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Dr. VooDoo posted:Ken Penders is what happens when a company doesn't pay attention to how one of it's media formats is being used. I beleive at one point he killed Sonic off in the Sonic the Hedgehog comics so he could focus on Knuckles and all the Not-Knuckles OCs he created for some weird hosed up story and SEGA poo poo a brick when someone actually decided to look at what was being pumped out under their brand Yeah I wrote a post on it in the Bad Runs thread in BSS, while the above did not quite happen, he did just plainly ignore sonic in favor of his OCs. I do love just how loving lazy he was though.  This is Isaac, a millennium old robot who has been monitoring the world since it was "Gene Bombed" and created a race of animal people and 4 fingers humans, he is definitely NOT a gold coloured E-102 Gamma, and I don't know why you think that, the 102 is just how many bitches he gets being blinged out like that. One of his court demands however was "Archie take my ending for Sonic as the canon ending for sonic!" Because Penders sees himself as the scribe of all things Sonic, a series he has never played. He still expects Sega to come to him and be interested in giving him the comic back.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:If Christian Whitehead represents the best of the Sonic fanbase, Ken Penders represents the worst. On what leg can he or his demented followers possibly stand on now that the comic went through a major reboot? So Scott Fulop, who hasn't worked in years, founded a company like a month ago to trademark Mammoth Mogul, a character who was used up until the reboot, but not after that. And now he's decided to sue Archie for all the stuff they did in the past with his character. Because he and everyone else knows Archie has none of the original contracts (lost to an office fire) so they can say whatever they want about Archie ripping them off. Onmi fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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Shinjobi posted:Would a judge recognize the bullshit for what it is and throw the case out, though? The ship should have sailed on getting these lawsuits in by now. Who knows, he's citing "Thousands of cases of his work being used"  This is his work, he has done NOTHING since Archie. He's just looking for a pay day.
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ImpAtom posted:The only thing I know about Mammoth Mogul from second-hand info is that he's immortal and at some point had the realization that he's immortal and Sonic the Hedgehog isn't so there's no reason he can't just wait until Sonic dies of old age and THEN take over the world. He also decides to spend that immortal time running a casino and just loving with sonic but not actually doing anything illegal. Just full on "I'm going to have Sonic get angry, storm down to my casino, wreck the place, so he looks like a maniac and I look like a legit business man who just got ransacked. Why? Because gently caress Sonic."
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Kikas posted:This is like the 4th time I've seen those images this week and they still don't make any more sense Okay so... ever since Penders first got a hold of Tails he said "Tails has a great destiny in store." He built this up for like 140 issues, of just straight up, "Tails has a great destiny." And then, finally, we get to it, and Tails Great Destiny is to merge with all alternate dimension tails to become Titan Tails, blow Mammoth Mogul away with his rear end and that's it. EDIT: Someone posted this as to why this case shouldn't go anywhere quote:Penders or not, nobody ever heard of Narrative Arc Entertainment. They have no more money to pursue this case than you do; Archie, if necessary, can borrow. In addition, Scott Fulop is claiming infringement during the period in which he worked for Archie as an editor. The first test of the legitimacy of his claims is the question of why, as an editor working for Archie comics on the comics he claimed infringed his work, he did not in 16 years take any action. Resignation, legal action, complaining to his boss - it's on him to prove that he acted reasonably there, not Archie. Onmi fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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Stairmaster posted:I thought titan tails was before even the sonic adventure stuff. Noooo, this was almost at the end of his run.
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Sodomy Non Sapiens posted:I'm playing Sonic CD off steam and I feel like I'm missing why people rave so much about this game. The level design feels clunky as hell, the time travel mechanic is fiddly as gently caress and unfun, and slowly hunting through a level for the machine I need to blow up to try and get a good future is the opposite of want out of a Sonic game. The soundtracks (both of them) are pretty great... I dunno, is it me, am I crazy? Or is nostalgia just a really powerful drug in this case? It was the first sonic game I owned, and I didn't beat it until I was an adult because no patience.
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I prefer this one, since it isn't that massive a radical departure from the original design.
