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Part 6.?????: oh jesus christ So thanks to forums pal END ME SCOOB, I bring you the game's one(?) easter egg, which comes up if you hammer the a button and skip a bunch of dialogue in the radio tower cutscene.  So I first played this at a weird time in my life. I mean, I say weird but I mean kind of nightmarish? Endless housewifin' and lots of getting screamed at for little mistakes and everything from Liking Things Wrong to cable management-ing wrong to putting a moratorium on pie-baking to existing too hard. Not a lot of downtime, not a lot of stability. So, y'know, not a lot of headspace for retaining dumb game stuff. (other than playing the Phantom Pain and occasionally looking at it like a puppy that poo poo the bed so hard it shunted the bed off into an entirely separate dimension, i will forever hold that memory in my heart) So I completely forgot about....  that. I completely forgot that existed. Totally slipped my mind! And then Scoob linking it brought back the memory of the full-body wince I got from seeing the shimapan line at some point and it's like...'oh oh yes right this is a thing that exists and it is DREADFUL.' So that's a thing. Endings are recorded. Look forward to Giant Baby Satan's Wild Ride, uh....tomorrow?
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END ME SCOOB sure seems to be an expert on awful things, what between this and they Sword of Truth thread
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speaking of: for gently caress's sake yes i know it's a joke 
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Aug 5, 2016 03:31
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Deceitful Penguin posted:END ME SCOOB sure seems to be an expert on awful things, what between this and they Sword of Truth thread Say what you like, but between some solid art design and the excellent OST, this game is way above "awful", story or not.
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Aug 5, 2016 03:32
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Thuryl posted:Voting Ending A, because frankly it seems like the more sensible and straightforward of the two options and we should save the worst for last.
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Aug 5, 2016 03:39
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END ME SCOOB posted:Say what you like, but between some solid art design and the excellent OST, this game is way above "awful", story or not. Eeeh, it's kind of subjective but sometimes a game's narrative is so lovely and gross that for most people it tanks most everything else? The backer stuff and the AI and some of the mechanics don't help, either.
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Aug 5, 2016 03:50
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Ningyou posted:Eeeh, it's kind of subjective but sometimes a game's narrative is so lovely and gross that for most people it tanks most everything else? Yeah, the world isn't lacking in options for games with good gameplay, art and music. Even without feeling that the story or other elements are so bad as to ruin the rest of the experience, there are other games to experience that are as fun and pretty, without stories that you need to ignore to enjoy. Also a game shoving GG's poo poo in your face is a totally legitimate reason to call it awful. If a game is unplayable for any reason I don't see how mechanics, art, or music can redeem it. Those being good just makes those specific aspects good parts of a bad game.
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Aug 5, 2016 04:01
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FicusArt posted:Also a game shoving GG's poo poo in your face is a totally legitimate reason to call it awful. If a game is unplayable for any reason I don't see how mechanics, art, or music can redeem it. I'd argue it's not "shoving" anything given that I just thought that NPC was a nerd. But at the very least, whoa Nelly this is not "unplayable". I can start pulling out actual busted-rear end games if you wanna go that far.
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Aug 5, 2016 04:30
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What's "pink a shimapan"? Is that supposed to be "a pink shimapan"? And shimapan are... ...oh. Oh for the love of...
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Aug 5, 2016 04:56
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END ME SCOOB posted:I'd argue it's not "shoving" anything given that I just thought that NPC was a nerd. But at the very least, whoa Nelly this is not "unplayable". I can start pulling out actual busted-rear end games if you wanna go that far. It's "playable" only in that it's free of any significant bugs that render the program inoperable, or similar technical issues. Just because you have the literal ability to play the game, doesn't mean it's something a person is able to play in good conscience. I'm sure everyone in this thread can think of a game or three with messaging so gross that they could not imagine playing it for any reason other than mockery.
