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Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

The_Doctor posted:

The GBBO remit is that you’re baking like you’re at home, as these are all amateur home bakers. No one has a blast freezer at home.
Your freezer wouldn’t be empty at home. These bakers are throwing things into an empty freezer and no wonder it’s not cold enough.

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HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
I made a bread Houdini and a bread James Walvin and had them do their own bread bakeoff.

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames
This time, the contestants are asked to make a confectionary homunculus of Paul Hollywood's wife, who he has recently announced his separation to.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Watching the Big Brunch semifinals. During the "we're sad to see you go" to the contestants that didn't make the finals, Sohla is saying "was great to eat your food" and they cut her off to say she's their new hero. To which she just goes "what why?"

Big summer camp vibes of the show. Kind of reminds me of early GBBO seasons.

Starting the finale. They have business owners/mentors come in who specialised in each contestants areas, and it's impressive how well they lined up interest/business wise. This show has an air of investment in the contestants you don't see in other shows.

CatstropheWaitress fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Nov 29, 2022

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Matt Lucas is out on GBBO.

thetan_guy42
Oct 15, 2016

murdera

Lipstick Apathy
is anyone else rubbed the wrong way by J Kenji-lopez alt? he presumes to be the authority of cooking on yt, the chewing noises are loving horrible, and his "regular guy" facade just comes off so patronizing. the heckin doggo pupper poo poo can go straight to hell also. don't get me started on babish.

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

Ah here we go

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat

flashy_mcflash posted:

Ah here we go

Ask him who he likes and then put them down

Mr_Roke
Jan 1, 2014

thetan_guy42 posted:

is anyone else rubbed the wrong way by J Kenji-lopez alt? he presumes to be the authority of cooking on yt, the chewing noises are loving horrible, and his "regular guy" facade just comes off so patronizing. the heckin doggo pupper poo poo can go straight to hell also. don't get me started on babish.

Does he still have the motion sickness inducing camera work? That's what's kept me from watching his video stuff.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
Kenji's social media has always sucked for me. I'm happy to use his recipes and cookbooks, but I have no interest in his life, his opinions about reddit, etc. As long as he's just annoying and not politically gross, I'm totally happy with just engaging on that more old-school/distant level. I can't stand Alton Brown either fwiw, I can't handle that level of cringe.

more falafel please
Feb 26, 2005

forums poster

I guess I just know a lot of gen xers/elder millennial libs irl who are Kinda Online and try to be cool with the heckin doggo stuff and it's fine. like it's cringe but they mean well, who cares. Kenji's recipes are good and his approach to cooking lines up pretty well with how I tend to do things, kinda halfway between getting out the .01g resolution scale and just winging it and going on vibes.

The GoPro stuff doesn't trigger motion sickness for me but I understand why it would. Absolutely cursed FOV.

Borsche69
May 8, 2014

there's some other stuff that bugs me but the chewing noises are definitely at the top of the list.

Borsche69
May 8, 2014

i can't remember if it was mind of a chef or something else but there was a show i enjoyed where they pretty rarely ever showed the chefs eating what they just made. and it was some good fun watching comments of it, both on youtube and elsewhere with people complaining about them not tasting and commenting on the food. i get it from a certain perspective, theres something to be said for giving the viewer the 'tasting notes', but a lot of those notes generally vague garbage and the desperation with which a lot of those posts were made reminded me of like a sick pervert desperate for his moneyshot.

Borsche69
May 8, 2014

Anne Whateley posted:

Kenji's social media has always sucked for me. I'm happy to use his recipes and cookbooks, but I have no interest in his life, his opinions about reddit, etc. As long as he's just annoying and not politically gross, I'm totally happy with just engaging on that more old-school/distant level. I can't stand Alton Brown either fwiw, I can't handle that level of cringe.

i think the big thing that gets me is the way he's almost ashamed of the food lab part of his career with regards to the dedication towards looking for the correct process/technique/perfection etc. something about this reeks of trying to have it both ways. he'll admonish another youtuber for not doing double blind tests for a technique, and then blindly adhere to advice that you should wash beef before a stir fry.