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Aug 17, 2016 12:25
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Geostomp posted:This much concentrated 90's can do permanent damage to your retinas. Unleashed probably had the best 'story' I've seen for Sonic, where it wasn't that serious despite being a serious 'thing'. Like yeah the worlds blown up and we gotta fix it but ya know, in a chill way.
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Augus posted:Scourge used to be called Evil Sonic and wore the exact same outfit so my guess is that I love the writers of the new Sonic comics Ian is still the writer and has been from... I think 160. beyond a few moments where he'll rely on fan meme's that aren't really funny (stuff like Green Biker Dude in the Megaman comic.) He's a fairly good writer though.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Tyson Hesse is good too. Tyson Hesse is a great artist and probably one of the best the Sonic Comic has ever had. He just gets the characters expressions and designs down so well
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Dresh posted:And Sega can't really acknowledge Chronicles anymore even if they want to because Ken Penders whined that its original characters were too similar to The Dark Legion. Well they can, the court cases got thrown out (as does every Penders case against Sega). But why would they want to?
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I like the Archie explanation for Silver, that no matter how many times he goes back in time to fix it, something else comes along to utterly gently caress the future. And then Silver has to sit down and relearn all of history again because he's become displaced from it. Including poo poo he supposedly did. Silver's future is just perpetually hosed to poo poo.
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Discendo Vox posted:Sonic's middle name is Maurice. Don't you dare bring that poison into this household! In the season of celebration and happiness! I should have disowned you...
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YggiDee posted:There was Anti-Sonic, who was just Sonic in a leather jacket. He ran around being edgy™ until one of the writers said 'wait, that's dumb,' and gave him a new name (Scourge), different look, and something approaching a personality. Scourge went on to be mildly interesting but was one of the many many characters who didn't survive the reboot. Scourge was interesting once he became self-aware that he was basically Sonic's Knock-off. Half of his motivation was realizing "Wait, I'm just Evil-Sonic... I don't want to be 'Evil-Sonic' I want to be my own man." and trying his damnedest to break away from just being a knock-off. The comic had been great since the reboot, and deep down I'm really hoping this isn't the end.
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Viewtiful Jew posted:Is Archie even doing well these days? Like if the reason the comic has been put on hold/put to bed is that Archie can't actually pay the licensing fee anymore than something bad must have happened. No, Archie is going through a lot of issues. But this one in particular is I think Scott Fulop? Right well Penders encouraged him to go sue Archie. Sega made it clear back when Penders was wrapping up that they didn't want to see any more legal issues. Fulop is also suing Sega for the Sonic Mega Collection. Because it "Included much of my comic book work."
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So, sadly, it's very apparent that Archie has cancelled the Sonic Comic at 290 for many reasons. One that they feel that it doesn't "fit their portfolio" and with books like "Reggie and Me" doing poorly, rather than keep going with, while selling less than usual (maybe due to not shipping it for like half a year and then trying to get shops to pick it up again) the series that is basically their best seller. Hopefully someone like IDW picks it up and the creative team can keep on. 
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Heaven Spacey posted:The artist's reimagining of Silver rules really hard. Jon Gray was a former artist on the Archie Sonic Comic who left for reasons. Was a pretty cool dude. But his work on the mainline book was unfortunate. He also did this CoIE-inspired thing 
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I may mostly talk about the Archie comic but I do have an appreciation for StC. It has its own take on the canon, Sonic being a hilarious dick is quite the take when the Archie one couldn't be more of a Super Hero, and of course there's all the weird things they did which was just so interesting.
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That is definitely not Archie. But both StC and Archie Sonic had a horrible issue in making Tails... weird.
