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I posted this in the Hillary Autopsy thread but not only are things moving a little more quickly there, the kind of people I'm talking about here probably wouldn't have wanted to be associated with the Clintonian Democratic Party in the first place. "Incrementalism is dead." For the past year or so I've been sharing articles on Facebook and pairing this phrase with them as I thought it applied. My family and my circle of friends are lower middle class whites from Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. Ancestry pretty much exclusively German and Scandinavian. Of that circle of friends/family, probably half were gonna vote R no matter what. The other half were absolutely galvanized by Bernie, myself included. Thomas Sowell lists Germans as one of the ethnic groups in America who didn't get involved in national politics and still managed to do well for themselves. I think that's Calvinistic bullshit, but well, now we've got a German in the white house and he's from the wrong party. Oct. 1: quote:http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298812-clinton-criticizes-sanders-fans-in-leaked-audio Sept. 15: quote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/marcia-ranglin-vassell-ousts-majority-leader-squeaker_us_57d98678e4b0fbd4b7bcd122 Aug. 4: quote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/hillary-clinton-necono-republican-endorsements-donald-trump-policy-issues July 27: quote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/27/hillary-clinton-general-election-bernie-sanders-campaign "Incrementalism is dead" as a phrase seems to drop off here but I can see the theme obviously crystallizing as I scroll backward in time on my Facebook wall. July 25: quote:http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/obamas-attempt-to-redeem-america/492710/ June 10: quote:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/democrats-will-learn-all-the-wrong-lessons-from-brush-with-bernie-20160609 May 2: quote:http://www.npr.org/2016/05/02/476202372/taking-it-to-the-limit-cruz-sanders-or-kasich-might-still-revive-convention-wars March 16: quote:http://louderwithcrowder.com/dear-men-who-vote-bernie-sanders-youre-wimpy-and-gross/ March 4: quote:http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/minnesota?smid=fb-share March 2: quote:Surely Sen. Elizabeth Warren will be rewarded by the Democratic establishment for staying on the sidelines and not endorsing Bernie. Bonus articles! Sept. 30: quote:http://thebaffler.com/blog/hrc-should-be-more-like-malkmus July 20 (reminder this is our vice president-elect): quote:https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jul/19/mike-pence-disney-mulan-mischievous-propaganda-us-presidential-election-film might as well leave this fake edit in from the autopsy thread: Previewing this post and looking at the most recent posts, idk who this mirthless guy is, but he's wrong about "Berniebros" voting for Trump. I ended up voting HRC and so did most of my Bernie friends. I'm sure most of my R friends voted for Trump, but truth be told they were very much Charlie Sykes-style conservatives so I can't say for sure.
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But he would raise my taxes so nope I would rather have rear end in a top hat Trump loving poo poo up worldwide.
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Nov 10, 2016 17:55
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Elephanthead posted:But he would raise my taxes so nope I would rather have rear end in a top hat Trump loving poo poo up worldwide. If you're all so willing to paint us with such a broad brush, as a white male I have no qualms going back to being politically apathetic. Bernie delivers a populist movement (mostly borne out of the northern states) on a silver platter and y'all smack it to the ground. What are we supposed to say in reply to that besides "gently caress you too"?
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What the gently caress is the Time of Shedding and Cold Rocks? oh holy poo poo i forgot i still had the snake people extension on my laptop Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 has issued a correction as of 21:52 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 21:49
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Elephanthead posted:But he would raise my taxes so nope I would rather have rear end in a top hat Trump loving poo poo up worldwide. Hahahaha. Looks at this emotional piss baby. "Boo-hoo man I disagree with is a BAD MAN and REAL SCARY and DANGEROUS" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 11, 2016 22:06
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For people who (after obama care, food expenses,etc, etc) have 50 dollars to live on weekly, raising taxes is kind of a nonstarter.
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Nov 11, 2016 22:12
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OWLS! posted:For people who (after obama care, food expenses,etc, etc) have 50 dollars to live on weekly, raising taxes is kind of a nonstarter. And almost any tax plan doesnt raise taxes on them. I'm one of those brokeass people too, I get money back in april. Shoulda Voted Bernie But it was HER TURN gently caress shillary (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 11, 2016 22:59
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:If you're all so willing to paint us with such a broad brush, as a white male I have no qualms going back to being politically apathetic. Bernie delivers a populist movement (mostly borne out of the northern states) on a silver platter and y'all smack it to the ground. What are we supposed to say in reply to that besides "gently caress you too"? why did feingold do worse than hillary in wisconsin
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Nov 11, 2016 23:02
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Losing the Union vote in Michigan and PA is a clear sign that a populist socialism is the future to electoral success for the Democratic party.
