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ungulateman posted:The quips were indeed on point. Wasn't very tense, though, let alone nigh-unbearable. Man...people just aren't ever gonna let this go; are they?
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DrVenkman posted:Yeah even on the news I'm pretty sure they were referred to as the 'Typically Reclusive' Wakanda. Yeah; it was framed as a Big drat Deal that there was a Wakandan delegation anywhere outside Wakanda at all.
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May 6, 2016 13:54
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Donde Esta posted:It's been a while since Age of Ultron - which part of Vision is Ultron? Ultron did something like 98% of the consciousness upload before the Avengers recovered the Cradle and did their own tinkering. It could very well be that he's got some Ultron in him.
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May 6, 2016 18:14
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Kurzon posted:This movie's plot is Tony finally accepting this and submitting himself to authority. Except even under the guise of cooperating with the Accords, he keeps doing his own thing and drat the consequences. He talked Ross into having 36 hours of free time to solve hints himself, he cut out the security systems in the prison to have a private conversation. Even when he's "submitting to authority" he can't let go of control. He does things his way every time.
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May 7, 2016 15:11
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Oh absolutely. But in a more basic way: what does Stark Industries even sell? (Besides helicarrier engines?) When was the last time we saw one of Stark's actual employees? The handful of labcoat guys in Ironman 1? Stark's company is in direct on-screen evidence at least as late as Winter Solider and mentioned in Age of Ultron; we see Maria Hill applying for a job there at the end of WS, and it's mentioned that she's an employee in AoU. That and Tony mentions using company funds to buy buildings, dispatch humanitarian aid, etc
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May 8, 2016 11:06
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ungulateman posted:'Stark Industries exist' is not up for debate, 'what does Stark Industries do is'. Energy research seems to be a big part of it. Before it became Avengers Tower, Stark Tower had 10 floors devoted to R&D and Tony claimed to be the biggest name in clean energy.
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May 8, 2016 13:02
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Yaws posted:I was real high before I saw this ( me and one of my homies rolled joints bigger than King Kongs fingers and smoked those ho's down to they're stingers) so I don't remember a lot of it but to do they state what the accords actually entail? The biggest part of the Accords in the film is that the Avengers would no longer be able to insert themselves into foreign situations on their own authority; they would be deployed by a UN committee. Anyone failing to sign the accords would be forced to retire from the Avengers organization; so presumably there's some manner of "approved member" roster. In addition, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. revealed that the accords also gave the government authority to catalog and register all known Inhumans.
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May 21, 2016 17:48
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enraged_camel posted:No one who matters cares about Agent Carter, though. It is explicitly part of the MCU
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May 23, 2016 22:25
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feedmyleg posted:Kinda. It's spun off from it, but handled by a different (and by some accounts, rival) division within Marvel. The movies don't care if something was used in one of the shows. Just because they haven't done anything contradictory yet doesn't mean they're not going to in the future. Especially when it comes to Inhumans and Agents of SHIELD. Why would they contradict something that's explicitly part of the same continuity though? I mean, small inconsistencies will pop up in any media franchise like this, where more than one author is making story decisions, but they aren't going to just steamroll over anything.
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May 23, 2016 22:48
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enraged_camel posted:It's well-established that the movies don't care about or even acknowledge what happens on the TV shows. For example, Agents of SHIELD calls people with powers "Inhumans," but when the Avengers are attacked by Quicksilver while they're assaulting Strucker's base, they use the term "Enhanced". And no one in the movies ever mentions any of the events that happen on the TV show, even when said events involve Hive, who poses a very serious threat to the entire planet, something you'd think the Avengers would be aware of. Quicksilver isn't an Inhuman though. He was experimented on by Hydra, and got his powers from their work with the scepter. Inhumans are something completely different. Edit: not everyone with powers is an inhuman. Inhumans probably qualify as "enhanced" though. jivjov fucked around with this message at 00:02 on May 24, 2016 |
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May 23, 2016 23:56
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enraged_camel posted:Sigh... Explicit acknowledgement or not, the TV shows are still in the same continuity, and explicitly so.
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May 24, 2016 04:40
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enraged_camel posted:My point was that Agent Carter is a Bad Show. Then jivjov misinterpreted it and said "No! Marvel clearly cares! Continuity!!!" and I went with it because it was entertaining. Agent Carter was a fantastic show. And I'm sad that I have to use the past tense for it.