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The White Dragon posted:wait so can someone give me a summary biography of penders during his time making sonic comic books? like i know about the lawsuit, i know about his extended universe thing he continues to work on, but i don't know anything about what the comic was like under him. i stopped reading shortly after robotnik died, it was too weird and too serious for me as a kid. so i'm not sure how long he was cooking up his twisted canon in the licensed comic books, but while i'm glad i missed whatever he did, i would love to get a retrospective rubbernecking at it. It's really hard to encompass the entire run so... I'll try summing it up as best I can. Highschool! Tiny Morgan Freeman! Sacrificing yourself is the highest form a woman can attain! Magical Aging you up! Station Square is beneath a mountain! Not-Min Mei from Macross! Cabal of Secret Grandpa's! Relationship Drama! Mobians and Overworlders are both mutated humans because of the bio bombs of an alien race! Green Knuckles! Issac the Golden E-102 Gamma from thousands of years in the past! Sonic is a poo poo! Mobius: 20 years later! Evil-Sonic takes off his leather jacket and sunglasses then fucks Bunny Rabbot while pretending to be Sonic! DESTINY! Also, for Posterity Robotnik takes over Mobotropolis - Before Penders  After Penders 
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VikingofRock posted:Last time we talked about the comic and Sonic's love interests, someone posted a cover with Sonic crying in a corner holding divorce papers signed by Sally Acorn. Something about the melodrama of that image, but applied to a children's video game character with a 'tude, is so perfect. I want that image as like a poster or something. I want it on my wall. 
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TFRazorsaw posted:it wasn't divorce papers, it was an invitation to her arranged marriage with someone she thought was Antoine. Which is even more pathetic really.
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Spiderdrake posted:I know you're joking, but then I think about it, and I stop being so sure. Why would you think I'm joking, I'm being serious. Evil Sonic decides to replace Sonic, so he takes off his leather jacket and sunglasses, then, he goes and flirts with Bunnie, smash cut to night time and them snuggling.
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Shinjobi posted:That awful event aside, I do miss Scourge. Once Ian got a hold of him, Scourge was great, mainly for actually playing up him being a 'Knock-Off' and how that affects a dude with an ego like Scourges. "By the way everything about you is entirely based on this other person, and you'll never be any more than 'Evil' him."
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Augus posted:There was an effort post someone made on BSS that did a pretty great job at summarizing the fall and rebirth of the Sonic Comics but I don't have the link onhand. I did that, and I was very brief over it. Then again I desperately try to forget the Archie Sonic marathon I went through.
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TFRazorsaw posted:Mina was an alright character once she got over Sonic and wasn't used for stupid relationship drama. I just enjoy that she's Literally Min-Mei. But she was very much pushed on the comic during a time they were trying to be anime-as-gently caress and... well... High school 
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I really do recommend people pick up the comics from when Penders took over, even if it's pre-reboot, the stories are still great. For those interested on alternate things that could have happened, Karl Bollers once gave an interview talking about what he intended with the comic after it did it's "Sonic has been gone for a whole year" plot line. Bollers didn't get to really do anything as he and Penders were heavy in there war at the time. Jon Gray, who is an absolutely wonderful artist and person, once explained that it was basically like being between two arguing parents who hate each other. http://archive.sonichq.net/newsite/comics/kbsonicoverview.php For the reminder on how Penders seized complete control? Well, every now and then people like to work under pen names, on the Sonic comic, both the comics editor at the time and Bollers did sometimes enjoy writing comics as someone else. So Penders outed Bollers pen names and basically harassed him out of the place.
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Augus posted:Eh it's not an unpopular opinion by any stretch and there's a very clear change in direction (and quality) after that special. The most hilarious thing with Amy wasn't just that she didn't do anything, it's that Penders actively went out of his way to shove her to the sideline. The story behind Mina Mongoose goes that Justin Gabrie, a man who I loving Despise wanted to introduce a new love interest for Sonic that could match up with Sally, someone that Sonic had something in common with. Now, keeping in mind that this is 1999 and Sonic's already been updated to his adventure art (and Eggman's just come back) rather than using the existing character who wasn't doing anything and has been in the comic since #25 they made Mina