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Aug 5, 2016 05:15
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EclecticTastes posted:It's "playable" only in that it's free of any significant bugs that render the program inoperable, or similar technical issues. Just because you have the literal ability to play the game, doesn't mean it's something a person is able to play in good conscience. I'm sure everyone in this thread can think of a game or three with messaging so gross that they could not imagine playing it for any reason other than mockery. Personally, I don't see the appeal of playing games I don't enjoy to mock the devs. And if it's a game with a disgusting theme, there's a second reason not to play, since just buying the game would put money in the developers' pockets.
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Aug 5, 2016 05:18
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Davin Valkri posted:Personally, I don't see the appeal of playing games I don't enjoy to mock the devs. And if it's a game with a disgusting theme, there's a second reason not to play, since just buying the game would put money in the developers' pockets. On the first point, it's the same reason MST3K was wildly popular, clever jokes about a bad game make for a fun experience for many people. As for the second, if the devs are true reprobates, well, I certainly wouldn't encourage financially empowering them in the process of acquiring their game for the purpose of mockery. So, yeah, probably don't play it. Though, one person buying and mocking it could ultimately cost the dev far more in lost sales, with the right platform and audience.
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Davin Valkri posted:Personally, I don't see the appeal of playing games I don't enjoy to mock the devs. And if it's a game with a disgusting theme, there's a second reason not to play, since just buying the game would put money in the developers' pockets. 
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Ningyou posted:i-i bought this game because the premise sounded neat and the aesthetic looked okay and i was hopeful and only learned about the lovely stuff the hard way Oh, sorry if I sounded like I was criticizing you. I mostly just read ET's comment and wondered "is there any circumstance where I would play Hatred or something?". This is a good LP. It probably fits their first point accurately.
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Aug 5, 2016 05:43
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Davin Valkri posted:"is there any circumstance where I would play Hatred or something?" If you buy enough bundles, you too can have the Springfield Tire Fire of gaming libraries. Hatred is sub-Postal 1, incidentally.
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Aug 5, 2016 06:00
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Also this is kind of late because apparently having four different chat clients open at once wrecks my attention span, but...END ME SCOOB posted:I'd argue it's not "shoving" anything given that I just thought that NPC was a nerd. But at the very least, whoa Nelly this is not "unplayable". I can start pulling out actual busted-rear end games if you wanna go that far.
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I'm sad that somebody made a cyberpunk game with a trans lady protagonist but the result was, well, this, instead of a game that literally anybody would want to play, ever. Just using us as props to argue... well... whatever this game's completely incoherent point is meant to be. 
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Aug 5, 2016 06:59
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Empress Theonora posted:I'm sad that somebody made a cyberpunk game with a trans lady protagonist but the result was, well, this, instead of a game that literally anybody would want to play, ever. Just using us as props to argue... well... whatever this game's completely incoherent point is meant to be. There is a good cyberpunk game with a trans lady protagonist (slight background spoilers for that game) Lao, one of the player characters from Technobabylon.. Ningyou posted:i-i bought this game because the premise sounded neat and the aesthetic looked okay and i was hopeful and only learned about the lovely stuff the hard way Hi five, fellow regretful purchase LPer.
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Ningyou posted:fairly recognizable mascot But this is my point. Sure, if you know what it is it might be clear, but until you told me, I had no idea that mascot even existed, and I don't think the character is ever named. She's just "nerd with a hair clip who kinda sucks at video games, based on her dialog"
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Aug 5, 2016 07:14
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....but, uh, unless I'm just bad at reading tonight your argument is "this isn't shoving recognizable symbols of a hate group in people's faces because i myself did not recognize this thing." :s Like, I hope this doesn't sound super snippy, but that you didn't recognize it doesn't necessarily mean it's some mega-obscure thing, and that the hate group mascot doesn't say anything gross doesn't make her any less of a hate group mascot shoved into this game about the kinds of people that hate group tends to target.
