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I was curious about what happens when two different systems of privilege collide; do racist brains get some kind of floating point error? The police have enormous privilege; and white people will idolize them and feel like their actions are completely justified. White victims of violence have enormous privilege as well - if a white kid dies, it's a national tragedy. Their actions leading up to their death are often taken at face value, lawsuits and legislation are quick to follow. So what happens when you get a race - reversed Tamir Rice incident? A uniformed black police officer shoots and kills a white kid playing with a toy gun. Will the privilege of being an officer override the privilege of being a white victim? Will the officer's colleagues and union stand behind him with the same vigor as a white officer? Could we expect the same degree of victim blaming levied at the child, or will he be deified for being an innocent victim of police misconduct?
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unwantedplatypus posted:I'm pretty sure that police privilege is just an extension of white privilege. So in that example the black officer would be quickly charged and punished. But wouldn't singling him out jeopardize all the white police officers when their own conduct gets called into question eventually? I thought the blue wall of silence would prevail in this situation?
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Nov 8, 2016 06:46
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:The Simpsons live in Springfield, North Tacoma (NT) Makes perfect sense. But was the 'honk honk!' gimmick some sort of coded dogwhistle? 
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SwimmingSpider posted:I'm not sure about eveyrone else, but Franchesca Ramsey has gotten a gig with MTV talking Social Justice issues called "Decoded". Her video was really cool and gave me some tools to use on racists in Facebook. Getting somebody to answer honestly the question of "Are you angry at the problem, or the people pointing it out?" and I agree with her that talking about race is a taboo subject in a lot of white families. Much like how talking about wages is taboo, and not surprisingly its the white people who barely make a dollar above minimum wage who are the most strident opponents of raising minimum wage.
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Nov 8, 2016 08:22
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There are prostests in Oakland happening already.
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Nov 9, 2016 15:43
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Let me tell you about log cabin republicans... What happens to them when Pence tries to roll back marriage equity not to mention other legal workplace protections?
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Nov 9, 2016 16:39
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I think there are like 3 different things this white man said which get him a chair to the face each time.
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Nov 10, 2016 21:44
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KTVU channel 2 was showing protests in San Francisco this morning with GA students that walked out to protest the election. A whole procession of rightly angry young prior of color flipping off the camera and mouthing "gently caress this country /President" (audio was cut). It abruptly went back to the frantic news anchor who was making the 'cut! Cut!' gesture before realizing she was on air and she apologized for the explicit language and gestures. Frankly I think they should've just aired it.
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Nov 10, 2016 21:48
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I really wish people would come in and stop poo poo posting in here. It's bad enough the mods created these forum ghettos to 'contain' certain voices but even these aren't even safe. Negromancer, Koalas March, Tiny Brontosaurus and many others have given white posters in here far more slack than they deserve. You can say an unintentionally insensitive question, apologize when your get your rear end checked for it, and they will acknowledge your apology. You can ask direct questions and they will answer if they are relevant. Personally I'm glad we have this thread. I've learned a lot from it, and definitely want to continue to learn.
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Nov 11, 2016 07:39
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visceril posted:That makes his Venture Brothers counterpart even funnier to me now: "No, I only hunt Blaculas!" I kinda wondered if Jefferson Twilight was a problematic depiction because they basically gave him aquamans scope of powers in the grand scheme of things. "No Blaculas here, though I wouldn't rule out Caucasian vampires" He did help Dr. Orpheus in one episode by virtue of being half vampire granted.
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If jurors got compensated better for their time I'm sure you'd see more diverse juries. I'm assuming most people that intend to sit on a jury are old white people because they have the privilege of time. If people didn't have to bow out because of financial reasons more people of color could afford to participate. The downside is that the increased cost would just put even more pressure on the DA to get people to plead out, and possibly fewer people would get a fair trial.
