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Please use spoiler text for at least a while. Some repeated thoughts from another thread: Logan is good. You can feel it taking from Deadpool, but to the movie's benefit, in a way that works for Wolverine. Easily the best of his solo films. Wild score, too. I liked it, but it's very prominent. Professor X's whole story was right at the limit of what I was prepared to deal with in a popcorn blockbuster, though partly because the sort of mundane life experiences they were pulling from were things I had to go through with a parent not that long ago. Really hit me. And Patrick Stewart was really impressive, even for him. Funny that they go with the conspiracy theory that the government is purposefully controlling us by putting things in our food and water, which they thematically relate to GMO crops. Everybody in the world of Logan's got that fluoride stare. The final image being Logan having given everything just to give the kids a chance to try to figure out a future, was more affecting than I'm used to from these movies. I don't want to oversell the movie, but it definitely knew how to push my particular buttons. Interesting that it's not necessarily the case that Days of Future Past and all that happened. I saw the whole thing with how the comic books weren't what really happened as being a nod to the differences between the relatively subdued world of Logan and the sort of insanity in things like Apocalypse. That sort of intra-franchise commentary is one of the things I see them borrowing from Deadpool, just without the explicit fourth-wall breaking. Are we supposed to assume they only gave the kid adamantium claws, not the full body? Because it would be pretty hosed to lock her bones into the size they are as a child. Just doing the claws would fit with it being surgical, not that water tank thing we saw in X2.
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Mar 3, 2017 22:53
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:About the whole "all the mutants are gone thing: Is the GMO anti-mutant vaccine thing permanent? If people stop eating the corn, will they start producing mutants again? Also is the lack of mutants specific to the US or is it worldwide? They describe it as gene therapy, which I think could be heritable or not, depending on the specifics. The implication is that it's worldwide.
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Mar 3, 2017 23:05
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Kin posted:It's just the same illogical goof for the sake of "graphic head shot" that was in Wolverine origins. That would completely undercut the entire arc of the movie being that all Logan can do now is give someone else a chance for a future. You're talking about something that would require them to rebuild the movie from the ground up for it to make sense as the ending.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:14
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SimonCat posted:I was really put off by the Deadpool trailer though. I haven't seen Deadpool, but if his character is like that the entire time I don't think I missed anything. He's not. That ad was reminiscent of the ads for the first film that were original bits and not just part of the movie: unrepresentative and awful. The actual movie is good.
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Mar 6, 2017 17:15
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I'm not going to go through this whole list, but here's a few of the particularly misguided ones:Bust Rodd posted:~Where did all of Xavier's money go? How does a rusty water tower protect him from psychic interference? He's a senile old man on the run from the government. Either of these could easily result in his money being lost. What would an answer to how the tower works even look like? How do his telepathic powers work in the first place? Ribcages have gaps in them. It went between the ribs. We know the adamantium doesn't lock Wolverine's ribcage into a rigid mass because we can see him breathe. They're all bilingual, so she's quoting the movie in the language she heard it in, which is the sort of thing bilingual people do. RBA Starblade posted:e: Uh do quotes not get hidden inside spoiler tags now? I had to edit the quote blocks out to hide it. The spoiler tags have to be inside the quote tags, not the other way around.
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Mar 7, 2017 18:20
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Yeah, it's from Shane, the movie they watch in the hotel room. Xavier views himself as the headmaster of a school for special-needs children. Those sorts of people don't set up hidden caches of money. Even if Xavier saw himself as a black-ops agent, he can telepathically control anyone on the planet. Someone who can do that doesn't need to set up hidden caches of money. Unfortunately, like many people, he did not plan well for what happens when his mind goes. Which movie specifies that the helmets are made of a special metal?
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Mar 7, 2017 18:53
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:"Xavier should have had secret cash stashes" is treating the movie like a puzzle to be solved, and not as a story. One of the great things about these sorts of lists is that, not only are they a broken way of approaching a story, but they generally don't even work on their own terms. Yeah, the guy who telepathically controls the president of the United States in multiple movies definitely would have planned for going on the lam like he's Jason Bourne. You've really out-thought the movie on this one.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:17
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Mr. Flunchy posted:It's also dumb because there's nothing to say he didn't have secret cash stashes, but they must have spent it all because they're broke. Or that he forgot where they were because he's senile, or a hundred other reasons. It's like a movie has failed if it hasn't laboriously answered every possible question you could have had about the circumstances depicted within.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:24
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Bust Rodd posted:The questions i'm raising, like it or not, are the kinds of nitpicky things that get brought up when you discuss marvel/dc comics Logan is a movie.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:21
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Hollismason posted:Hahaha I just realized because I was watching Terminator 2 that Logan is set in 2029 which is the same year that the Terminator get's sent back from. That can't be just a weird coincidence. Considering the cues X-24 takes from Terminator, does seem like a reference.