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Nov 11, 2016 23:04
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Laphroaig posted:Losing the Union vote in Michigan and PA is a clear sign that a populist socialism is the future to electoral success for the Democratic party. Great point. The Democratic party should continue striving to get less votes, and only accept votes from the "right" people. It's her turn, after all.
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Nov 12, 2016 01:43
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Concerned Citizen posted:why did feingold do worse than hillary in wisconsin Probably for the same reason Walker won two recalls. Wisconsin is red. "There are no jobs in Wisconsin unless you wanna be a trucker." Is something I literally heard from a new hire last year (I'm in Minneapolis)
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Nov 12, 2016 21:18
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Elephanthead posted:But he would raise my taxes so nope I would rather have rear end in a top hat Trump loving poo poo up worldwide. He proposed raising taxes on the extremely wealthy because they have been paying less and less over the decades. It could be fair that you are well within the range of 100m-1bn dollars and are just bored and shitposting on SA I understand your plight. 
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Nov 12, 2016 21:59
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Hillary lost the midwestern vote because her supporters (as demonstrated on these very forums) openly favor wide-scale ethnic cleansing to concentrate the rural population in cities.
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Nov 13, 2016 04:16
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:Hillary lost the midwestern vote because her supporters (as demonstrated on these very forums) openly favor wide-scale ethnic cleansing to concentrate the rural population in cities. that was a thread I participated in, would just say it was people that just drifted in a progressive crowd instead of like ALL supporters. just saying
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Nov 13, 2016 05:51
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Concerned Citizen posted:why did feingold do worse than hillary in wisconsin Because they forced him to carry the DNC torch and protect Barack "Corporate Narcissist" Obama's legacy of Obamacare (which economically never helped them) and Ron Johnson successfully tied him to the failures of the Democratic party of the past 25 years. I can't make this anymore clear, explain to a voter in Wisconsin that NAFTA helped them and then say positive things about a guy who is desperately trying to pass a trade deal that's lovingly called "NAFTA on steroids".
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Hilario Baldness posted:Because they forced him to carry the DNC torch and protect Barack "Corporate Narcissist" Obama's legacy of Obamacare (which economically never helped them) and Ron Johnson successfully tied him to the failures of the Democratic party of the past 25 years. I can't make this anymore clear, explain to a voter in Wisconsin that NAFTA helped them and then say positive things about a guy who is desperately trying to pass a trade deal that's lovingly called "NAFTA on steroids". I only caught brief glimpses of him from his previous run, but Feingold didn't seem like a "Jobs! Living Wage! gently caress Trade Deals!" type that Sanders is or Trump (minus one of the three). He just really likes talking about how he has no corporate influence.
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OWLS! posted:For people who (after obama care, food expenses,etc, etc) have 50 dollars to live on weekly, raising taxes is kind of a nonstarter. Is this literally something you believe? Or are you just projecting hard core on poor people?
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Nov 14, 2016 02:23
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Full communism in America now and labor camps for deplorables.
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The deplorables want communism too, they just don't know it yet. Instead of using the vocabulary term "union" just say "a group of like-minded folk getting together to voice their concerns." Voting Trump and being a racist is not always mutually exclusive. It's about real economic anxiety and repudiating the establishment that hasn't done anything about it... https://mobile.twitter.com/lhfang/status/796948774526423040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://mobile.twitter.com/lhfang/status/796883925545066496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw ...And giving a hearty "gently caress you too" from the heartland along the way. https://mobile.twitter.com/lhfang/status/796992668463087616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Nov 15, 2016 18:13
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I loving hate Lee Fang, he can shut the gently caress up forever
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Nov 15, 2016 18:18
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I'm the one who drew the correlations--he's just spitting numbers. You have something against numbers? In any case, you might recall the president-elect said (and acted on) similar notions about certain press outfits during his campaign.
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Nov 15, 2016 18:28
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:I'm the one who drew the correlations--he's just spitting numbers. You have something against numbers? cool story, bro
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Nov 15, 2016 18:30
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So did Clinton fail because she failed to even pander to these voters or did she fail because they wanted full socialism???
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Phyresis posted:cool story, bro said John the Apostle as Christ finished his "plank in your own eye" parable
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logikv9 posted:So did Clinton fail because she failed to even pander to these voters or did she fail because they wanted full socialism??? It's like 75/25 respectively if I were to give a rough gauge of the sentiment among my far-flung social circles. It's only going to grow as wages fall further behind cost of living increases. Hell my own landlord jacked up the rent for my place in Minneapolis by 6% last June. Now, I've already got close to 50k in school debt--should I take out another 50k to improve my value to the market so I can afford this increase? I have a full time job with benefits and I still worry about the kind of cataclysmic damage an ambulance ride would do to me financially. Or should I vote for someone who's spent the past 20 years touting the Nordic model of social safety nets?