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Nov 12, 2016 19:24
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This mentality of "hi I think of myself as a human being" "Oh you're so entitled demanding everyone AGREE with you" everything is equal truth is in the middle bullshit is exactly what got us here. Sometimes both sides aren't equally bad. Sometimes two opinions aren't equally valid. Sometimes there's such a thing as right and wrong. This is definitely something that I am realizing. Also, saying stuff like "Difference of opinion" is reserved for things like "I don't like coffee" not "I don't think black people deserve basic human privileges" . Huge blind spot for a whole lotta white people. Something I am dealing with lately is that the last week or so reading this thread and the Misogynoir thread has made me realize the sheer depth and scope of racism in America. I knew it was bad, and I thought I understood it better than most other white people, but reading the experiences and bullshit poc have to go through makes me sometimes feel like that fat guy in Mallrats that didn't see the Sailboat in the Magic Eye picture until the end of the film, and spent his whole life  trying to understand. I feel guilty about that; people can change but they should still own up to who they were up to that point (as the son of a born-again Christian dad who likes to pretend everything that happened the 42 years before he found Jesus wasn't relevant).
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I think something that Koalas March, Tiny Brontosaurus, Gfsincere and others did that takes a ton of class is to call out stuff they feel is unacceptable in their space, and yet be open to people willing to come around and accept sincere apologies. To me, this disarms a lot of the morons on SA. If someone was genuinely being naive, they are given a ton of leeway to sort that poo poo out with themselves. If not, please take the next left out of Negrotown. It would have been totally reasonable for them to want to have a poc-only space, and shout down everybody that said something stupid. But they are all patient enough to know that some people are genuinely curious and open to change.
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Nov 12, 2016 23:32
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PantherWill posted:Will that pickup be rolling coal the whole time for the full douche? Followed by stalling his engine and having a poc tow his sorry rear end home.
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While I know this thread is going in a lot of different directions, I'm interested in hearing about experiences about trans-racial adoption. How do you feel about children of color being adopted by white people? Is it another example of white supremacy? I know I've read horror stories about Native American adopted kids fostered by white families who only do it for the money (particularly in places like the Dakotas), and I can't imagine what black children go through in the foster care system. Somebody upthread (or in the Misogynoir thread) touched on having a family member raised by white parents that never touched on race. Granted, I'm privileged by being white, and I can only imagine a nasty culture shock from someone raised to think of a Just World only to have it smacked down because of their appearance. Hence I'm interested in personal experiences with people that grew up with adoptive parents that were a different race, both positive and negative. Prospective parents of foster care/adoption need to be mindful of the very real possibility that their children could be very different from them both physically and culturally. While everybody wants to bring up their children after their own culture for foster care or adoptive parents I feel like they need to be mindful of the cultural background of the children themselves. I've heard an anecdote that every parent of color has had to have the 'talk' with their kids; far from the birds and the bees I assume this talk is about how some people will refuse to treat them the same as they would treat white people. This is an experience obviously different than white people raising their white children under just world logic: "don't do anything that would look bad" "only bad people in the world get punished" "there is always a reasonable outlet for your feelings of anger/injustice". A white person raising up a child of color is going to need to be mindful of the fact that their own child won't necessarily have the privileges growing up they did, and because of that will need to make it a point to help their own child realize this. While I definitely agree white people have a TON of privileges, some white people for various reasons don't have the privileges of having children biologically and I'd be interested in the experiences of people under adoption/foster care.