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Ningyou posted:....but, uh, unless I'm just bad at reading tonight your argument is "this isn't shoving recognizable symbols of a hate group in people's faces because i myself did not recognize this thing." :s Especially since the entire rest of this game seems to be at least sort of conversant (I mean, not in a good or coherent way but clearly they've encountered the ideas before) in internet discourse, feminism, gaming culture, etc. I have a really hard time believing that somebody could make this game, specifically, without any idea who Vivian James was (assuming the GGers who got her in the game even tried to hide their affiliation in the first place).
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Aug 5, 2016 08:00
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My argument is "if you were not somewhat familiar with the character already, you would never know any of this", yes, because the only different thing about them in-game is a more colorful sprite. No name, no politics, about three stupid jokes about playing games poorly.
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This is where we could talk about the limits of artistic vision and how this mixes wit the kickstarter model but I havent the foggiest loving clue what, f anything, this game wanted to say Also the game is also hella mediocre as a game, not just storywise. I defend bad games sometimes and there might be stuff to defend here but its not really a hill worth dyin on
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This is like a wacky misunderstanding where you thought you were at a halloween party where everyone came as a ghost. Sorry pal an emblem is an emblem, and the folks who would recognize it either follow its ethos or were hurt by those who do. That being the case I envy you your ignorance of the scum of netlandia
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Vivian James is such an exceptionally gross emblem: "See, it's okay we threaten to rape and murder real women, because we totally love this imaginary waifu it means we don't hate women."
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Empress Theonora posted:I'm sad that somebody made a cyberpunk game with a trans lady protagonist but the result was, well, this, instead of a game that literally anybody would want to play, ever. Just using us as props to argue... well... whatever this game's completely incoherent point is meant to be.
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Robindaybird posted:Vivian James is such an exceptionally gross emblem: "See, it's okay we threaten to rape and murder real women, because we totally love this imaginary waifu it means we don't hate women." like, having to invent a 2d waifu to show you don't hate women is such a self own I'm still baffled it took off
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Lol, was thinkin the exact same thing coming home from work; it's like if the people against BLM would have invented some kind of Uncle Ruckus type character to be the fictional mouthpiece for their poo poo It would be like Jeff Dunham "proving" his jokes aren't islamophobic by having Achmed the Dead Terrorist vouch for him.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Lol, was thinkin the exact same thing coming home from work; it's like if the people against BLM would have invented some kind of Uncle Ruckus type character to be the fictional mouthpiece for their poo poo Like, I'm going to half-qualify this by saying I know some chan-adjacent people who are lovely folk - queer as heck and generally pleasant, don't eat, sleep and breathe slurs and regressive bullshit, don't rant about The Ess Jay Dubyas Stepping On Me And By That I Mean Taking Are Games!!!! - but grundygalleta types kinda.....aren't big on self-awareness. And so we end up with "yes making a fictional altright Cool Girl who is never not either hypersexualized or One of the Dudes and gosh wouldn't you know she Just Wants to Play Games without those agenda-driven sjws killing the mood by talking about being deluged with harassment UGH and literally putting words in her mouth, this will show those skeletons."
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Ningyou posted:speaking of: As someone who owns 2 of those shirts (I'm in deep), I coulda gone my whole life without seeing this game connected to it.
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EclecticTastes posted:It would be like Jeff Dunham "proving" his jokes aren't islamophobic by having Achmed the Dead Terrorist vouch for him. Not really. Dunham never tries to use him as a political statement and openly admits his characters are steeped in stereotypes. Also Achmed is funny so it's okay. It would be like if his audience used Achmed to make NOTISLAMAPHOBIC statements. I dunno what this game is going for cause it's neither funny nor incisive. Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Aug 6, 2016 |
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SSNeoman posted:Not really. Dunham never tries to use him as a political statement and openly admits his characters are steeped in stereotypes. Also Achmed is funny so it's okay. 