and decided her trait would be Speed and yeah. And in case you're thinking "Well, okay they didn't want to use her in that roll." She wasn't doing anything! In fact, when they finally did their Adventure adaption, Amy actually had to sit the whole event out! She got herself aged up by "Wishing on Sonic's Billionth Ring" (I think, it was a dumb excuse) and then actually spent the whole event being told "Amy, Don't do anything sit on your rear end." And basically doing exactly that. So... okay after that, it's clear she's a character now in the active sense in Sonic, so what do they do? They write her out of the story by sending her to go visit her cousin Rob O' The Hedge (Robin Hood Sonic basically) It wasn't until issue #132(!) loving 107 issues after she was introduced as a character into the comic, she finally got made a Freedom Fighter under Bollers pen. The moment Penders came back she was on the side lines. It literally wasn't until Ian Flynn became the writer that Amy Rose, who has been in the comic since issue #25 got to actually be part of the main cast in any way shape or form. I actually think she may have had less appearances than the Cabal of Secret Grandpa's. On the opposite coin, that also meant basically 107 issues of Amy not being written horridly so, ya know, small mercies.    Her and Silver are just such refreshing characters in the comic, Amy because she's not just Sonic's fangirl, she's an actual character with feelings and goals and a personality that isn't orbiting around the protagonist. And Silver... he's just a big loving goof and it's hilarious, he's so earnestly trying but he's such a loving failure. Like the first time he appears in the comic is in the middle of the Moebius storyline (Originally Anti-Mobius, one of Scourge's edicts upon becoming King was the force everyone to change their name to actually be names, to get further away from being Knock-off's of Mobius.) looking for Sonic and the guy comes in during the middle of the showdown with Scourge (Featuring Metal Sonic, Amy, Rosy the Rascal, Scourge, Rob O', and Shadow.) And he's just trying to ask which one of them is Sonic while they rumble.  He just looks so lost it makes me crack
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I will say, to be fair. As much as I enjoy Ian Flynn's writing, he does have a tendency to hit the meme button for easy comedy. Obviously every now and then it's kinda funny, but that's like the 8th "It's no use" joke involving Silver.  The joke that Silver is awful at his job never gets old though. In fact Silver is so awful at his job that each times he returns to the future, history has changed, except the world is still hosed up. Since he's ripple proof as a time traveller, he has to relearn all of history each time he comes back because inevitably something's changed, including poo poo HE'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE DONE.
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Gammatron 64 posted:One thing I like about the reboot is that they updated the non-game characters to be the same art style as those from the games. Yeah, I mean literally here's Dulcy the Dragon Preboot  This image by the way is from the story where we learn that her boyfriend, the Chinese dragon Zan, beats her. And legitimately features the exchange Dulcy: Zan loves me Bunnie: Then why does he hit you? And here's Dulcy post-reboot  And the other awful thing is that... well... every Echidna is Knuckles and every Hedgehog is Sonic, except they have hair. Oh, side fun fact. You know Madonna? The prototype planned girlfriend type character for Sonic? Well she was brought into the Post-reboot universe  As a G.U.N. Agent, no word on any Hedgehog coitus because she only appeared in the one issue. But always found it funny.
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I will also say that your positive memories of the comics in those early issues (especially the mini-series) are most likely nostalgia. They don't hold up. A few years ago /co/ did a "Sonic Marathon" where they storytimed the whole series from issue 1 to the then latest issue (Just before the Pendering) As one of the people who did in fact cover for issues while the OPs internet went down... yeah, they were actually quite terrible. That said, this image is still basically "The Sonic comic experience" to anyone who started from issue 1
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Ventana posted:This one I don't see how you can misconstrue "Every page of every issue posted" when it comes to judging something. Besides, Ian and Jon Gray dropped by, it was fun, even got a shout out in Sonic Universe.  VJeff posted:The early stuff absolutely holds up because it's so simple and fun. It's just lots of puns and jokes around some simple stories with some surprisingly acerbic quips in there too. My favorite thing about re-reading the early Sonic comics was noticing the environmental commentary that completely passed me by as a kid. Sonic's message at its core was an environmental one, so seeing it realized in that way is nice. Oh the Mike Gallagher stuff is amazingly fun. The moment the series tries to take itself seriously it slowly becomes more awful. That said, Mecha Madness actually does kinda stand out as being pretty okay.