food youtubers in general in that babish/weissman/chlebowski/ragusea four horsemen of the apocalypse space have all at one time or another just sort of referenced kenji as this all knowing all seeing food guy, so i understand a little bit of kenji's frustration of the 'food bro' concept. the one meme with the sunglasses guy with his arm around a girl explaining to her why bringing a steak up to room temperature actually has no bearing on the sear or the cook. but ultimately i see no reason to wholly discard having some rigor in the process of testing recipes and techniques.

part of it is that chef john is the best and no one's gonna compare to him anyway

more falafel please
Feb 26, 2005

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babish is unabashedly trying to build A YouTube Brsnd and that's fine I guess. His content is ok and I'll watch it if I care about the recipe. Ragusea is trying to fit the Alton Brown niche but isn't actually a chef or a scientist but will pretend to be both. Ethan is just a bro doing home cooking content, and it's pretty good. I've never used his recipes, but his ideas about trying to reduce the barriers to cooking are worth it. Weismann is one of like 3 people I've told YouTube to never show me again. He might be good but his gimmick grates on me so loving hard.

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.
Babish seems like a nice guy and he's amazing at making videos but he is not a great cook. You'll get much more out of Googling the same keywords he does and following the same recipes he does. At least he eventually started shouting out the recipes he had clearly Googled.

Weissman is great except I hate the voice he does and the personality he affects. If he would just be normal his videos would be great.

Never seen any Ragusea or Cheblowski videos. I see Ragusea has a video titled "Deep Frying at Home is a BAD IDEA" which is either clickbait or sacrilege.

I like Kenji, although the chewing sounds do get me a bit, and I agree that he's very unsystematic about when to be systematic and when to just repeat stuff everyone has said without testing it, or with testing it a tiny bit incredibly unscientifically in a way that fails to establish anything like the conclusion he draws and then repeats like it's been definitely proven.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

All the scientific foodtubers are pseudo-scientific anyway. Same thing for Hoffmann the coffee nerd. You blind tasting two things is not science. They frequently control just a few variables and run the “experiment” just once. It doesn’t even approximate food science.

I get why they do it, but there’s something dangerous about dressing it up as science as opposed to entertainment. It’s slightly mitigated, I guess, by their apparent nonchalance (“Here’s the science, but you do whatever makes you happy.”)

Doom Rooster
Sep 3, 2008

Pillbug

more falafel please posted:

babish is unabashedly trying to build A YouTube Brsnd and that's fine I guess. His content is ok and I'll watch it if I care about the recipe. Ragusea is trying to fit the Alton Brown niche but isn't actually a chef or a scientist but will pretend to be both. Ethan is just a bro doing home cooking content, and it's pretty good. I've never used his recipes, but his ideas about trying to reduce the barriers to cooking are worth it. Weismann is one of like 3 people I've told YouTube to never show me again. He might be good but his gimmick grates on me so loving hard.

This.

I’m a little sad about Chef John now. His recipes have always been a really great base to start with and adjust based on your own tastes. He’s been at it so long though that he has basically done everything that’s not way outside his wheelhouse. He’s scraping the bottom of the barrel with some wonky poo poo now, and I am almost never interested enough to watch.

If I’m cooking something for the first time though, Chef John’s back catalogue is usually my first stop.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


I haven't quite turned on Lagerstrom yet, but I've definitely stopped when he gets to the silly "Let's Eat This Thing" dance party of the vids.

Adam R's sheet tray pasta bake is great tho.

Kaiju Cage Match
Nov 5, 2012




more falafel please posted:

Ragusea is trying to fit the Alton Brown niche but isn't actually a chef or a scientist but will pretend to be both.

Ragusea used to teach journalism, and that shows in his videos. I like his informational videos, which are a nice deviation from pure cooking.

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

Glen of Glen and Friends is still the king for me. He's personable and his recipes are mostly cool and I appreciate that he has every opportunity to be a rich rear end in a top hat who owns a plane but he just doesn't come off that way. His admitted ineptness when it comes to icing a cake is very relateable too.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



Kaiju Cage Match posted:

Ragusea used to teach journalism, and that shows in his videos. I like his informational videos, which are a nice deviation from pure cooking.

Yeah, I can tolerate the Ragusa vids, even if I don't Actively seek them out. They're fine. Informative. I'm glad IM not the one who has to find out if acorn tea tastes good or not.

