Auspol October - How far up his arse do you think he'll go?

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ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

# ¿ Oct 1, 2016 09:20

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 10:24

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Cleretic posted:

I demand a royal commission into where the gently caress September went.

EDIT: Also into daylight savings, because it's literally the worst thing in those few hours where it actually matters.

Look we went to September with a mandate and you have to respect the wishes of the people.

# ¿ Oct 2, 2016 05:11

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Ketchup is actually different to tomato sauce here, its generally tomato sauce, not ketchup used (I'm not sure of the difference, only seen it on supermarket shelves).

# ¿ Oct 2, 2016 07:06

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/03/tony-abbott-says-australia-should-strike-shotgun-trade-deal-with-post-brexit-uk

Well the shotgun sounds appealing....

# ¿ Oct 3, 2016 03:19

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Recoome posted:

it's all Labor and the Green's fault!

Ah, you've been reading the comments I see.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2016 05:59

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

"Oh dear", as Pauline probably never said "how will I ever decide on a vote if my good friend Peter Ashby is facing charges?"

# ¿ Oct 4, 2016 06:46

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Brandis won't go anywhere. Shifted to the backbench at most, and then only after a Senate crisis. The LNP moderate faction desperately need him to hang on, but really he's been a disaster for them; it wouldn't surprise me if the Right engineer a face-saving changeover at Xmas when the media are otherwise engaged (it's not as if they could be bothered now anyway), completely coincidental of course. A public disgrace is not what Turnbull needs right now.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2016 09:54

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Cleretic posted:

He's part of the Liberal moderates?

By the batshit insane metrics of the LNP, yes. They actually think they're real conservatives, compared to the Right faction. Pyne's been under this delusion from the start.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2016 11:38

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Schlesische posted:

Admittedly, I don't actually know, and this is more a question for what the batshit insane metrics of the LNP are.

They started out as an anti-socialist coalition of city (Liberals) and country (Nationals). The Nats were strong economic protectionists, and the Liberals went along with this for a while but by now they've totally abandoned that. The Nats have really lost any reason for existing except for retaining country seats. Ideologically, they should be opposed to the Liberals but that shared social conservatism seems to be the Nats consolation prize.

So the Liberal Party itself has been a weird mixture of social conservatism, and increasing economic radicalism, and they have characterised this to everyone else as being economic 'wets's and 'dries' or Keynesian vs Neoliberalism. But the Overton window is by now so far to the radical right that this kind of division makes no sense at all to anyone else. But increasingly the Liberals are no longer mere social conservativesr, they're more and more recruiting from radical Christian sects, from Morrison on down (believe or not, he's another moderate). Radical conservatives? We need new words.

So when I say "batshit insane metrics", I'm comparing them to the rest of us or even the ALP which is probably halfway to being as far gone. This is how the Right faction of Abbott can think that the Left faction of Andrew Robb are "lefties". I first heard Chris Pyne shouting down a doctor on ABC radio because he said that marijuana wasn't the key problem of psychotic young people presenting at hospital outpatients where he worked and saw this stuff all the time, because Pyne, then Parliamentary Secretary (I think for Health at this point), was very keen to display his knowledge of war-on-drugs talking points. That this guy thinks he's a moderate, small-l liberal, is preposterous. That's terminology from the 70's-80's:

Small-l liberal

noun. Australian. informal. A person who holds liberal political views, as distinct from a member of the more conservative Liberal Party of Australia. 'the small-l liberals see themselves as courageously fighting to maintain ethical life within society'

Yeah, I know it doesn't make sense.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2016 12:31

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

No they were Blue Vietnamese. And the reason he should have been sacked.

Coincidentally a new lefty podcast is getting going. They were going to start this weekend but sound problems means a re-record next week. And the Two Grumpy Hacks podcast is still going, they seem unable to tear themselves away from jolly japes about those silly politicians.

Laura Tingle on Late Night Live says the most likely outcome for Brandis is that his attempt to get a sneaky reg in to make him the clearing house for advice gets disallowed but nothing else. No one gets done for misleading the Parliament these days.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2016 04:34

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

MiniSune posted:

George Brandis is a stupid attention-seeking arse.