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Mar 8, 2017 05:21
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:They already made R-rated Constantine. And Watchmen. And, though no theatrical release, the extended cut of Batman v Superman past year.
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Mar 8, 2017 20:04
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It does, and many of my favorite movies like The Gambler, Enemy and Halloween do it too. Are we talking about the Mark Wahlberg The Gambler as one of your favorite movies? I'd completely dismissed it.
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Mar 9, 2017 20:53
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Chairman Capone posted:In regards to the Reavers: I've never read any of the comics with them, but am I mistaken or are they supposed to have prosthetic limbs because they all had run-ins with Wolverine in the past? For some reason, I had that impression going into the movie. As hokey as it would have been, I kind of liked that mental explanation, helped add to the theme of Wolverine's violent past being inescapable. I don't think there's any reason to believe it was Wolverine, just violent mutants. One of them loses an arm to that ice kid during the fight at the end, and the implication is that the lead merc got his arm sliced off by Laura.
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Mar 10, 2017 18:09
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MisterBibs posted:Why rely on inference Artistry.
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Mar 10, 2017 18:59
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Not to apply real-world logic, but completely sealing your bones in would kill anyone, even assuming you survived the procedure, whether or not the substance was toxic.Rap Record Hoarder posted:One thing I didn't get is the insinuation that Logan can't read? I guess the movie version was never portrayed as a guy with a good amount of common sense intellect or a world-trotting polyglot, but it was still a little weird. He's having trouble reading because his eyesight is going. He's not illiterate.
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Mar 11, 2017 04:12
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Gyges posted:They did think of that, and supposedly his skeleton is just "laced' with adamantium and not coated. Of course that means very different things to different writers. Huh, I'd assumed he was fine because his magic healing took care of the problems it would cause normal people. That said, I think X1 shows him as just having metal bones, though I haven't seen it in a while.
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Mar 11, 2017 04:23
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Jack's Flow posted:I saw this movie two days ago and it was very good and enjoyable. I read the opinion somewhere else that they should have cut all of the OKC casino stuff and I completely disagree with that. Anyone who would want to cut the Xavier casino paralysis scene is a grade-A moron.
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Mar 11, 2017 19:17
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coyo7e posted:This is kinda funny http://www.cbr.com/caliban-logan-x-men-apocalypse/?utm_source=CBR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-FB-P&view=lista Linked article from that, since this topic was discussed in this thread: quote:Speaking with The Hollywood Reporter, “Logan” co-writer Michael Green explained that early drafts of the screenplay featured flashback scenes that would have revealed exactly what happened at the X-Mansion. However, the film’s creative team made the conscious decision to drop them.
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Mar 12, 2017 21:30
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Since the co-writer did ask us to speculate, it never occurred to me that the Westchester Incident would be anything but the first major instance of what happened in the casino, except there's no one who can do anything about it or who knows what to do, so it goes on long enough for a bunch of people to actually died from suffocation. No big action scene, just Xavier slowly killing his school and the surrounding area. Which would make a flashback pointless, since we already know what it would look like: the casino scene, just with different people in a different location.
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Mar 12, 2017 22:07
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NmareBfly posted:Personally I don't like Sabertooth being in this movie because it makes it a whole lot less self-contained. And, man, if you were to make the movie less self-contained, why would you start by referencing X-Men Origins: Wolverine?
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Mar 13, 2017 19:54
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MrJacobs posted:It was because of the additives in the food and such prevents mutations from occurring and probably fucks with mutants who eat it. Logan's healing ability is slowed, so he had adamantium poisoning and Xavier's power is quite limited when in his right mind. There's no indication Caliban was having any problems while the two people who were 90+ were.
