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The Real Golden Rule: Treat others how they want to treat others.
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Jan 22, 2017 15:45
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:people aren't problems, yo Nazism is harmful. There's no non-harmful way to put nazism into action. Some opinions, like nazism, are dangerous and harmful on their own and you shouldn't just stand around going "well they haven't actually carried out their horrific ideals yet." Try to think of nazism as essentially conspiracy to commit genocide.
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Jan 22, 2017 19:12
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Well the main difference between nazism and neo-nazism is the neo kind don't care so much about the economic parts of nazism and just jump straight to the white supremacy and kill all the untermenschen parts.
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Jan 22, 2017 19:24
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Just because your economic policies are terrible doesn't mean you don't have them. Ask Republicans.
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Jan 22, 2017 19:28
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AARO posted:You guys are just making up your own rules. Why should anyone listen to you? You have no principles, you just make up your own morality as you go along. Yes, having a personal moral code is all about making up your own rules. And hopefully you consider the words of others and actually think through them. But it's not at all about just copying what someone else wrote down somewhere.
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Jan 22, 2017 21:11
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AARO posted:In the USA in the 1950's a man who openly said he was gay could very easily get punched in the face by any white Christian male onlooker. Even it it wasn't legal to punch this man for his mere act of saying he was gay, I'm sure large parts of 1950's America would have said the assault was moral. Unfortunate thing is that authoritarians and nazis and fascists and their ilk don't give a gently caress about precedent so we can't just set an example for them and expect them to follow it. Nazis aren't people who won't think about using violence if you don't use it first. You can't be afraid to use tactics just because it's bad when bad people use those tactics. The violence meted out on homosexuals for being homosexual was and is bad because it's violence meted out on people for being homosexuals. It's not evidence of a universal violence is always bad rule.
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Jan 22, 2017 22:28
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I'm kinda mad at the bystander that tried to unmask the hitter tbh.
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Jan 23, 2017 23:19
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Lightning Knight posted:Reflexively defending people under attack makes you a good person, which puts him ahead of Actual Nazi Richard Spencer. Ok that's fair. I can forgive a reflex that kicks in before you remember it was a nazi getting hit.
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Jan 23, 2017 23:24
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AARO posted:Is it morally ok to beat my wife if she hates Mongolians? No. But if she progresses to actively advocating for the genocide of Mongolians you should definitely divorce her. Then when it's gone through and you're no longer in a domestic relationship with her you can go ahead and punch her for being a genocide advocate. Hope this helps.
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Jan 25, 2017 07:44
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Wild Horses posted:I just don't trust an assortment of anarchists and communists to draw the line for me. And when police straight up refuse to do this?
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Jan 25, 2017 11:16
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Wild Horses posted:which police, where? Well the problem in America is the rather nazi-sympathetic government in power right now so nazis are not going to get solved by police.
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Jan 25, 2017 12:31
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:and what it comes down to is that i don't believe that a fascist uprising of the kind that occurred in the 1920s and 1930s as capable of recurring, due to societal changes since that time, so i don't see the threat as imminent enough that it needs to be physically opposed, only ideologically At last. Now, if you did believe that a fascist uprising could occur, would you then be okay with violence against nazis now in an attempt to stop it from happening? If not, would you change your mind if you were transported back to pre-nazi Germany and knew for a fact that the nazis would come to power if you did nothing?
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Jan 25, 2017 16:05
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:depends on how likely the uprising was, like if there was some rear end in a top hat on tv trying to convince people to destroy a specific race of people because those people weren't the ubermensch and weren't going to take well to the idea of throwing away their individuality and working collectively for the idea of America Itself then yeah, it might be time to do something, but i don't have the gut feeling that we're all hosed just yet See this is why many of us have always feared that the rise of fascism is very possible in our time. It's also why it's very disheartening to hear liberals blame racism instead of economics for Trump's victory. Yes there was racism. Lots of racism. But the racism was already there. The racists were already for the Republicans. The problem is the people very mild for, mild against, or indifferent to racism. When those people get stressed they stop caring who promises them help and will turn to whichever side is promising relief. You just said that you would be too busy trying to get a job to fight literal OG Nazis in pre-nazi Germany. Well, there are people today who are too busy looking for a job, or a job that will let them work sane hours, or live a decent life to fight the current fascists and literal neo-nazis. If liberals won't deprive nazis of prime recruiting conditions, then antifa definitely need to suppress nazis or they will continue to rise.
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Jan 25, 2017 16:47
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FreeKillB posted:is the quote that set me off, but I noticed that soon after, there was : Republicans already live in fear of all kinds of poo poo that will never happen to them.
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Jan 27, 2017 07:49
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Pseudo-God posted:I really am shocked how you people can't see that justifying violence against people for having an opinion, no matter how reprehensible or genocidal, is the opening of a Pandora's Box. If you say "you are allowed to punch Nazis because they present a grave threat to our way of life", you open the way for anyone to justify violence against others based on how they interpret "grave threat to our way of life". Some examples: People think and do that poo poo anyway. If we were talking about introducing violence into a world free of it then I'd quite possibly agree with you. Unleashing violence into the world would be a horrible thing. But it's already here, and no matter what we do we can't stop others from doing violence. We have laws in place to blanket suppress violence and that's fine if we don't want the state to decide what is okay violence and what is not (although it does, and it seems to think its own violence is perfectly good and everyone else's is bad). But we decide for ourselves what feels right to ourselves, and should not worry about what other people will try to justify with our actions if we deem them righteous.
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Jan 27, 2017 16:21
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