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Sir Kodiak posted:Are we supposed to assume they only gave the kid adamantium claws, not the full body? Because it would be pretty hosed to lock her bones into the size they are as a child. Just doing the claws would fit with it being surgical, not that water tank thing we saw in X2. In the funny books X-23 only had adamantium on her claws, not her entire skeleton. So probably safe to assume that she won't suffer from the poisoning as heavily as Logan. Glad to hear all the great reviews for this flick. Probably catch a matinee next week to avoid the crowds. Edit: About the whole "all the mutants are gone thing: Is the GMO anti-mutant vaccine thing permanent? If people stop eating the corn, will they start producing mutants again? Also is the lack of mutants specific to the US or is it worldwide? Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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Bust Rodd posted:We already have Magneto's helmet and Juggernaught's helmet in universe to tell us "You need special metal to block psychic interference" and the water tower that you can literally see through the rusty holes of does not seem to be on par with that, so the answer to the question could have been "It was nice of Magneto to help you hide like this" or something. I'm glad the movie picks up pretty much right when you see their hideout because that whole sequence just had me scratching my head until the bad guys show up. I always thought that the trick of telepathy-blocking helmets in X-stories was the shape and/or special plating, not the material used to make it (this of course varies depending on canon, timeline, and writer but I digress). This also goes for Cerebro; a main plot point in X2 is that swapping the panel configuration around directly affects the amplification of psychic abilities. In Logan, the big dome they have Xavier housed in is missing chunks. A lot of squarish, panel shaped, almost strategically placed chunks. Is it because they're living in the middle of the desert in lovely future world and that's the best approximation they could find, or is it because Logan knew enough to try and imitate the Cerebro design in a way that puts a damper on Xavier's abilities when he has a seizure freakout? I like the idea of the latter, but it could very well be the former. It could be both! That's part of the magic of good storytelling. You shouldn't (and don't) need every single detail spoonfed to you.
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coyo7e posted:Ahh that makes sense, especially in terms of how long he survived just fine, and then how much time passed between the grafting and this movie (it's 2024 iirc? so he's had it in his system for 30 years and he was like 150 years old or so at that point?) The x-movie timeline is iffy, but I think he got the adamantium grafted to his skeleton in the late 70s/early 80s. Let's call it 1980. Meaning that in 2029 (when Logan takes place) he's had it for almost 50 years, plus 15 or so of those years were heavy wear and tear as a result of various X-adventures. Given that his healing factor kept him young and healthy for most of a century before the adamantium it's pretty safe to say that the metal is what's killing him. One thing I didn't get is the insinuation that Logan can't read? I guess the movie version was never portrayed as a guy with a good amount of common sense intellect or a world-trotting polyglot, but it was still a little weird.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Not to apply real-world logic, but completely sealing your bones in would kill anyone, even assuming you survived the procedure, whether or not the substance was toxic.  of course, the reading glasses.
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MrJacobs posted:I really liked this movie but something really, really bothered me: X-24 should have been Sabretooth since he is just a psychopathic killing machine like X-24 but is Logan's official family and a representation of what he was trying to leave behind. He has the same powers, skills, and rage that plagues Logan and now Laura, while functionally being the same character as X-24. Having the final battle be between him and Sabertooth would have been a much better end to the arc of both characters since their origin in X-Men Origins. Just have Sabertooth fall in line with the bad guys and they give him drugs to keep him from losing his powers like Logan and Xavier (since apparently the additives to processed food and water caused them to have diminished powers) and he'll follow Dr.Rice while still going on a rampage on the GMO farmers against orders. It would have worked pretty much exactly the same way, but with a better end for both characters I don't get the idea that shoehorning Sabretooth in here would've somehow made for a better or more compelling movie. As people have said repeatedly, this film is about Logan grappling with how the world perceives him (hero or outcast or weapon or mythological figure), his own self-hatred, and the corrosive nature of the lifestyle that he chose/was chosen for him. Sabretooth is cool and I wouldn't mind seeing Liev Schriber take another crack at it, but Sabretooth as a concept is a dark parallel of Logan, the version of him that embraces all his worst aspects, but he's still a separate entity, something for Logan to fight against without having to interrogate his own choices or beliefs. Like Timeless Appeal said, LOGAN is about how much he hates himself and wants to leave the worst parts of himself behind so that they can't do any more harm. He's then motivated to shepherd his literal child to safety so that she can have a chance at avoiding becoming the same person while on the run from a soulless, mindless, mass production model version of himself that exists only to kill.. I don't think you can hone the narrative in any more than that, and adding another mutant to the mix would've just diluted the story.