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Yeah, in Cali, especially the Bay Area, ESPECIALLY if you're fortunate enough to be white, I feel like we all live in a bubble. After the election, I thought people would be a lot more pissed off, but a lot of people were surprisingly like "well that's too bad, I guess we'll have to see what Trump does" as though what affected 80% of the rest of the country didn't matter. Even people of color I talked to didn't seem particularly worried or outraged, but again, we are in a way somewhat 'protected' from the worst potential effects. I would say the biggest problem is that people in the Bay Area see how everybody seems to get along and all and just projects that illusion on the rest of the US. It is so much harder for them to accept that it isn't the case. Admittedly, I can't blame them- [person of color has a crisis] [white person in the Bay Area] Cant you just (oh wait, your county/state doesn't have that option) Ok can't you just (oh, maybe someone in that situation isn't flush with cash to afford a lawyer) Well you can always move (assuming the person is willing to uproot everything to live in a distant place away from any support system they might have up to that point) I'll admit I was guilty of this for a long time. Working a government job in California gives you a really distorted view of just how lovely employers can treat you, because you are so insulated from the worst of it.
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A lot of assumptions I had about people of color dating and various preferences have been shattered after reading people's personal experiences. I had previously been told matter of factly how black women were just less likely to date non black men, it never had occurred to be that people simply didn't want to date black women. So I had it completely backwards.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:It's been really weird in my house this past week.  about the concept of people telling them "Your racism is bad and you should feel bad" like it's the gravest insult you can throw at them. This also makes me believe they know exactly what they are doing ; if they really didn't know how they were making others feel, they wouldn't get so defensive or double down on racist garbage.
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I thought it was the white kids that were grossly over diagnosed by their parents as a smokescreen to hide the shame that these white kids, for all their role models, support, and safety, might just be lazy and dumb. Then the parents get to insist on all these accommodations for their golden child that conveniently only the 'struggling white kid' seems to get. Negromancer's description of how much mediocrity exists in white employees of certain fields seems to lend weight to this possibility.
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In regards to representation, I've been paying much closer attention to people of color in not just TV shows but also TV commercials and how they are portrayed. Also people on Facebook bitching about how the musical Hamilton was racist for allegedly not letting white people audition 
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Death Bot posted:Been reading this thread for the last week, good to help me rethink some poo poo. I live in Macomb county but have never actually worked in it, and Michigan has always been a racist hell hole and I'm surprised anyone is surprised. Aren't the Humans of New York people doing interviews for people in Malcomb county? The name sounded familiar.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Yes they are (I live right at the corner of Wayne, Oakland, and Macomb counties). HONY's fetishization of the poor, poor white people in Macomb county is dumb as hell. Don't read the comments on Facebook 
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:What the gently caress does any of this have to do with black people. Can everybody stop using the two black threads, aka the mod-decreed only place black posters are allowed to post in D&D, as catchall threads for whatever you want to talk about? Sorry for starting the derail. The mention of that county pinged my memory and the comments in Facebook tried to suggest it was Pleasantville where racism didn't exist.
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I heard Kanye was put under observation for his erratic behavior. Undiagnosed mental illness? It would explain the erratic behavior at his concert.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:16
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So is the premise psycho white couple is giving black folks the Stepford Wife type treatment?
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Nov 23, 2016 23:21
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I'm honestly a little jealous I didn't get one of these red texts. Guess I'm still not woke enough 
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negromancer posted:I think my favorite liberal talking point is "well demographic changes are going to make Republicans obsolete in x years" and it's only white folks saying that, because black people know what Apartheid is and how white supremacy controlled a country where white people were a hella tiny minority. How about generational ones? Wasn't there a very different potential outcome to the election if you looked at how younger people voted? Do you think it'll be just as bad when all the Boomers die off?
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Maluco Marinero posted:I think given America has voluntary voting, its very dangerous to assume the demographics will hold 4/8/12 years down the line. There is much the polls don't catch, and if a candidate strikes the right chord a lot of people will show up for quite some time. Yeah but are they as big of a % as Boomers?
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Calling Obama's blackness into question in regards to not being black enough feels like a No True Scotsman.
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Not a Step posted:Its already happening. Although I don't think Latins were ever in danger of being irrelevant. I think they meant it the other way around. Whites are gradually becoming less significant of a majority, but counting Latinos as 'white' would reverse this. Young Latinos are going to be a major voting bloc in the next decade. Most of their parents who immigrated to the US did so when they themselves were young adults.