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May 24, 2016 05:15
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Plus he found out that Bucky killed his parents while currently in the same room as Bucky and wearing a suit of power armor. Had he found out, say, at home and not currently on a mission, he may have been able to process his anger and grief a little bit better.
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May 28, 2016 03:06
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Guy A. Person posted:I agree with this although I still think the crux of the issue is whether or not you are able to side with Tony. I certainly understand his reaction, but still think it's bad and can't condone it Yeah; I don't think anyone is supposed to condone it.
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May 28, 2016 13:43
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Iron Man 2 is also technically Hulk 3 What? Hulk doesn't even appear in Iron Man 2 (edit: unless he's briefly glimpsed in the news footage on the screens at the end), and even if he did, Incredible Hulk is the film immediately preceding Iron Man 2, how would IM2 be Hulk 3?
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May 31, 2016 11:27
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LesterGroans posted:He's including Ang Lee's Hulk. Why? That one is not at all part of the MCU.
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May 31, 2016 12:02
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Timeless Appeal posted:Incredible Hulk is super cagey about being a sequel to Lee's Hulk, and like you're technically right? But Hulk ends with Banner in South America and Incredible begins with Hulk in South America. That's not a coincidence. It's happy to be whatever you want it to be. Except Marvel Studios is pretty explicit about what is and isn't part of the MCU. Ang Lee's Hulk is not and has never been considered part of the MCU. It has not been released in any of the Phase box sets, it has not been referenced in any MCU film, and nobody from Marvel Studios have ever said anything about it being part of the MCU.
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Jun 2, 2016 00:19
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Timeless Appeal posted:Yes, it's not part of the MCU. No matter if it "feels like" a sequel or not, it is explicitly not part of the same continuity, and it is disingenuous to imply that it is.
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Jun 2, 2016 04:07
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Detective No. 27 posted:Continuity is a lie. No it isn't? The entire MCU is built around the idea of having continuity between all the films and TV shows.
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Jun 2, 2016 04:17
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ungulateman posted:"See, the Bible explicitly states that God made a circle 100 cubits across and 300 cubits around, so therefore pi is 3." And guess what...Marvel is the sole arbiter on what is and isn't in continuity. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is also explicitly part of the same continuity and has not been overruled by anything.
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Jun 2, 2016 04:19
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MonsieurChoc posted:It's... it's really not. Putting aside whether continuity matters or not (it doesn't), the MCU is not built around that idea at all. Then why is every MCU product explicitly in continuity with the others? That doesn't happen by accident. They are building multiple stories that link together and share a continuity.
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Jun 2, 2016 04:34
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:And that is a lie. You were lied to. No, I really haven't been.
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Jun 2, 2016 04:36
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computer parts posted:Unless it involves Incredible Hulk actors. Recasts happen, regrettably. But thankfully, this is a work of fiction, and so having Banner (or Rhodey, for that matter) played by a different actor doesn't affect the narrative.
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Jun 2, 2016 04:53
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LesterGroans posted:What about that after-credits scene where Stellan Skarsgard is being mind-controlled by Loki? What about it? Makes perfect sense for a trickster god to be whispering out of whatever cosmic place he had ended up in. I never got the impression that Selvig was being controlled completely at that point, just influenced subconsciously. It's not until Loki shows up with the staff containing the Mind Stone that he starts being able to completely overpower people's minds and controlling them outright.
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Jun 2, 2016 11:11
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Sir Kodiak posted:Speaking of which, what comes of General Ross being recruited to the team that's being put together? In Marvel's elaborate pre-plotting of the movies years in advance, which I've been told definitely happens, was that a setup for Civil War? Ross wasn't the one being recruited. The general assumption early on was that he was talking about Hulk, but the DVD short The Consultant revealed that he was sent to recruit Blonsky/Abomination...but Coulson and Sitwell realized that that would be a horrible idea so they sent someone guaranteed to piss off Ross the the point of not wanting to play ball with SHIELD
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Jun 2, 2016 19:25
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Sir Kodiak posted:lol, okay Well it makes way more sense that recruiting Hulk. Banner fucks off to Alaska and is off the grid. Blonsky is the one in military custody.
