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He blew his voice out IIRC so he can't sing with as much ferocity as he used to do back on the earlier albums. He was still pretty strong back in 06-08 when I saw them live with Down(who put on a better show). I imagine he's still doing okay singing wise for a 50 some year old man.
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jBrereton posted:I would be surprised if Metallica had in fact been to Eastbourne. As a resident of Eastbourne I have to say I enjoy that part of the song, I however do not enjoy Animal from Anti-Nowhere league talking about how he went on tour with metallica at every loving league gig.
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Chromatic posted:He blew his voice out IIRC so he can't sing with as much ferocity as he used to do back on the earlier albums. He was still pretty strong back in 06-08 when I saw them live with Down(who put on a better show). He blew his voice out twice. During the S/T recordings and again before St. Anger.
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Jul 31, 2016 00:29
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Groke posted:The currently best of the surviving old thrash bands is Overkill. Give Ironbound a spin and imagine what Metallica would have been like if they could still do something like that. (I listened to Death Magnetic a couple of times when it came out and... can't really remember what it was like.) I loved White Devil Armory. It's right there with the classic albums like Taking Over and The Years of Decay.
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Metallica basically got me into music. I loved the poo poo out of them as a teenager (talking pre-black album). However they don't have one album as good as Rust in Piece (well, that is arguable but their early albums have the worst loving production) and the only one of the big four I can go back and enjoy listening to now is Slayer. Metallica is just teenage boy music. Saying you love Metallica is no different to your parents going on about Elvis or some poo poo. They are very much of their time and your time in your life.
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Jul 31, 2016 01:00
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Wank posted:Metallica basically got me into music. I loved the poo poo out of them as a teenager (talking pre-black album). However they don't have one album as good as Rust in Piece (well, that is arguable but their early albums have the worst loving production) and the only one of the big four I can go back and enjoy listening to now is Slayer. Metallica is just teenage boy music. Saying you love Metallica is no different to your parents going on about Elvis or some poo poo. They are very much of their time and your time in your life. actually ride the lightning is still a dope loving album
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Jul 31, 2016 01:03
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The solo in RTL is seriously one of the greatest ever, it just keeps building and building and it's just loving ridiculous. I never liked S&M either, it was a cool idea but I thought it completely overwhelmed the guitars which was the whole point of the band for me.
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Crowsbeak posted:Slayer is much better. they ran out of ideas pretty quickly divine intervention and undisputed attitude are kinda underrated though
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Jul 31, 2016 01:40
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hemophilia posted:He blew his voice out twice. During the S/T recordings and again before St. Anger. His garage days voice is probably top 10 Rock voices, it was all downhill from there
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Jul 31, 2016 01:47
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:The solo in RTL is seriously one of the greatest ever, it just keeps building and building and it's just loving ridiculous. I never liked S&M either, it was a cool idea but I thought it completely overwhelmed the guitars which was the whole point of the band for me.
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Jul 31, 2016 01:49
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Groke posted:The currently best of the surviving old thrash bands is Overkill. Give Ironbound a spin and imagine what Metallica would have been like if they could still do something like that. (I listened to Death Magnetic a couple of times when it came out and... can't really remember what it was like.)
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Wank posted:Metallica basically got me into music. I loved the poo poo out of them as a teenager (talking pre-black album). However they don't have one album as good as Rust in Piece (well, that is arguable but their early albums have the worst loving production) and the only one of the big four I can go back and enjoy listening to now is Slayer. Metallica is just teenage boy music. Saying you love Metallica is no different to your parents going on about Elvis or some poo poo. They are very much of their time and your time in your life. Among the Living by Anthrax still owns
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Don Tacorleone posted:His garage days voice is probably top 10 Rock voices, it was all downhill from there his voice has gotten better in the past couple years he's singing more in his natural register instead of that strained yelping crap he's been doing since the 90s
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Jul 31, 2016 02:46
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Even though I like metal, I never really listened to Metallica until I heard a bunch of their covers. There's an Industrial album called "The Blackest Album" which I found due to liking Apoptygma Berzerk and Razed in Black. Might not be for everyone, but I like it. The first song I ever heard from Metallica though was David Garrett playing Master of Puppets on the violin, which is just straight up awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4koOOW7g6I&t=83s I think there's something to be said about music whose source gives a lot of potential for both entirely different styles of music, including a world class violinist.