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Mar 21, 2017 07:06
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MrJacobs posted:I'm not sure if he's supposed to be that susceptible to sunlight since I don't think the Apocalypse version of him was an albino. But there is no way to know for sure since it was never spelled out that the food did it anyway, it just made sense as to why Xavier and Logan both had similar issues since Logan wouldn't really get old within Xavier's lifetime unless something was going on. His susceptibility to sunlight is pretty clearly a side-effect of his mutation. It's way more extreme a reaction than you'd get from him just being an albino. His power seems to be working fine. As the movie explicitly states, Wolverine is being poisoned by the adamantium, which is relatively recent. That's why he's getting old at the same time as Xavier.
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Mar 21, 2017 07:24
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Historical and semi-historical figures, like Jesus, who are figures of common and shared cultural significance in our myths. I agree with you in general, though I'd argue for The Punisher as being absorbed as part of folk mythology in the police and military. But definitely not superheroes as a whole and definitely not Wolverine. Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 22:51
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RBA Starblade posted:What about Thor Mythological Thor has some currency in white supremacist circles, the comic book character not at all, as far as I know. UmOk posted:So are we talking about Wolverine being a myth in the for real world? Or within the world of the 2017 movie Logan? We're talking about the former because it informs our reading of the latter. A movie about The Punisher interacting with in-universe cops and soldiers wearing Punisher gear would be a whole other sort of thing than Logan because it would be impossible to separate from the real world cops and soldiers who actually model themselves, or at least their image, after the character. Logan simply uses the well-established setup of the young gunfighter meeting the old legend and being disappointed. The comic books about Wolverine are a replacement for some character having a penny dreadful about Buffalo Bill or whoever. And it's a fine hook for a story. But superheroes as the modern equivalent of mythic heroes doesn't make a ton of sense outside of a few specific examples that have effectively been taken over by the actual participants in some culture.
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Mar 29, 2017 00:53
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wyoming posted:Superheroes are most definitely myths, like I can't imagine what pedantic definition of myth you're using that doesn't concern a larger than life story of good vs. evil. I'm not trying to get into a debate about the meaning of the word. The point is that there's a big difference between how real kids relate to Wolverine comics and how the kids in the movie Logan related to Wolverine comics.
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Mar 29, 2017 03:58
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Alan_Shore posted:Wow, hold on a second. He probably is, and I definitely will right now since you ask.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:19
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AvesPKS posted:Again, I'm just saying someone must've already thought of just looking at their powers and making 50 of each to counter them, instead of their ultimate project which took decades to finish. And like half of them don't even make sense anyway. Colossus' guy was just like stronger and tougher. You can't exactly reverse every power, nor do you need to. Just overkill in my opinion. The point of using Mystique's DNA is that being able to change form is their power. That's why they can do fire form, ice form, whatever, but can't travel through time or teleport. It's not fifty built-in abilities, it's one ability being used in different ways.
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Apr 22, 2017 17:04
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I'm certainly not going to claim that the Sentinels were some sort of tactically optimal mutant-fighting solution. But they movie was clear that they didn't build robots with a bunch of different powers that can be activated, but instead a single shape-shifting power derived from a shape-shifting mutant.
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Apr 24, 2017 21:49
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Technically, they were driven by Jennifer Lawrence's high-wattage star power.
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Apr 24, 2017 22:03
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Samovar posted:I believe you meant to say, 'I found the violence to be bland' - making objective statements on subjective subjects is rather poor form for general critique. I believe you mean to say "Personally, for me, I find objective statements on subjective subjects to be in poor form for general critique, imho." Not everybody needs or wants constant reminders that obvious statements of opinion are statements of opinion.
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Jun 3, 2017 16:22
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Also, kids don't look different from their parents or siblings because of mutations or genetic drift. The negative effects would be, like, reduced adaptability over the course of many, many generations. Not that the whole X-Men mutations thing makes any sense on a practical level at all. More importantly, you don't want a bunch of identical kids of whatever because one of the approaches of the movie is to show a very familiarly hosed-up world, and introducing a random problem with odd-looking kids would distract from that.
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Jun 11, 2017 18:57
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friendo posted:I had a lot of fun watching this movie. The nascar paced plot line, the relatable characters with their funny accents and the overall hillbilly setting. And I especially liked the happy ending with the subtle wink at a part two. Yeah, just got out and really enjoyed it. Very light, but always amusing. The stacked cast definitely helped.
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Tiriganiaq posted:Did they ever explain how prof came back after x3 for dofp? Yeah, at the end of X3 he wakes up in some coma guy's body.
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Aug 22, 2017 19:32
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