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Crabtree posted:Does Ian at least have other work now? Sad that Sonic Comic's finally dead, but I'm more worried about the cool people involved than the publication. I know he at least works on the IDW TMNT book and he writes the Jughead comic. Dinictus posted:Got an archive of the threads somewhere? The responses and the shared vitriol ought to be something worth enjoying. It's probably on one archive, but each one I found had search disabled, and The Ride (what the storytime was called) was during 2014. For the record, The Ride went on for several months, covering every issue of the Archie comics, including the side stories, Sonic X and the Brazillian Megaman comic. what /sthg/ is now owes a lot to The Ride, since it was basically an explosion of fanart and edited images. EDIT: I just looked on /sthg/ they do have a MEGA archive of The Ride https://mega.nz/#F!xFAWhZTI!yoE_zGlwfNrwexXd5BCnGQ I'm on limited net so I haven't gone through it but this looks to be a collection of everything edited. I'll see if I can't find links to the threads since I'm fairly certain that's all just the art content that got made. EDIT: Oh god... memories  "Writer and Artist: Ken Penders" Kelp Plankton posted:thousands of moustache combinations, unprecedented level of control over body fat distribution, finally YOU are The Eggman I'm Hulk Hogan Eggman Onmi fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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To answer the Editor question, the Editor in question was Justin Gabrie, who was a colossal loving tool and a complete poo poo of a writer. He would use the OP Eds at the end of each issue to rant about Star Wars or whatever else he watched like it was his blog, from all accounts he was a lazy rear end in a top hat who couldn't be bothered to put his foot down and go "Okay knock it off" while his two head writers were literally scratching each others eyes out, and then there's his writing. Hoo boy. Let me introduce you to a motherfucker by the name of Tommy Turtle  Also that's, and I poo poo you not this is his name, Snoop Doggy Dog in the background. Anyway, Tommy Turtle was the never before mentioned best friend of Sonic and Sally, Sonic and Tommy had a Turtle and the Hare thing going on, after a couple of fake-out deaths and a robot-duplicate, Tommy joined the 'Brain Trust' of Knothole, then he saved everyones lives over and over again. Then he cried over some nanites that bonded too him and let him make a jetpack and wings and be super awesome. Then Eggman's AI Son A.D.A.M. took him over, and he sacrificed himself to save everyone. What a hero. When he wasn't writing about his OC Self-Insert, he was writing about inane bullshit like the TRUE original Freedom Fighters.  Formed by Colonel Tig Stripe and featuring, MP Bull Bones, Sir Peckers, Trey Scales, Spot Long. They were the REAL original Freedom Fighters, the ones who inspired Sonic and Sally and they were totally kicking Eggman's rear end until Trey Scales betrayed them. See, this is the poo poo he was doing when he was supposed to be getting his writers under control. Justin Gabrie was a lazy poo poo who didn't once do his job as the loving editor. EDIT: I mean what kind of Editor would let this be published? 
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Robotnik Nudes posted:It's so easy to blame Penders because of the lawsuit bullshit but really, almost everyone working on the comic during that period shares responsibility for the mess. Ron Lim and Karl Bollers especially seem to manage to squeak under the radar because of Penders but holy poo poo does their stuff suck rear end too. Bollers squeaks under there because he actually does get better about his writing. His main issues were being overly verbose and dramatic and... for lack of a better describing term loving boring. He tends to be given a pass because he actually liked the Sonic characters and was trying to focus the story around them, not whatever his new OC toys were in that instant. No one talks about Ron Lim because he was just an awful artist on the book. And saying "The Sonic comic has awful art" outside of Spaz, Yardley, I could debate-ably say Bates, and of course Hesse for the short time he did, most of the art was poo poo. Bollers aint no Mike Gallagher, but he's cut some slack because he did (slowly) improve, and his future plans for the comic showed he really was trying to get things more aligned with the games universe. Penders, if anything, just got worse.
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Big the Cat does not give a gently caress. If the world was ending and demons were rising from hell, Big the Cat would continue to fish and relax the days away with Froggy. He has no gently caress to give because the only gently caress he was given is for Froggy. If Froggy were to be kidnapped, Big would topple empires, destroy a thousand year old civilization devoted to the rebirth of the ultimate evil, brave every frontier and face down against anything that would stand in his way. Because Big only has one gently caress to give, and buddy, you aint Froggy. 100 words exactly. 
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I love Penders talking about a Sonic movie, because you see, he did in fact, attempt to get one off the ground in the past and utterly hosed over Ben Hurst! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNteN_qlHp0 The Story posted:I did consult with DIC to see if there was a way to generate some enthusiasm for a feature film to be the "Third Season" of SatAm. I was given the name of a SEGA executive and had a most pleasant conversation. She had to go to a meeting, but said she would like to talk to me more about the idea. Oh yeah, and Penders has always looked like the absolute creepiest motherfucker. 
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