I just pretend Adam Driver has a youtube cooking channel.

mystes
May 31, 2006

more falafel please posted:

babish is unabashedly trying to build A YouTube Brsnd and that's fine I guess. His content is ok and I'll watch it if I care about the recipe. Ragusea is trying to fit the Alton Brown niche but isn't actually a chef or a scientist but will pretend to be both. Ethan is just a bro doing home cooking content, and it's pretty good. I've never used his recipes, but his ideas about trying to reduce the barriers to cooking are worth it.
I used to dislike Ragusea but honestly he's been putting out pretty good content and he's good at actually researching stuff he doesn't know even if he doesn't have a culinary/science background so I've kind of changed my mind about him (even if I don't actually watch every video he puts out).

That said he has made a couple truly dumb videos in the past: the one about knife skills (just teach yourself to curl your loving fingers in already and don't be like "i'm not a chef so it's okay if I stubbornly insist on using a knife in a dumb unsafe way :smug:" ) and the one that's like "don't bother deep frying at home".

I actually find Ethan 1000x more annoying.

Doom Rooster posted:

This.

I’m a little sad about Chef John now. His recipes have always been a really great base to start with and adjust based on your own tastes. He’s been at it so long though that he has basically done everything that’s not way outside his wheelhouse. He’s scraping the bottom of the barrel with some wonky poo poo now, and I am almost never interested enough to watch.

If I’m cooking something for the first time though, Chef John’s back catalogue is usually my first stop.
He's mostly stopped doing weird poo poo and now just posts compilation videos that combine multiple of his older videos. I don't know if that's better or worse.

Doom Rooster
Sep 3, 2008

Pillbug

Kaiju Cage Match posted:

Ragusea used to teach journalism, and that shows in his videos. I like his informational videos, which are a nice deviation from pure cooking.

Ragusea really rubs me the wrong way because it feels like he just does not give one single poo poo about food on a personal level. It feels like he is treating it as a complete abstraction, and his deep dives have nothing to do with enjoyment and pleasure, just an objective correctness.

He may very well be providing information that is helpful, or instructions that result in a delicious meal, but it feels like he may as well be following Ikea instructions instead of being a master woodworker.


flashy_mcflash posted:

Glen of Glen and Friends is still the king for me. He's personable and his recipes are mostly cool and I appreciate that he has every opportunity to be a rich rear end in a top hat who owns a plane but he just doesn't come off that way. His admitted ineptness when it comes to icing a cake is very relateable too.

Oh hell yes! I have more Glen videos saved than any other. He is super chill but has juuuuuust the right amount of pretentiousness. Just a tiny little pinch. His style of cooking meshes with mine too, which is the “deep knowledge leads to being able to mess around with stuff.”

mystes posted:

He's mostly stopped doing weird poo poo and now just posts compilation videos that combine multiple of his older videos. I don't know if that's better or worse.

Yeah, don’t know if that’s better or worse. I can’t blame him though. His 10 year library of great videos might as well be his life’s work. He’s just gotta keep pumping out something regularly to keep the algorithm happy and pushing new viewers to his channel to discover his massive library.

Doom Rooster fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Dec 17, 2022

captkirk
Feb 5, 2010
Ragusea or Cheblowski are okay, though not a fan of Cheblowski's presentation (he has a lot of videos that are basically influencer 'what i eat in a day' content, I like some of the recipes but hate the format). I like Ragusea though maybe that's because he does things I also like to do (like when he grew a loaf of bread).

I liked Weissman for a while but his schtick got a little old and his screen personality turned up to 11 is kind of intolerable.''

I like Kenji's YouTube content, I think it's a good contrast to all the previously listed channels because it's very low key, in a kitchen that was not staged for film and none of the draw is spectacle. Though I can see how the go-pro and mouth sounds can grate on folks.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

This shit's about to go off.
I like Kenji, I’ve checked out those four other guys and don’t like any of them, they’re either Peak YouTuber or trying to be some sort of mogul. They suck. Every Kenji recipe I’ve made has turned out great so I pretty much trust him at this point and those things people brought up like the chewing and dogs (seriously what the hell is this complaint??) don’t bother me at all.

mystes
May 31, 2006

Colonel Whitey posted:

those things people brought up like the chewing and dogs (seriously what the hell is this complaint??) don’t bother me at all.
I'm sort of entertained by commenters getting mad at him for stuff like temporarily putting clean stuff in his sink (even though I would never do this personally) or feeding his dogs.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Alvin is the better cook on Babish. :colbert:

Furious Lobster
Jun 17, 2006

Soiled Meat

The_Doctor posted:

Alvin is the better cook on Babish. :colbert:

I like his videos on restaurants more. The one on Goldee’s was fantastic.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
Every foodtuber is annoying in one way or another (Kenji made fun of my homemade baking steel because he was selling a licensed one) but you gotta learn to tune out the annoying parts and enjoy the useful info

Borsche69
May 8, 2014

mystes posted:

I used to dislike Ragusea but honestly he's been putting out pretty good content and he's good at actually researching stuff he doesn't know even if he doesn't have a culinary/science background so I've kind of changed my mind about him (even if I don't actually watch every video he puts out).

That said he has made a couple truly dumb videos in the past: the one about knife skills (just teach yourself to curl your loving fingers in already and don't be like "i'm not a chef so it's okay if I stubbornly insist on using a knife in a dumb unsafe way :smug:" ) and the one that's like "don't bother deep frying at home".

there's two from him that put him on an all timer poo poo list, even if he's moved away from making this kind of stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rb2iQALiXU

this is pretty explanatory. stupid dumb clickbait stuff that doesn't make any sense. it feels like he was trying to one-up his 'why i season my x instead of my y' vid. "turkey is just a vehicle for gravy so i wont even bother to season mine"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npbj6Z-JL8U

this one is just dangerous as gently caress and features him trying to drape an oiled dough directly on top of red hot oven racks. skip to like 2:10 in, its pure insanity. all for an end product that's clearly not very good, just to save some dollars on a pizza stone/steel.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
Chef John may no longer have quite the quantity + quality of output as before, but I just attempted a smaller version of what he posted a few days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLOJ9jETXss

and that, my friends, was a very good pastry, even if less... professional in appearance:



I really do hope you give these a try soooon.

mystes
May 31, 2006

The_Doctor posted:

Alvin is the better cook on Babish. :colbert:
Alvin is very good but basically every video on his channel by other people has always been way better than the videos with him

I think I said this before when there were more other people on his channel after the BA exodus, but his channel would be much better if he just managed/produced it rather than hosting the videos because he probably legitimately is good at that

prayer group
May 31, 2011

$#$%^&@@*!!!
Yeah, Ragusea's interest in food seems purely analytical and joyless. He's very transparently doing it because it's an easy way to get YouTube Famous. I find his personality off-putting and needlessly contrarian -- which, again, is just for clicks.

It's funny that previous threadtroll droll got banned and someone else stepped in to fill the role.

mystes
May 31, 2006

I don't like when Ragusea is pointlessly contrarian but I actually don't mind him being "joyless"... If I'm watching his videos it's to get information about food not to watch someone be joyful about food. If I wanted that I would watch Sohla's videos (and of course I do)

Borsche69
May 8, 2014

i just need something to watch while i eat my food at my desk with all of the lights turned off

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

This shit's about to go off.
I will say that the thing that bugs me about Kenji is that his written recipes differ wildly from the YouTube versions. Like, not just an ingredient substitution or two, but completely different steps and techniques. I like to have both at my disposal when I try out his recipes but frequently I have to pick and choose which parts of which version I’m going to use.

Borsche69
May 8, 2014

Colonel Whitey posted:

I will say that the thing that bugs me about Kenji is that his written recipes differ wildly from the YouTube versions. Like, not just an ingredient substitution or two, but completely different steps and techniques. I like to have both at my disposal when I try out his recipes but frequently I have to pick and choose which parts of which version I’m going to use.

i wish he updated his neopolitan pizza dough recipe, since the one on serious eats uses volumetric measurements instead of bakers percentages or at least ffs weighted measurements

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
IIRC, Kenji YouTubes are lazy weeknight recipes, written recipes are for impressing people

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Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

This shit's about to go off.

Steve Yun posted:

IIRC, Kenji YouTubes are lazy weeknight recipes, written recipes are for impressing people

I just did his fried chicken; the written recipe called for frying and finishing in the oven, and the youtube one called for double frying and had more resting and waiting, it seemed a little more involved. I did the written version and it turned out pretty dang good but I think the double frying method would be even better.

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