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lozzle posted:To give you an idea how confusing this topic can be, look no further than the Zodiac Killer himself, Ted Cruz. I'm pretty sure Ted Cruz has mixed feelings on whether or not Ted Cruz is white.
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Oct 1, 2016 15:08
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Luckyellow posted:Has Trump fired Conway yet? Calm down it just became October
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Noam Chomsky posted:I will have to search for the articles I was talking about but here is a newer one that speaks to the same things PJ writes about : http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_revenge_of_the_lower_classes_and_the_rise_of_american_fascism_20160302 Looking back at all the predictions of what we face today and in history in general makes it very, very clear to me that the "American way" is just ignoring obvious problems until they boil over and acting surprised when they do.
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a.lo posted:huh? From a European perspective it actually seems strange that you don't consider Hispanic people white, Spain is right here and everything. We don't have Hispanic as a category on our census questions in the UK, 'Other white' would be the natural category.
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An incredible moron on my FB wall:quote:I will always despise her for her unforgivable stances on music and video game censorship, which she advocated consistently as a senator. This has nothing to do with Republican scandal-mongering. I did not vote for Al Gore in 2000 because I did not want to see Tipper Gore in the White House. Same way with Hillary. Help me out goons - I'm sure with Trump's infinite poo poo-spewing spiral that he's probably tweeted about banning/censoring all the precious vidja games. A quick google just finds Brietbart complaining about libs bullying Trump via parody games, and I don't have y'alls deep understanding of Trump history. Is there good exploitable vidja game drama in Trump's past?
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Oh dear me posted:From a European perspective it actually seems strange that you don't consider Hispanic people white, Spain is right here and everything. We don't have Hispanic as a category on our census questions in the UK, 'Other white' would be the natural category. The American perspective for a long time was that the Irish weren't white.
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Endorph posted:I'm pretty sure Ted Cruz has mixed feelings on whether or not Ted Cruz is white. I'm pretty sure Ted Cruz knows he's white. Racists seem to have disagreed or had mixed feelings considering their support for Trump. However, I will say that the racists I knew personally were Cruz supporters in the primary.
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Squidster posted:An incredible moron on my FB wall: The easier route here would be to call your friend a big dumb baby and move on with your life, just imo.
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lozzle posted:The American perspective for a long time was that the Irish weren't white. No, that was the British perspective. The Americans who did that tended to be new British immigrants.
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Squidster posted:An incredible moron on my FB wall: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/280812064539283457
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So we've got a Sharia law praising, multiple divorcee, multiple adulterer, endorser and cameo star of pornography that is still enjoying massive support from the Evangelicals. Can we cut the bullshit and just call the Evangelical vote the White Racist vote?
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Oh dear me posted:From a European perspective it actually seems strange that you don't consider Hispanic people white, Spain is right here and everything. We don't have Hispanic as a category on our census questions in the UK, 'Other white' would be the natural category. Hispanics here fail the paper bag test (their skin is darker than a brown paper bag)
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Xae posted:So we've got a Sharia law praising, multiple divorcee, multiple adulterer, endorser and cameo star of pornography that is still enjoying massive support from the Evangelicals. I know there are at least some Evangelicals who are extremely pro-life/anti-choice that they are begrudgingly voting for Trump purely based on the SCOTUS issue. Any time you see a black Trump supporter (they do exist!) there's a good chance that's the reason.
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:the moral of the story is race is weird and arbitrary, especially in America It's always one of my favorite stories of during the Qing dynasty over in China there was a general who had served under them who was "han" but he asked if they could change his race so that he and his heirs didn't have to pay as much tax. The Emperor himself went "Sure, why not!" and just changed it. It's absolutely brilliant to see how race is little more than a concept at certain points.
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Squidster posted:An incredible moron on my FB wall: What is at least 36 years old? Maybe tell him that the video game and music industry have changed substantially since 2000.