We need more lists like these for the lot of them. Quite hair-raising put all together like that. Back in the day, people like Peter Reith had quite a long list IIRC, but some of these guys have managed this in a term.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2016 07:21

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

So on the day Rebecca Wilson's death was announced, there was this

Now Wilson had enemies, but this is pathetic.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2016 08:03

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

chyaroh posted:

Western Sydney Wanderers, one of the A-League football (soccer) teams. A few of their fans were somewhat rowdy and got put on ban lists at grounds. I guess Wilson broke the story.

Basically this. The league basically knew who the culprits were but wouldn't do anything about it and it was seriously hurting the game. She got sick of the BS and published the file. She got death threats, etc. One on the list complained to the Press Council here. It is unclear to me how the Tele got hold of the file but from what I remember of the controversy it wasn't that big a secret.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2016 10:33

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Pidgin Englishman posted:

Good job first dog. What you really needed was to be more awkward and obscure.

Tokamak posted:

yeah, basically. They work as contractors, and Auspost sets the targets for their shifts.

A classic example of how outsourcing fails. in fact a repetition of what happened with Telstra technicians/contractors.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2016 13:57

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

^ snap you win

Anidav posted:

My grandfather sent me another chain email...

Where is the American version?

What, you couldn't google http://www.snopes.com/politics/humor/eagle.asp ?

# ¿ Oct 8, 2016 10:39

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

adamantium|wang posted:

In the House tonight the government accidentally passed this second reading amendment:

I don't understand this idiocy, not even Abbott's government was this bad, unless it's deliberately undermining Turnbull.

Also lmao brilliant idea to get Hanson to attack the NBN.

# ¿ Oct 12, 2016 09:54

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Either Left-Wing or Gutless Sam Dastyari, neither of which are appealing.

# ¿ Oct 13, 2016 09:12

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Jesus he's morphing into Bolt v2. Give him a loving job in the party and get him off the TV.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2016 02:36

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Resident Idiot posted:

Except the Greens who also had a small swing against them. I'm not sure of the politics that gives a swing to a Labor government at the expense of both the Liberals and the Greens.

The political field has broadened, in the sense that more parties are viable. 30 years ago when I started voting, you could count the number of parties on one hand. It's important to remember why the Senate voting changes and registration changes were made: because people are organizing more. It was easier before because no one could be bothered to set up a party based on one or two issues, now they are bothering. Even if there are batshit insane parties to our eyes, they're still representing something to a section of people. Some of this is definitely regional too, which is an interesting development, which might see some inroads into the Nats power base.

As small as our population is and as homogeneous a culture, we might see something similar to Germany's democracy in the future where parties have strongholds in different regions in a more detailed patchwork than at present.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2016 15:35

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

G-Spot Run posted:

Welcome to the Back In My Day cliched existence of the elderly and irrelevant.

Literally the inner-city lefty latte sippers meme applied to a generation, News Corpse first with the fresh ideas :rolleyes:

Because without an underclass how will we save old white guys :qq:

# ¿ Oct 17, 2016 08:19

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

adamantium|wang posted:

Australian Politics: A Tale In Four Paragraphs

Was he going to yell HAHA PRANKT if he won?! The actual gently caress, what is it.

# ¿ Oct 20, 2016 09:47

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

So the new narrative this week is Potato vs 4corners because they wouldn't interview him. He wouldn't go on Lateline afterwards though. Stupid potato.

# ¿ Oct 23, 2016 02:15

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Are these people incapable of understanding words?

No, they change them into the form of something they have and you don't because you don't belong in the angry rabbit club.

# ¿ Oct 23, 2016 05:07

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Ah what great student politics our Morrison hath: the old blame-the-states red tape, "it's someone else who's greedy" excuse. Don't you love it when politicians address the price growth by giving you statistics on price growth? Fantastic, that answered no questions that anyone asked at all. "I will whine about safety regulations that cost money and mumble some catchphrase about supply-side economics and how people don't want to live atop rubbish tips what's up with that, it's not my privilege it's evil state and local government privilege" *runs away*

bump: also this is a good article

https://newmatilda.com/2016/10/09/understanding-pauline/

# ¿ Oct 24, 2016 06:17

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Tim Carmody, destiny beckons! :getin:

# ¿ Oct 24, 2016 06:59

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

How is Mike Baird even in the odds :psyduck:

