them in. The police captain pulled his gun because, I assume, Samaritan tipped him off that Reese is the Man in the Suit, an incredibly dangerous vigilante. And he wanted him taken in. Samaritan probably also assigned the hit on Reese and Fusco because I think at that point it had targeted Team Machine for their deviant behaviors. After .EXE it looked like all their cover identities got blown and Samaritan was able to start tracking them. I'm just curious how Fusco kept his job considering he was in the room when his captain was choked out by a vigilante and an entire precinct full of cops trained their guns on them. Plus their escort detail was killed by a sniper. Also, why were there fiber optic lines leading into an air-gapped system?
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Jun 23, 2016 01:06
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GrandpaPants posted:I would say Simmons had a good death, it just wasn't a glorious one. But it was right. I thought Aaron Burr getting unceremoniously shot in the back by Greer was pretty appropriate for how his arc turned out. I feel the same way about Hersh's death. It wasn't glorious, but it was the only way he could go out.
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Jun 24, 2016 00:37
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evilmiera posted:This is all true, but there is still stuff I liked about the finale of the season at the very least. Mostly the completely awesome music when Finch was talking to the Machine, though. I've been one to complain about the season and some of the previous seasons stuff before, but I didn't think this last episode sucked at all, though it was wrapped up way too fast. It's not as if it resided on a single computer that could be scheduled to be shut down and booted up after two weeks. It exists on server farms that are permanently connected. Even if all those shut down, the physical connections couldn't be cut and there's no promising that Ice-9 couldn't still infect a computer upon booting. Did I miss the explanation why Samaritan's backup on an air-gapped machine still had fiber optic lines leading out?
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Jun 25, 2016 01:38
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BoneMonkey posted:Just powered through this whole show in like 3 weeks. What a ride! Think I liked season 2 the most followed closely by season 5. Well, they were still in a government facility. It's one thing for Samaritan to send its private goons after someone and conceal all evidence of its targeted killings using select operatives and tampering with computer records. It's another thing for Greer to literally discharge a gun in a government facility and then to have to dispose of the body.
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Jul 19, 2016 01:36
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Mr. Nemo posted:I can't believe no one has already sorted the episodes into relevant and irrelevant (har har) ones. It kept it consistent with the show's main premise is that no one is irrelevant and that every life they save is important. Leon more so than others obviously.
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Jerusalem posted:That's why I loved the episode where they guess (I don't think it's ever really specifically confirmed) that the Machine wanted them to kill that congressman. Harold, despite knowing all the horror and misery that leaving him alive will unleash, just refuses to do it. I can't remember if it happens before or after the flashback episode where Harold teaches the Machine chess and explains why he doesn't like the game, but it was just perfectly handled. I thought they stated outright that the Machine couldn't make the decision so it deferred to Finch.
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