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computer parts posted:No, that was the British perspective. The Americans who did that tended to be new British immigrants. Yeah I suppose that might be true. I've only really been exposed to the American side of hating the Irish. I've never really heard that the British specifically considered the Irish "non-white" but after doing some research I have found references to them being called "white negroes" so I don't know. Can't really find a great source that discusses it. Josef bugman posted:It's always one of my favorite stories of during the Qing dynasty over in China there was a general who had served under them who was "han" but he asked if they could change his race so that he and his heirs didn't have to pay as much tax. The Emperor himself went "Sure, why not!" and just changed it. It's absolutely brilliant to see how race is little more than a concept at certain points. Which is just another added layer of stupidity to so-called "race realists." "Our racism is scientific guys, we swear! There are totally objective racial groups!  "
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Xae posted:So we've got a Sharia law praising, multiple divorcee, multiple adulterer, endorser and cameo star of pornography that is still enjoying massive support from the Evangelicals. Considering what got Evangelicals into politics in the first place was desegregation it's always been that but too PC to point out.
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i read the first page and gotta say, real irresponsible of y'all to encourage prester jane's psychoses
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Josef bugman posted:It's always one of my favorite stories of during the Qing dynasty over in China there was a general who had served under them who was "han" but he asked if they could change his race so that he and his heirs didn't have to pay as much tax. The Emperor himself went "Sure, why not!" and just changed it. It's absolutely brilliant to see how race is little more than a concept at certain points. Do you have a link or a source or something for this story? I'd like to read more on that.
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Speaking of irresponsible, the only mention of Farage's current ties to the Trump campaign is a single article on the Guardian that is a flat denial of involvement? At least wait until he's made the flight across the Atlantic before coming to that conclusion, or for another source to pick up the story.
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Oct 1, 2016 15:36
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bowser posted:I know there are at least some Evangelicals who are extremely pro-life/anti-choice that they are begrudgingly voting for Trump purely based on the SCOTUS issue. Any time you see a black Trump supporter (they do exist!) there's a good chance that's the reason. Yeah. Conservatives have hitch themselves to as many stupid "moral" issues as possible so they get a base willing back them because they hate "the sin of gayness" or want to stop "murdering babies" or even just because they hate Muslims. The key is to find something that a chunk of the population dubs the greatest of sins and tell them that you're against it. If they know anything else about you, they'll gladly ignore it since you oppose what they think of as the sign of true evil. Said base will never question why all the things they consider the only sins that matter are specifically just things they personally feel uncomfortable with, so you're golden even if you drink the blood of orphans in your off hours so long as you say what makes them feel secure with themselves.
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Grundulum posted:Speaking of irresponsible, the only mention of Farage's current ties to the Trump campaign is a single article on the Guardian that is a flat denial of involvement? At least wait until he's made the flight across the Atlantic before coming to that conclusion, or for another source to pick up the story. That's a revision. The original article stated that he had already made the flight.
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mandatory lesbian posted:i read the first page and gotta say, real irresponsible of y'all to encourage prester jane's psychoses When your psychoses are successful in predicting the actions of an insane presidential candidate we will encourage those, too, don't worry.
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Xae posted:So we've got a Sharia law praising, multiple divorcee, multiple adulterer, endorser and cameo star of pornography that is still enjoying massive support from the Evangelicals. I found it revealing during the leadup to Super Tuesday that Trump was leading, and usually by double digits or close, in every Southern state except Texas, and was leading specifically among evangelicals. I thought it pretty much gave away the game that racism was much more central to the political identity of the "evangelical" voter than evangelism. At the same time most news coverage completely ignored this and talked up Cruz's huge advantage in the "SEC" primary because of all the evangelical Bible Belt voters his candidacy was engineered to appeal to, as if the polling and the recent South Carolina result didn't even exist.