Also I think Porter is a bigger threat, but I'm also assuming they have the intelligence to throw one of those people way on a stop gap opposition leader and not waste a potential PM, but the LNP has lost its mind so anything is possible.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2016 10:51

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

I just can't wait to see what the Right faction come up with for Brandis and Turnbull. They will probably ask Brandis to stab Turnbull in the bag for a bag of sweeties because he is that buyable, but they're not happy with Abbott at the moment so it's probably time for PM Morrison, even though the base don't trust him.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2016 06:58

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Is there anything more revealing than the sentence "Yet our welfare industry turbocharges the underclass." ?

It's almost as if they both wish they weren't there and desperately need them to point at.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2016 15:15

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

A week old but still hilarious:

quote:

EDITORIALS

Victoria, a misandrist state of child indoctrination

THE AUSTRALIAN
12:00AM OCTOBER 17, 2016

Daniel Andrews� government is either so asinine that it is being led by the nose by far-Left social engineers or it is consciously pursuing an agenda most Australians would recognise as harmful and sinister. Either way, it�s time the Victorian community and the state�s opposition declared: �enough!� Imagine the uproar if preschoolers were indoctrinated with propaganda that set them on guard against their mothers, grandmothers, female teachers or other women. That is precisely what the state�s preschoolers will be subjected to in a new program � though it should surprise nobody that the �villains� they will be warned against are men.

As Rebecca Urban reports today, the Resilience, Rights and Respectful Relationshipsprogram, to be rolled out next year, will associate masculinity with dominance, control and violence against women. It is misnamed. But children will need to be resilient to withstand it, and it shows little respect for families� rights or children�s relationships with their fathers and other men.

In primary school, the misandry introduced in preschool will be followed up with ideology as doctrinaire as Orwell�s �four legs good, two legs bad� Animal Farm mantra.The messagewill boil down to �men bad, women victims��. Given Australia�s poor results in literacy and numeracy, authorities are wrong to divert time and resources from the basics. By Year 7, when children�s attention should be shifting to more advanced maths, science, English and humanities subjects, the program will introduce the concept of �male privilege�, emphasising men as the perpetrators of violent acts. Such brainwashing could harm some children, either fostering stereotypes or provoking a backlash. Others, including many from stable, loving families, will probably ignore it.

Preventing domestic violence among the next generation � the ostensible aim of Resilience, Rights and Respectful Relationships, is laudable. But like the so-called Safe Schools program � which also emerged from Victoria and purports to tackle bullying by promoting �gender fluidity� � the new program is deeply flawed. Guilt-tripping boys for being male or implying that girls are at their mercy is extremist, warped drivel that also overlooks male victims of violence.

Instead of wasting millions of dollars (including in-service teacher training), schools should focus on giving all children the best start in life by improving the teaching of literacy and numeracy for young children, and academic rigour and results at secondary level. Lifting standards is what will prevent students, especially from disadvantaged backgrounds, falling prey to welfare dependence, drug abuse and poverty, which are contributing factors to domestic violence. Effective school discipline that instils sound values, good manners and respect for others � and parents limiting children�s online activity � would also promote better behaviour.

The gender gap school authorities should worry about is why only 40 men are graduating from Australian universities for every 60 women.

Men are dumb.

edit: speaking as someone who lived in Brisbane in the 80's lol if you think this illegal demolition thing will stop happening.

# ¿ Oct 27, 2016 06:00

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

So there's a panel event today, part of a Melbourne Uni media project called New news and it's about Nauru with Wendy Bacon, Paul Farrell and...Chris Kenny.

Unsurprisingly it's descended into classic dogfucking with Kenny accusing the panel and audience of conspiracy theories because he's not an activist and didn't see anything bad.

https://twitter.com/simoncrerar/status/791824498341228544

# ¿ Oct 28, 2016 03:24

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Katherine Murphy pretends the LNP has alternatives to Hansonism

In your typical horse race commentary, Murphy says, after some dithering about Hanson and Joyce:

quote:

The One Nation bloc is four votes in the new Senate. Hanson needs to be appeased inside the parliament, because those votes will be periodically necessary. She�s a swing vote to cultivate. War isn�t an option.

