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his career and that makes me think he is cool
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Nah mate he's a real piece of poo poo and a corporate lobbyist for healthcare firms that opposes single payer
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Nov 11, 2016 13:24
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i hate him
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Nov 12, 2016 20:04
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paul_soccer10 posted:i hate him
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Nov 12, 2016 20:21
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HA I remember 'ole "Hacksaw" Howard Dean! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYX11Dzws0 Hooooooooooooooo!!! 
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Nov 14, 2016 00:14
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2004: Screaming too enthusiastically at a rally destroys frontrunners campaign because it makes him look "unstable" 2016: President-elect Donald J. Trump
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:2004: Screaming too enthusiastically at a rally destroys frontrunners campaign because it makes him look "unstable" we've come so far
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Mr. Lobe posted:Nah mate he's a real piece of poo poo and a corporate lobbyist for healthcare firms that opposes single payer He was not a bad governor, and great at actually coordinating his 50-state strategy in 2008, but yeah on national policy he's pretty much poo poo these days. His campaign was already dead before the scream, though.
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Nov 15, 2016 14:46
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considering the 50 state strategy was a long term play to develop candidates and the party for future elections its been a complete and utter failure and howard dean is loving terrible at everything
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RBC posted:considering the 50 state strategy was a long term play to develop candidates and the party for future elections its been a complete and utter failure and howard dean is loving terrible at everything How much of that can be attributed to a certain candidate trying to clear the field ahead of time so they could skate in essentially unopposed for the POTUS nomination, only to end up getting in one of the most bitter fights in the DNC since 1968.
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Bernie probably wouldn't have even bothered if it weren't for the fact that Hillary was basically unopposed so he could get a lot of free attention, so it wasn't even just futile, it actively backfired.
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iospace posted:How much of that can be attributed to a certain candidate trying to clear the field ahead of time so they could skate in essentially unopposed for the POTUS nomination, only to end up getting in one of the most bitter fights in the DNC since 1968. zero
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RBC posted:considering the 50 state strategy was a long term play to develop candidates and the party for future elections its been a complete and utter failure and howard dean is loving terrible at everything The 50 state strategy was good, and Dean was an effective DNC chair. You can thank Obama actually for kicking Dean off the DNC (because he supported Hillary in '08) and replacing him with the merry-go-round of terrible that was Tim Kaine/Debbie Wasserman Schultz/Donna Brazille.
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The thing is... the hole Democrats are in now is much worse than it was in 2006. They are essentially a minor party now, and a 50-state strategy and some better data and a better core platform and better marketing won't dig them out of it like it could in 2006. Republicans have: -Permanent majorities in most state legislatures thanks to gerrymandering -A permanent majority in the US House thanks to gerrymandering -Most governorships -The Senate, which could be won back but is a body that has always been structurally disadvantageous for progressive democrats. -The Presidency, and soon a supermajority on the Supreme Court I believe Democrats now have the weakest presence in government any major party has ever had since the Great Depression. In order to fix that, it will require more radical thinking than what Howard Dean brings to the table.
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Nov 18, 2016 18:52
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Mental-Rectangle posted:The 50 state strategy was good, and Dean was an effective DNC chair. You can thank Obama actually for kicking Dean off the DNC (because he supported Hillary in '08) and replacing him with the merry-go-round of terrible that was Tim Kaine/Debbie Wasserman Schultz/Donna Brazille. Actually, I think that was the compromise that got Hillary to suspend her campaign. There's nothing to back this up, just call it a hunch.
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:2004: Screaming too enthusiastically at a rally destroys frontrunners campaign because it makes him look "unstable" Actually much like 2016, the Dems likely could have won if they had run a populist candidate rather than John Kerry
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