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Son of Sam-I-Am
Feb 12, 2002






I said come in! posted:

Babylon 5 is an extremely good show.

Finally. Someone had to say it.

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ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007





Jeffrey of YOSPOS taking over Something Awful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaUoRZLjl2k

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Pillbug

I said come in! posted:

Babylon 5 is an extremely good show.

How can you say something so controversial yet so brave?

adhuin
Sep 15, 2008

Take over the World!



I said come in! posted:

Babylon 5 is an extremely good show.

It is one of my top 3 JMS shows too.

Endless Trash
Aug 12, 2007




1. Babylon 5
2. Crusade
3. The first half of the first episode of Sense8 before I turned it off

V-Men
Aug 15, 2001

Don't it make your dick bust concrete to be in the same room with two noble, selfless public servants.

Endless Trash posted:

1. Babylon 5
2. Crusade
3. The first half of the first episode of Sense8 before I turned it off

I kind of liked Sense8, though it is a bit difficult to follow. I think the payoff at the end of season 1 is worth it though. I'd say thematically it reminds me of his Rising Stars graphic novel.

adhuin
Sep 15, 2008

Take over the World!



Also Jeremiah was great.



sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk


V-Men posted:

I kind of liked Sense8, though it is a bit difficult to follow. I think the payoff at the end of season 1 is worth it though. I'd say thematically it reminds me of his Rising Stars graphic novel.

Sense8 is fun nonsense, and worth watching until you feel like stopping, because if you're not totally on board then the end certainly won't change your mind.

Polaron
Oct 13, 2010

The Oncoming Storm


I liked Sense8

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!



adhuin posted:

It is one of my top 3 JMS shows too.

This is not a particularly high bar to clear.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


The Real Ghostbusters was good

Son of Sam-I-Am
Feb 12, 2002






Hard to narrow it down really, but I'd have to say that B5 is somewhere in my top 1 shows of all time.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!



Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

Hard to narrow it down really, but I'd have to say that B5 is somewhere in my top 1 shows of all time.

I genuinely do not understand how you can be a conservative and love B5.

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

They smelled of pubs, and Wormwood Scrubs, and too many right-wing meetings.

So I twatted them with a magic yo-yo. Because, hell, why not?


Timby posted:

I genuinely do not understand how you can be a conservative and love B5.
Must be like all these people who complain that Star Trek has "got political".

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014


sebmojo posted:

Sense8 is fun nonsense, and worth watching until you feel like stopping, because if you're not totally on board then the end certainly won't change your mind.

I felt like stopping halfway through the first episode, so I did.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004




I really liked season 1 of Sense8 but didn't bother with season 2. Before I could start, I saw the news that the show was being canceled even though season 2 supposedly did not wrap up the storyline, so I just didn't bother to continue from there.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007






Timby posted:

I genuinely do not understand how you can be a conservative and love B5.

20 years ago I could have told you.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014


Timby posted:

I genuinely do not understand how you can be a conservative and love B5.

Sheridan and Garibaldi are both fundamentally conservative, just of a cleaner kind that isn't happy to embrace fascism - the kind that many conservatives imagine themselves to be. The Interstellar Alliance is Space NATO created by humans and in general there is a lot of positive human exceptionalism; only humanity has many diverse religions, only humanity could have created the Babylon Project, and if Earth isn't the best yet it's still the fastest rising power in the galaxy where the Minbari are senescent, the Centauri decadent and the Narn barbarous.

Endless Trash
Aug 12, 2007




Babylon 5 is a story about a bunch of inevitable wars that pit Good vs. Evil. That moral simplicity and righteous violence is probably pretty tempting to a conservative mindset.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004




Timby posted:

I genuinely do not understand how you can be a conservative and love B5.

No way, some of the most sympathetic characters, like Garibaldi, have very hardlined conservative views.

Son of Sam-I-Am
Feb 12, 2002






Timby posted:

I genuinely do not understand how you can be a conservative and love B5.

Then I can only speculate that you fundamentally misunderstand conservatism.

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Pillbug

Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

Then I can only speculate that you fundamentally misunderstand conservatism.

So do all modern conservatives.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Endless Trash posted:

Babylon 5 is a story about a bunch of inevitable wars that pit Good vs. Evil. That moral simplicity and righteous violence is probably pretty tempting to a conservative mindset.

It’s more about chaos and order, strength and obedience, green or purple.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007





Green.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Purple.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007





Green!

ZRM
Nov 25, 2007


So the Drazi were still doing their election ritual thing during the shadow war right? Do you think one side fought on the Babylon 5 side, or did both of them? It's really funny thinking of them fighting and fighting until they exited hyperspace in B5 space, and then they had to stop immediately cause of Green Leader and Purple Leader (Ivanova).

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

PURPLE!

Ayin
Jan 6, 2010

Have a great day.


Doctor Zero posted:

It’s more about chaos and order, strength and obedience, green or purple.
Yeah I was gonna say, if you thought Shadows vs Vorlons was Evil vs Good, you may have missed the point

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


It does feel really portrayed as that until the last moment.

Son of Sam-I-Am
Feb 12, 2002






I genuinely do not understand how you can be a purple and love B5.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

I genuinely do not understand how you can be a purple and love B5.

But it coincides with my other interests of having one eye and flying, and I assume Jha'dur did some people-eating.

Strange show.

Endless Trash
Aug 12, 2007




Ayin posted:

Yeah I was gonna say, if you thought Shadows vs Vorlons was Evil vs Good, you may have missed the point

Yeah it was very sudden but it was Good vs. Evil still. The Good of “freedom for your species to pursue its own destiny” vs. the Evil of “ancient species using you like pawns”. It was pretty clear cut, no grey area there.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004




Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

I genuinely do not understand how you can be a purple and love B5.

No way, some of the most sympathetic characters, like Juphar Trkider, have very hardlined purple views.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004





Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

I genuinely do not understand how you can be a purple and love B5.

It's the royal color.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014


Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

I genuinely do not understand how you can be a purple and love B5.

But in purple, I am stunning!

Endless Trash posted:

Yeah it was very sudden but it was Good vs. Evil still. The Good of “freedom for your species to pursue its own destiny” vs. the Evil of “ancient species using you like pawns”. It was pretty clear cut, no grey area there.

Freedom is not inherently good, though. Freedom is the freedom to decide whether to be good or evil.

Son of Sam-I-Am
Feb 12, 2002






Jedit posted:

Freedom is not inherently good, though. Freedom is the freedom to decide whether to be good or evil.

Just because something can be abused, doesn't mean it is bad in itself.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

Just because something can be abused, doesn't mean it is bad in itself.

But not being inherently bad doesn't make something inherently good?

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014


Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

Just because something can be abused, doesn't mean it is bad in itself.

"This isn't black vs white. X isn't black."

"You mean X is white?"

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Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Jedit posted:

"This isn't black vs white. X isn't black."

"You mean X is white?"

Right, it could be purple.

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