But outside the parliamentary precinct, she�s diabolical trouble. One Nation, if it gets its act together in this parliament, poses an existential threat to the Coalition�s core vote. Hanson needs to be neutralised outside the parliament.

So the Turnbull government has to make some important decisions.

From my vantage point, the options look like this. The government could try and neutralise Hansonism by strengthening the position of the Nationals in the bush with a combination of head patting and cash, and �letting Barnaby be Barnaby�.

But things could get complicated. If the political pressure starts to rise on the Nationals, we could see Barnaby off the leash not only with a burst of front-bar whimsy, but with a list of demands for serious revisionism on policy.

The trade-off during the Howard period between the Liberals and the Nationals was crude, but highly successful: Nationals toed the line on economic rationalism and, in turn, the money flowed to regional electorates.

But we are a distance from the placid consensus vibe of the Howard era. We�ve entered peak fractious and if things get too hot in the bush, the Nationals might seek new terms of engagement.

The government will then have a choice. It can lurch into populism and follow Hanson down the path of Hansonism, or it could hug the middle with some practical action.

One way of combatting the forces giving rise to Trump and Hanson and the Brexiteers is to start thinking more deeply about equity, which, I now believe, is an unavoidable conversation for the centre right. One way to address the anger and alienation with major party politics in Rockhampton is start connecting with the losers of three decades of economic transformation. Yes, really.

One of the more interesting interventions in recent times came from Turnbull�s departmental head, who argued in favour of redistributive policies as a mechanism for rebuilding public consensus for open economies in an atmosphere of rising protectionism.

Let�s call that one the better-angels recourse.

Make no mistake, this will be one of the most fascinating plays of this parliamentary term.

Let's ignore for a moment that Murphy knows exactly what the party will do, unless she has completely ignored their personalities and track record for years and has zero insight, which is still possible and just cut to the chase: they'll go full Hansonism because it has more life in it than they do. What, Tony Abbott playing kiss and make up wasn't an obvious enough signal? Joyce allowed to bellow non-sequitors isn't a an obvious enough signal, it's right under your nose FFS. They'll go full Hansonism because they're stupid and venal and think they can do something the US Republicans can't but use all the same tricks because they so desperately want to be liked by US Republicans and join their hosed up club. The Liberals have been chasing the Nationals vote for decades and now they have a wedge to really hammer in because they'd rather do that than govern a country. Politics in this country have devolved to a loving playpen for bored rich kids who pretend to themselves they're the voice of the people and if they aren't, they'll just steal it from a Hanson and that'll work just fine.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2016 07:18

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Serrath posted:

I mean, silly me for looking for logical consistency but I almost feel like they should be applauding and encouraging social welfare to have children if this is their concern.

You can try that argument on them, they will interpret that as you being a smartarse calling them dumb for being unable to see a link and only believe harder. Richer, better people should have free market children and everyone else is a drain on more ~~money~~ progress.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2016 10:31

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Uspol have had a rough day today with racism callouts etc, and after about 30 odd pages of meltdown, here's one post I thought useful to us too:

Lead out in cuffs posted:

OK, so I'll have a go at an effortpost.

1. Do your own homework on -isms. Don't expect people who are one the receiving end of racism, sexism, etc to have to bear the burden of educating the people on the giving end.

2. Understand that you benefit from a system of privilege founded on prejudice, that your voice is already amplified, and your perspectives given greater weight than people further down the privilege scale than you. http://www.ucalgary.ca/cared/whiteness

3. From 2, do your best to shut up and listen to what people further down the privilege scale from you have to say, without getting defensive. White fragility is real; work against it. http://www.alternet.org/culture/why-white-people-freak-out-when-theyre-called-out-about-race

4. Tone policing is also real, and is another way that privilege and prejudice are reinforced. Don't do that either. http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/12/tone-policing-and-privilege/

All very good reads even if you think you know this stuff. It's very helpful in understanding the angle of media too.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2016 09:22

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 10:24

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Lid posted:

The president of the Carlingford branch, George Popowski, will use a party conference on Thursday to call on the Turnbull government to halt "all immigration and refugee intakes" until an investigation can establish the "risks and benefits" for Australia.

Wow they waited a whole US election campaign just to copy that?

# ¿ Oct 31, 2016 13:16

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