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Part 7: In my dreams we're all burning and the only one left is Giant Baby Satan Being disappointed is part of being. Not a constant, unrelenting part, but....it's a thing! It happens! And if you had any hope for where this ends, you are going to drown in it. In which we, well, drown in it. (The Watcher) This is the part where I say "GOSH I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO OBVIOUS BUT i didn't like the ending." It's the capstone to an arc that starts in actual relevant issues even if they're handled hamhandedly and ends with.... "The illuminati did it." "The illuminati encouraged a lovely internet nihilist's idea of Humanity's Worst Impulses because gosh, they're bored." "The illuminati distracted you so they could PUT TESTOSTERONE IN THE WATER MWAHAHA to foment conflict because fuckin yolo i guess." "Everything that has ever happened is because the illuminati spurred it on or let it happen because for the illuminati the whole of human history is a homegrown reality tv marathon." "Everyone is blind to everything because Our Bud with a Bad Rap, Our Pal, Our Cuddle Chum, Enormous Gruel Baby Satan, he's been kept in the least child safety law-compliant day care EVER and humanity sees what he sees and gosh he sacrifices so much of himself for all of us even if NO ONE APPRECIATES HIM and it's only now that humanity's eyes have been wrenched open" It's just such a loving cop-out, chalking everything up to The Illuminati Pulling the Strings. I get the feeling that the dev is going for some kind of messy funhouse-mirror critique of big government here - people can't drive their own fates because the Sentient Sundae Syrup Nanny Statists think people can't be left on their own and have to be thrown way off-balance and then spoonfed progress and encouragement and "ways of thinking that suit the times!" People who Know Better can't be kept under the government's thumb! - but...I don't know. It's dumb. e: oh right, I'm scatterbrained as heck and I forgot to add this. So, the thing about Elsa 120 years ago is a callback to the dev's previous game, Subbania, where you play a Nazi submarine crew who try to invade the US by submarine at the behest of another Literal One-eyed Illuminati Pyramid Head and there's not-great art and oh by the way you're literally playing nazis and oh gosh whoops suddenly you're in Hell! I am more and more unsure I want to do a little sub-LP (haw) of this but from what I can glean, uh.....she was on the submarine, that it ended up in hell wasn't an accident, now i guess she's one of the Gal Pals from Brazil but also an ageless shapeshifter. I don't loving know. Ningyou fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Aug 6, 2016 |
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Ningyou posted:Part 7: In my dreams we're all burning and the only one left is Giant Baby Satan I don't even know if the dev is trying to have a big message about anything with the illuminati, since their next game seems to be about helping them come to power?
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I was vaguely curious about this game because I totally want to see more trans protagonists, but I ultimately avoided it because it looked like it was going to be really hamhanded. It's impressive how they managed to not only be really hamhanded, but also completely devoid of any actual coherent message because somewhere along the way the developer thought it was a good idea to turn the plot into fighting the illuminati with the help of ghost buddy and Satan. also every line of dialogue makes me want to grind my face off with a belt sander Miijhal fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Aug 6, 2016 |
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Aug 6, 2016 02:55
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d-d-d-d-drakengard...???
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SSNeoman posted:d-d-d-d-drakengard...??? Ryushikaze posted:I don't even know if the dev is trying to have a big message about anything with the illuminati, since their next game seems to be about helping them come to power? But what I was saying was, trying to explore serious issues (even hamhandedly!) and then kind of tossing everything and going 'IT WAS ALLLLLL 'COS THE LATEX BIG GOVERNMENT BOOBMONSTER ILLUMINATI but it's okay because our pal li'l lucifer morningstar is here' is a copout.
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SSNeoman posted:d-d-d-d-drakengard...??? Ningyou posted:if only. And as noted, this ending is such patent nonsense even compared to how the story has attempted profundity but fallen way short. I'd call it unintentional bathos if it were humerous, but mostly it's just repulsive. (Though the ending taken on its own absolutely is funny and thus qualifies.)
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SSNeoman posted:d-d-d-d-drakengard...??? The difference is that with Drakengard, it was intentional (well, for 1 and 3, anyway). This thing is just terrible.
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So I just read this thread in one sitting and... what?
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