Mirificus posted:

TheAgent posted:

they actually have the entire turkish government bankrolling them now

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/55627/crytek-receive-500m-investment-turkish-gov/index.html

so yeah, no, crytek isn't hurting for money.

at all

Mr.Tophat posted:

Why did Chris Roberts lose the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks

juggalo baby coffin posted:

so i figured it was time i did some sort of effortpost given that i've been following this shitshow on and off since it started. this is less a post for true FUD-sippers, and more one as a response to all the people who have said 'well yeah its a scam now, but you guys have been calling it a scam for years, even when it was a legit game'.

This is how we knew it was a scam from very early on

So picture this. You know a guy, he's an architect. He's built pretty decent buildings in the past. He tells you that now he's going to build a mile tall tower. 'Ok', you think, 'I wanna see that. It's going to take some clever engineering to pull that off'.

At this point he's promising something that sounds difficult, but still within the bounds of what reality might permit. People are getting close to mile tall buildings, the limiting factors are mainly the cash cost and needing the right site to build it on.

Then the details start to leak out. How he's planning to make this building. 'It's going to be made of bricks and mortar,' he says, 'With a floor plan of 10 feet by 10 feet.'

At this point the jig is up. That's not happening. A mile tall building is possible, but not like that it isn't. But people who don't understand how buildings work at all are still suckered in by it.

That's what happened with star citizen. It seems like the average (non-paid) true believer is weirdly ignorant of how games work. I've seen a ton of posts from shitizens about how 'I've not played a game since ninteen-dickety, but I'm coming back for star citizen and I've bet the farm on it.'. If these people had kept up with games technology at all they would have smelled a scam from a mile away.

Now I'm not a game dev, but I've played a shitload of games, and modded a shitload of games. You come, over time, to see how things work, see where the shortcuts are to make it all work. You get to understand the tradeoff games have to make to deliver their core gameplay at reasonable performance. You also gain familiarity with the strengths of the major engines, as these days there just aren't that many.

But Chris Roberts comes out and says 'No shortcuts! Vast scope! Sim level physics! Hundreds of concurrent players! Fast paced FPS style combat! Top notch graphics! Cryengine!'

Which sounds great, but is OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO WORK. If someone tries to sell you a truck and says it handles like a sports car and gets the mileage of a subcompact, you know it's a loving lie. But because so many people know so little about game development, and have been tricked by a guy who has presented himself as Space Game King Arthur, returned in gaming's time of need, they give him money. Lots of money.

So two things happen when a game has over-promised:

A) the scope of the game is drastically cut back to something plausible and people are disappointed.
B) development staggers along pursuing an impossible dream until it runs out of cash and burns out.

When Star Citizen was relatively new I figured that A would happen. The dumb poo poo would get cut, the shortcuts would be put in to allow the game to work, dumbasses would be disappointed, but we might get a space game out of it. And I do actually love space games. The whole reason I bought E:D was because a friend linked me to star citizen and it gave me a hankering to fly around in a ship. I would like star citizen to be a real game and have all the stuff its promised. That would be great.

But what really killed Star Citizen for me was the fact that they cut off path A to themselves. They started selling expanded scope as pledges and poo poo. Stretch goals are one thing, they can get cut or delayed, but when you've 1:1 said 'Pledge here to get a fucken electronic warfare ship' you've honor bound yourself to implement electronic warfare. Add to that the extremely predatory pricing of all that poo poo and it became clear that this was more than just an over-scoped, over-ambitious project.

It was, and is, a bare-faced scam.

Daztek posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qGyQdQKg6Q

Star Citizen is ... good?

TheAgent posted:

so I guess you gotta hold F now to do anything in your ship, but holding F is also the default "get out of your chair" keybind

lol

better than having free look be ALT and 3rd person be F4 I guess

CrazyTolradi posted:

Whatever happened to Humility, the backer who was literally putting his farm on the line because he kept putting money into SC to feel special?

Kosumo posted:

No, you are wrong, at no stage was Star Citizen cool.

The very start of the project was Chris Roberts pitch video.

Are you saying that you thought what Chris was saying was cool?

It was failed games developer Chris Roberts from the very start of this - and many people here bought into his bullshit.

It is those people who are to blame for this even thought many of them are now the hardest critics. (Derek backed this to the turn of like 5 AAA games .... all while it was just an Chris Roberts brain fart)

For those who say "anyone who back this after XXX" are fooling themselves; if you have ever back this, you are somewhat to blame.

That is the truth that get forgotten around here.

It was Chris "I was failing at gaming so left to try Hollywood, which I got blacklisted from, so I'm now back to make the best game ever, but no publisher will have anything to do with me, after not releasing a product for over a decade" Roberts from the very start.

biglads posted:

I would say they are abandoning ship, but as they only have pictures of ships they can't really.

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/iq_derek/status/942479696687763456

orcane posted:

That's a simplistic view.

Star Citizen, despite the early criticism, was "cool" to people who didn't obsessively follow Clown Robbers' previous ventures. Those who were ready to bet 50 to 150 bucks (the latter on par with "game + lots of extras for fans" tiers of other videogame Kickstarters like Project Eternity at the time) on getting a new Wing Commander, Freelancer or some form of EVE with first person dogfighting, they knew or should have known that with crowd funding you risked losing your money while getting nothing (or not what you paid for).

Phi230 posted:

One thing I noticed in the vid is that:

A. the performance sucks

B. he tries to land his cargo ship and get out by going on a little cargo platform but the game stutters and his positioning stutters and he can't move whilst the cargo platform is moving

it's like garrysmod when you are walking on a moving object

and then he can't even trade the cargo because the game doesn't recognize that there's even a cargo ship landed

no_recall posted:

One last one before the year ends.

Someone call how much the Christmas / ELE / Couttes Interest Repayment / Crytek Lawsuit / Year End - Sale Livestream Extravaganza is going to reap!

All guesses / prizes / donations will be taken in before Thursday.

A bunch of you don't have PM enabled so I still have a bunch of unclaimed keys, lets do this!

Buy a Starship!

CrazyTolradi posted:

Whatever happened to Humility, the backer who was literally putting his farm on the line because he kept putting money into SC to feel special?

SelenicMartian posted:

Due to the fact that I’ve quite literally broken my wrist, my posts from now on will be late and unfinis

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

I don't think that was humility,it was a different (still totally tragic) guy.

BluesShaman posted:

The 'organized resistance' thing...

In this guy's mind, every critic of star citizen is part of an organized campaign of hate.

Would he believe that we're all just getting a chuckle out of this mess?

EightAce posted:

http://massivelyop.com/2017/12/15/massively-ops-best-of-2017-awards-worst-business-model/

haha

CrazyTolradi posted:

Might have been, Humility had some...interesting posts, are those screenshots still around?

trucutru posted:

I am getting mad stacks of Benjamins for all my FUD efforts. I can hook you up with the D-man if you want to join the party.

BluesShaman posted:

hmu bro