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Raerlynn posted:No no no, custom av and title. "Negromancer, Arbiter of Blackness" has a nice flow to it. Maybe some kind of color swatches?
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People flipped out that Idris Elba played Heimdall but I thought he was metal as gently caress in the role.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Seems fine to me. The sort of villains I'm talking about tend to have a list of traits sort of like this: I would respectfully disagree about Esposito's role as Gustavo in Breaking Bad though. He was one of my favorite characters in the series and I felt like he was very different character than most black actors would get typecast into.
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Gaunab posted:I had to tell a friend yesterday that racism still exist. It's the second time I've had to tell someone that in two weeks. It was so dumbfounding. He also showed me this video. Middle class white people really want to hold onto the idea that they got where they are thanks to hard work. They don't want to think about racism because if they do then it internally holds them accountable. And it simultaneously doesn't exist but does exist but only the guys in pointy white hoods believe it. Everything about the behavior is distancing themselves from the problem as much as possible. They see the world through their own lens and because their world caters so heavily to them, it's a self reinforcing set of beliefs. Since they don't think anybody should get something they didn't earn, they'll never accept they have things they themselves didn't really earn.
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negromancer posted:That and the Kung Fu Wolf Bitch I think the episode is called. The summary of the episode was "it don't matter how interesting you are if you listen to your single rear end homegirls you always gonna be single." I thought the problem with Luna was that she was really needy because all her exes were abusive to her?
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Anyone seen fences yet? I liked it and enjoyed how multifaceted Denzel's character was. Viola Davis was great too.
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Aren't there still high school proms that are still segregated in some places? Basically all the white kids in the school shell out for a 'private' prom so they don't have to dance in the same venue as the black kids. hosed up if true.
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Something I've noticed regarding Somethingawful board culture: SA is among the more outspoken message boards when it comes to speaking out against pedophilia. People that promote, rationalize, or defend it are sharply ostracized and banned. Previous tolerance of it ("Mods knew" meme, Frontpage content ) are seen as shameful and bad. So there's this understanding that the board culture doesn't tolerate it and a poster that condones it will be run out. People also don't get away with talking about it ironically either. This isn't necessarily because most goons have children: I'd argue the majority on SA don't. And not everybody themselves was molested or necessarily knew someone that was. So at this point, most goons are sharing these opinions about it out of empathy and justice. Supposedly. Here's where it gets turned on its head. Replace 'pedophilia' with 'racism' and its a different story. You can be racist shitheel and goons will tolerate it, defend it, rationalize it, and turn on the person of color speaking out. It's the same story with sexism as well. Goons like to feel good about themselves by contrasting themselves with egregious imgur or reddit posts but that's really like bragging about being the world's tallest midget here. We don't have a down vote system, but that doesn't stop people from getting reported and red texted for wrongthink in board culture. Goons can't seem to apply the same rancor they have against underage anime waifus for actual racism and sexism on the boards. Which makes me question the sincerity they have for the former. The cynic in me feels like taking an 'anti pedophile' stance on SA is popular not because its a decent attitude to have about the subject but because it's a safe opinion to have right now. Speaking out about racists and sexists, to the average white cis poster, risks being on the wrong side of the argument since the board culture isn't as strongly against racism and sexism.
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Eh, the minimum wage in San Francisco could be $5 an hour and housing prices would be just as bad. Theres a lot of scarcity due to foreign investment, air bnb letting building owners turn their properties into fauxtels and the trendiness of the area to single techbros cuts down on vacant rental units considerably. Popular cities with good weather are always going to be prohibitively expensive, especially cities built in the tip of a peninsula that limits growth. I wouldn't want conservatives to latch onto the idea that raising the minimum wage is indirectly bad for minorities because it will give them yet another excuse to justify keeping it down by feigning sincerity "no see keeping minimum wage low is good for poor blacks see..."
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