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I wonder if Hillary had done something really rust belt, like come on stage and play Don't Stop Believing while drinking a Bud if she might have won It seems like the biggest factor in being elected president is how well people think they can relate to you, not the policy you have Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump all had that salt-of-the-earth humanity that Gore, McCain, Kerry, Romney, and Clinton never did
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Teikanmi posted:I wonder if Hillary had done something really rust belt, like come on stage and play Don't Stop Believing while drinking a Bud if she might have won I mostly agree with this but an old white Jew named Bernie Sanders seems to have had the same effect on those northern states, and the only way he tried to connect with Joe Blow from Kokomo was repeating his stump speech ad nauseum. And it worked in those states.
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logikv9 posted:So did Clinton fail because she failed to even pander to these voters or did she fail because they wanted full socialism??? Can't it be both?
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punk rebel ecks posted:I only caught brief glimpses of him from his previous run, but Feingold didn't seem like a "Jobs! Living Wage! gently caress Trade Deals!" type that Sanders is or Trump (minus one of the three). He just really likes talking about how he has no corporate influence. No he's pretty awesome. His voting record is right there at the top. Hilario Baldness has issued a correction as of 04:12 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:I mostly agree with this but an old white Jew named Bernie Sanders seems to have had the same effect on those northern states, and the only way he tried to connect with Joe Blow from Kokomo was repeating his stump speech ad nauseum. And it worked in those states. There is something very homey about him, though. He may be an old white Jew, but he's also kinda goofy, with his crazy hair, his YUUUGE New Yohk accent, his little mannerisms and finger waggles, and that he's also from Vermont, one of the least interesting states. Makes him seem a lot more realistic and relateable than Clinton, who for all we know was kept in a cryogenic tube from the time she was SoS to the start of the 2016 campaign season. Bernie had that used car salesman vibe, whereas Clinton just had dead eyes.
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got any sevens posted:And almost any tax plan doesnt raise taxes on them. I'm one of those brokeass people too, I get money back in april. Wouldn't it be relevant to the discussion of Hillary's loss? Or we shouldn't be looking back to the past at all but then shouldn't we move on from discussing the loss itself?
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𝓟𝓮𝓻 𝓗𝓪𝓹𝓼 𝓞𝓾𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮𝓻 𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓶 𝓦𝓪𝓼 𝓘𝓷𝓼𝓾𝓯𝓯𝓲𝓬𝓲𝓮𝓷𝓽 𝓕𝓸𝓻 𝓐 𝓜𝓾𝓵𝓽𝓲-𝓟𝓸𝓵𝓪𝓻 𝓦𝓸𝓻𝓵𝓭
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coke posted:Does anyone know why the act of mentioning the B word are getting people probated? This is probably the 4th or 5th probation I've seen it in this subforum for this exact reason but I can't find it in the D&D or C-SPAM rule thread. welcome to c-spam. gently caress da MODS.
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coke posted:Does anyone know why the act of mentioning the B word are getting people probated? This is probably the 4th or 5th probation I've seen it in this subforum for this exact reason but I can't find it in the D&D or C-SPAM rule thread. basically it's because 99.9999% of the people who mention him are doing so while violating this rule logikv9 posted:If I see you being salty about the 2016 Democratic Primary still after all this time I'm going to probate you, and then ramp up the probation length each time you do it again.
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Incrementalism isn't dead, but the extremely non-incrementalist free trade agenda lost that vote, imo.
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Pikavangelist posted:basically it's because 99.9999% of the people who mention him are doing so while violating this rule its this. you can say bernie was right while not being a dickhead about it. we're all in this together, no need to gloat about who was right and who was wrong. its time to work through our differences and figure out our mistakes.
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Nov 16, 2016 15:29
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bernie sanders was right, my friends
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So, can someone explain to me why free trade is a good thing? I keep hearing politicians harp on and on about it but it seems like something that's too abstract and disconnected to actually have much of an effect on people's lives. Why does everyone have such a boner for free trade?
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Pollyanna posted:So, can someone explain to me why free trade is a good thing? I keep hearing politicians harp on and on about it but it seems like something that's too abstract and disconnected to actually have much of an effect on people's lives. Why does everyone have such a boner for free trade? Money is real good. Less money bad, more money good!!!
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