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Here's my super hot take: Metallica was 100% right about Napster. It's fifteen years later and the co-founder of Napster sits on the board of Spotify making millions of dollars off musicians who can no longer make a living wage, and it's largely because sites like Napster devalued music to next to nothing. They've been a terrible band for twice as long as they were ever a good band, but the amount of poo poo they STILL get about "hurr telling people not to steal your music while sitting in your mansions" to this day boggles my loving mind. Watch this interview with Lars and Chuck D from 2000 where they argue both sides of the issue. I hate the poo poo out of Lars Ulrich, but he essentially describes Youtube's entire business model (let people upload whatever they want, make a poo poo ton of money off it without paying the original content creators) a decade in advance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OIqtHBbDWA Popular Human fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Jul 31, 2016 03:32
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Popular Human posted:Here's my super hot take: Metallica was 100% right about Napster. its almost like the record company payola monopoly bullshit was something of a bubble and definitely not sustainable
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Jul 31, 2016 03:34
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I've seen Metallica live about 8 times and they got me into rock and metal when I was a little guy. Thanks dudes.
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Jul 31, 2016 03:37
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Popular Human posted:Here's my super hot take: Metallica was 100% right about Napster. looking at piracy as a potential lost sale is dishonest as gently caress and entirely divorced from the reality of the situation, that it represents an impossible sale.
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Jul 31, 2016 03:39
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hemophilia posted:looking at piracy as a potential lost sale is dishonest as gently caress and entirely divorced from the reality of the situation, that it represents an impossible sale. If you're looking at it from the perspective of a single person deciding whether or not to buy an album or pirate it, sure. But Napster was worth $80 million dollars in its prime (in 1990s money, even), and it didn't pay the artists responsible for making it profitable a dime. Piracy was used and IS being used to screw over the artist while companies like Youtube that let people upload artists' entire discographies rake in millions of dollars thanks to content they didn't create. It's a loving crock.
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Jul 31, 2016 03:47
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friend you do know when you rail against napster, 99% of the people youre going to bat for are millionaires or at least very well off no working musician to my knowledge has ever publicly given a poo poo about downloads and if they have they shouldnt because it spreads their music, which they need
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Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:friend you do know when you rail against napster, 99% of the people youre going to bat for are millionaires or at least very well off not anymore they're not. Which is kind of my point, so thanks. I'm not angry about Napster as much as I am the sort of Netflix-ing of all forms of media. You have Spotify, which chucks a bunch of artist's music in a pot for anyone to listen to and doesn't pay a living wage. You have Netflix, which does the same thing for movies and TV shows. Hell, even Amazon is trying to get into the action for books with Kindle Unlimited. These arrangements are great for the consumer who wants to consume a bunch of media for the least amount of money, and loving awesome for the corporation that makes millions off the subscription model, but loving garbage for artists. And a big reason why it's so tolerated is because file-sharing services devalued the content. Popular Human fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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i mean just look at when radiohead offered in rainbows for free on their website in like 07. they left a tip jar and made a killing. artists only get a tiny slice of a sale. gently caress metallica for taking that stance. im glad they basically failed at it
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Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:i mean just look at when radiohead offered in rainbows for free on their website in like 07. they left a tip jar and made a killing. artists only get a tiny slice of a sale. gently caress metallica for taking that stance. im glad they basically failed at it They also had the massive hype train of a) being the first artist to do that and so having every music publication in the world go apeshit over it and b) already being loving Radiohead. People who have tried it since without those things have failed miserably - even the guy from Nine Inch Nails eventually packed up and went back to a major label. Thom Yorke has also said he regrets releasing In Rainbows that way and that he feels like he helped companies like Apple and Google devalue music and roll out the Spotify model: http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/4/4054634/musics-pay-what-you-want-pioneers-sour-on-giving-away-songs
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I'm increasingly listening to artists who prefer to be heard over making money and i've started paying for music again but like lol at the idea of metallica getting another dime of mine. They violated my trust w/ saint anger and again w/ lulu although I only heard I am the table or whatever off lulu after they put it on youtube.