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Endorph posted:On the other hand, that guy is acknowledging that women like and enjoy sex. That's pretty progressive for the republican party. You haven't spent much time around evangelicals, have you? They believe that God's decreed role for women is to be mothers, and that they feel this divine purpose in the form an all-consuming drive to become one. However their minds are weak and without the guidance of both Him and a Godly husband they lack the ability to understand and control this urge and become turbosluts as a result. vorebane posted:And the GOP will have to deal with everyone knowing that outright racist red meat rhetoric gets primary votes. There will be a lot more Trump-like and Herman Cain-like candidacies I think. The math of needing the far right fringe in the primary won't go away for awhile. This is my impression as well. The racists and other deplorables have figured out that they don't have to be quiet and take what the business wing of the GOP offers up. They also figured out that they get a ton validation as a result. They aren't going away. The grifters are definitely drooling over what they see as a massive and easily manipulated group of people. They've pretty much tapped out the Tea Party folks who have finally caught on to the way endless "we need money to stop Obama!" pleas that have yielded nothing while directing 90% of the money to a co-owned fundraising operation.
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Oh dear me posted:From a European perspective it actually seems strange that you don't consider Hispanic people white, Spain is right here and everything. We don't have Hispanic as a category on our census questions in the UK, 'Other white' would be the natural category. Most Hispanic people have Native American heritage, since they aren't descended from those that only married with other Europeans over the past 500 years
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mandatory lesbian posted:i read the first page and gotta say, real irresponsible of y'all to encourage prester jane's psychoses What is the responsibility, and as regards what specific psychosis? I'm genuinely sensitive to others' mental health issues, so I don't want to put anyone at risk through bad posting.
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Shifty Pony posted:You haven't spent much time around evangelicals, have you? They believe that God's decreed role for women is to be mothers, and that they feel this divine purpose in the form an all-consuming drive to become one. However their minds are weak and without the guidance of both Him and a Godly husband they lack the ability to understand and control this urge and become turbosluts as a result. I imagine that we'll see another Trump-esque figure, but slightly more competent within the next decade or so to try to pick up what he did. I mean, David Duke is already trying to win a Senate seat.
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Who is @Billmon anyway? I know and used to read his blog back forever ago but who he actually is a mystery. Just some dude who's been consistently right and on point for fifteen years or so.
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I don't remember where I read it but I recall some evangelical source talking about how Trump to them is like Cyrus the great, in that Cyrus was a non Jew who nonetheless has a special place in history because he helped the Jews so much in restoring them, Trump is a non-goodly Christian destined to restore Christianity.
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computer parts posted:No, that was the British perspective. The Americans who did that tended to be new British immigrants. Not true at all. The easiest way to disprove this is by looking at American political cartoons and eugenics propaganda. The Irish were their own category and it was barely a step above being black in America. It's linked to the influx of Irish immigrants, and you can see similar sentiments for Eastern Europeans during the same timeframe. Race is completely nonsensical, though. The census used to have a category for "Hindu" that covered various peoples from Asia and the Middle East. This guy's challenge for citizenship reveals a bunch of weird as gently caress racial understandings from just 100 years ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_Thind i am the bird fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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Xae posted:So we've got a Sharia law praising, multiple divorcee, multiple adulterer, endorser and cameo star of pornography that is still enjoying massive support from the Evangelicals. The problem is that they hold Democratic candidates to a much higher standard of personal behavior, and the media gladly plays along as though a double standard doesn't exist. And it only works one way, because leftists don't so much buy into the existence of a strict "moral" code to hold the opponent to in the first place. This gives the Republicans a distinct advantage in appealing to the low-information voter, who decide who to vote for based on the general feelings they get from headlines and overheard conversations.
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https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/782225360150683648 Journalism, ladies and gents.
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/782225360150683648 What in God's name has been wrong with the NYT this cycle? They specifically seem to have been performing well below their norm.
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mandatory lesbian posted:i read the first page and gotta say, real irresponsible of y'all to encourage prester jane's psychoses I dunno, PJ seems pretty aware of her own issues and seems to take them into account to not go off the deep end. She definitely has a good grasp on Trump's personality even if she overestimates the likeliness of his followers revolting when Trump loses. They're violent assholes but they're also cowards and I think him losing will wake them up a bit. Of course it just means they'll claim he was a RINO and double down, but that's it
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Night10194 posted:What in God's name has been wrong with the NYT this cycle? They specifically seem to have been performing well below their norm. something something Maureen Dowd something something Judith Miller
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