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Jun 2, 2016 19:33
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That's why the endings of Hulk 2 and Captain America were largely ignored, There hasn't been a Hulk 2 yet (and probably won't be; weird licensing issues means that only Universal can do solo Hulk films)
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Jun 3, 2016 05:10
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ungulateman posted:jesus christ stop being such a pedant about which movies starring bruce banner as the incredible hulk are 'real' or not It's not being pedantic, it's being accurate. Yes, there are two Hulk movies...but one one of them is in the MCU and they are not directly related to one another other than both being about the Hulk.
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Jun 3, 2016 11:02
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Guy A. Person posted:Dude, it's shorthand. And yes you being the person to jump in to correct him every. single. time. is the definition of pedantic and dweeby. Just let it go. Well, I wouldn't have to jump in and correct him if he would do a modicum of research and realize that There. Is. No. Hulk. 2.
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Jun 3, 2016 14:40
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Elfgames posted:well there are literally 2 hulk films and as he didn't put Hulk 2 in italics he wasn't necessarily saying Hulk 2 was the name of a move but stating that it was the second of two hulk films, So yes there is a hulk 2 Except to call The Incredible Hulk "Hulk 2" is to imply that it is part of the same series as Lee's Hulk. Which it isn't. The two are completely different films in completely different continuities and universes.
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Jun 3, 2016 14:49
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Detective No. 27 posted:There isn't a movie literally called Hulk 2. There is Hulk and it's sequel, The Incredible Hulk. And again you're wrong here. Incredible Hulk is not a sequel to Hulk. It is a reboot for the character and is the first (and so far only) Hulk entry in the MCU
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Jun 3, 2016 15:08
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Detective No. 27 posted:The people in front and behind the camera have all changed, but the story and characters have not. The only thing that has changed is that the Hulk has become "Incredible." Except the story is not a sequel to Hulk. Incredible Hulk is a completely separate story in a different continuity.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:14
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Hodgepodge posted:It must be really depressing being trapped in a world where Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson's books are objectively inseparable from Dune. I've not ever experienced any Dune, unfortunately. Shanty posted:In fact, there are several continuities even within Hulk (2003) itself. For instance, the scenes in which Hulk battles Zzzax are in a separate continuity from those in which he battles The Absorbing Man. These are both in a separate continuity from the remainder of the film, of course. Having only seen Ang Lee's Hulk once, many years ago, I'll have to take your word for it.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:24
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Detective No. 27 posted:We've been over this. Incredible Hulk picks up after Bruce Banner ends up in South America at the end of Ang Lee's Hulk. If The Incredible Hulk had spent time showing a radically different origin story and had Hulk fight his electricity dad again, then your argument would hold more water. Instead, we see have a quick recap of his origin, which doesn't contradict anything shown in Hulk, and he moves on with a new antagonist. Thunderbolt Ross decides that he can't stop Hulk by using family, so he creates a new Hulk instead. Except The Incredible Hulk is in a completely different continuity to Lee's Hulk. The fact that Incredible Hulk starts in South America is no more relevant to the continuity placement than Lou Ferrrigno's appearance or the use of the sad piano music.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:27
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Cavelcade posted:I just finished Jessica Jones and that was filmed in a more satisfying way than anything in the MCU and that just makes me sad. But Jessica Jones is part of the MCU?
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Jun 3, 2016 18:19
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Sir Kodiak posted:The first one is a top-tier comic book movie. Absolutely worth checking out. The sequel starts pretty good but goes to poo poo at the end. Ang Lee's Hulk never received a sequel. If you are referring to the MCU's The Incredible Hulk, I could agree with that assessment. All the stuff with Bruce on the run, up through meeting up with
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Sir Kodiak posted:I understand you're feeling persecuted about this, but if you look at my post, you'll clearly see I called it "the second one," not a "sequel." There's no need to expand this witch hunt to include me when I'm just talking about the movies. You ninja edited it then, because when I quoted your post, it said sequel.
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Sir Kodiak posted:I think I'd remember that. Well, do note that the post I quoted says "sequel". At some point, you posted "sequel" Whether you edited it or a moderator did, it at some point said "sequel". Which is a thing that Ang Lee's Hulk film does not have.
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Guy A. Person posted:Jesus jivjov did you seriously doctor someone's post to continue dogging everyone in this thread about this super petty crap? No, I just pressed Quote
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mastershakeman posted:Why does canon matter whatsoever when it can be retroactivity declared as true/not true and thrawn goes from in universe to never existing just because some exec said so? Because having a collected universe of stories that can interconnect and affect one another is cool
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