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Popular Human posted:If you're looking at it from the perspective of a single person deciding whether or not to buy an album or pirate it, sure. But Napster was worth $80 million dollars in its prime (in 1990s money, even), and it didn't pay the artists responsible for making it profitable a dime. Piracy was used and IS being used to screw over the artist while companies like Youtube that let people upload artists' entire discographies rake in millions of dollars thanks to content they didn't create. It's a loving crock. I agree here, although regarding Youtube, they are fairly diligent about removing copyrighted content if it's reported, monitoring not so much. The artists or label can also upload their music to at least make ad revenue off of it. While it might be easy for someone to balk at Metallica "bitching" about losing sales when they were wealthy, piracy has had a pretty devastating impact on artists both small and large, and not just in music. Piracy is one of the major reasons why people in the porn industry don't make anywhere near what they used to. Authors make a lot less money too, and again piracy hurts here. hemophilia posted:looking at piracy as a potential lost sale is dishonest as gently caress and entirely divorced from the reality of the situation, that it represents an impossible sale. On a whole that is somewhat true, but not entirely. It's one of those situations where if something costs $10, $15, $20 whatever for an album but there's also an option for free, of course most people are going to opt for that free version if it means they don't have to pay for it. So yea, while a good chunk of people might download an album when they never would have intended to buy it, there's plenty out there who would pay for if they couldn't get it for free or at a price that's more affordable to them. Going again with YouTube, many people are fine with dealing with ads to watch a song for free, and if it's uploaded by the artist or label, there's compensation. It's a win-win there. HBO has had success with HBO Now despite the fact that Game of Thrones is the most pirated TV show out there. They gave an affordable option to people who otherwise would pirate stuff because previously no one could watch it without having cable which was significantly more expensive per month. I highly doubt HBO would have over 800,000 paying subscribers if they thought that every act of piracy would have equated to no sales at all.
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Hmm yes let's go back to pre-Internet times so we can have more millionaire rock stars like Lars Ulrich and Bono Lord knows these Taylor Swifts and Bruno Marses of today are starving
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What do you mean it's super easy to record and distribute music today? But Lars Ulrich, in 2016, what about him ???
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Musicians making money off record sales will be eventually be seen as a historical novelty that was only possible because for about 80 years a person had to buy physical media to listen to music in their home (apart from radio which offered select cuts in order to promote album sales). Now that digital audio and the internet has made the same material practically free for anyone to produce and distribute, that poo poo is over and it ain't coming back. So now, musicians who want to make money in the music business have to do so on performances or maybe find a sugar daddy. Edit: or be famous enough to get decent licensing deals
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Lets be real though, daft punk has more to do with the state of music than piracy for real. The advent of the home studio and the internet killed music more than anything. Certain genres require a decent microphone, and a $500 software suite at most to do properly. Labels and the recording industry as a whole lost out when the internet meant they and the distributors they worked with, couldn't be gatekeepers anymore.
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My dad once described Metallica to me as "The band with the orchestra, and there's an irish guy in it" because he couldn't remember their name.
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Metallica got me into metal when I was 13 and now that I'm 30 I only listen to one Metallica song. "Hit the Lights," by far the best song they ever put out. AJFA was an overproduced turd with no bass whatsoever. The Black Album is just boring. Ride the lightning is still cool.
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the great deceiver posted:actually ride the lightning is still a dope loving album I agree, but it sounds awful. Though apparently there is like a super amazing high-res mix out there somewhere? Bruce Kison posted:Among the Living by Anthrax still owns Yeah, though in retrospect, I prefer Persistence of Time now.
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caught in a mosh is a good song. fast forward to a couple years ago, the devil you know is a good song that sounds at most a couple years removed from the former. that's what i like about anthrax.
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Ride the lightning is their best album and master of puppets is second. everything else is basically equal. I had the privilege of getting into metallica right when re-load came out so I can appreciate their non-metal stuff a little bit more as it was my first CD as a kid. I loving cant stand megadeth and even though Mustaine is responsible for a lot of Metallicas early work including RtL its very obvious he was influenced into writing significantly better riffs while around James and Lars so he gets a pass for that. Anthrax and Slayer are both garbage bands and I have no idea why they were successful. Rain in Blood is cool tho I guess. Scott Ian though must be dying for the day he gets a phonecall that someone is making a documentary about HIS band for other people to give sound bytes for lol.
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Laserface posted:Ride the lightning is their best album and master of puppets is second. everything else is basically equal. This is like the mastertext of wrong opinions
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Exodus is cool, I remember listening to one of their albums and this edgy song about Jesus came on with the lyric "now you're cruciFUCKED and you're out of luck!" and I just nodded and thought "these guys are alright"
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