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Electromax posted:Sounds like they actually considered it: See, I love the idea of a drifter Sabretooth as unlikely ally but that complicates (and IMO dilutes) the rest of the movie. Juxtaposing him and Logan as the last of the old guard of mutants who have to shuffle off the stage in order for the kids to have a chance at a different, and hopefully better, future would be wonderful to explore. It would be easy enough to introduce him, probably hanging around the casino in OKC, but then his presence interferes with the more compelling paternal dynamics between Xavier/Logan and Logan/Laura. Also where do you get rid of him? If he gets killed off by X-24 that would make for a super poetic moment tying the narrative of all 3 Wolverine movies together, as the soulless embodiment of Logan's rage does him in, proving correct Sabretooth's assertion that Logan was only ever torturing himself by pretending to be better and would only ever surpass Sabretooth by giving in to his bestial, amoral fury. If it's at the farmhouse then it undermines the appearance of X-24 and Xavier's death. If it's when they arrive at Eden or during the final fight then it weakens the dynamic of Logan and Laura vs X-24 and Transigen. I think they could pull it off, but I don't think it would be worth the loss of the emotional points the film already has. Either way it's all speculation and fan fiction at this point, but I can see the appeal from that angle.
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Honest Thief posted:When dealing with Pierce, sending off his colleague with an unconscious military guy, he shows an uncharacteristic restraint for someone who up until that point doesn't seem to have that high of a threshold. Even with his job as a limo driver he keeps coming back wounded regularly enough for Caliban to notice him slowing down. That's why I'm calling it contrived, because the movie doesn't really show Logan holding back that much. During the robbery sequence he gives the cholos at least 3 distinct chances to stop and leave him alone, despite catching a beating and a bullet for his trouble. It's not until they're about to give him the combination curbstomp/shotgun lobotomy that he berserks out. Logan holds back with Pierce because he knows that Pierce is connected to a multinational corporation who have a cadre of armed security guards with metal body parts who have already killed one person (Gabriella) will come looking for Pierce if Logan tries to disappear him and more than likely cause more problems. He was attempting to talk his way out of situation before Laura pulled a fastball special on Pierce with a length of pipe. In the cornfields he scares off the thugs with minimal violence, and there's no way he could know that they would come back with reinforcements. Even in the ending, he tries to tell the kids that they can't stay in one spot for too long, because he knows what's coming and he wants to avoid a fight. I don't know how much more explicit they could've made the theme that Logan would rather run away from conflict (inward or outward) rather than face it, which often makes the situation worse and means that he has to do even more violence.
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Brother Entropy posted:or walking back laura's stunted development After a second viewing, I don't know if I agree that they arbitrarily reversed her development. Laura acts feral for the first 2/3rds of the movie, but there's nothing that signifies that she doesn't understand the people around her. She reacts the way you'd expected a brutalized child to react to any threats or intrusions on their space; ferocious, overwhelming violence in order to prevent further harm. There's no indication that she can't speak, she just chooses not to. It's only after Xavier dies (which removes the one person who she marginally trusts and with whom she can communicate silently) and Logan is obviously hobbled (mentally by the death of his mentor and physically from the wounds taken in their escape from the farm) that she speaks out of necessity. It's not because she magically developed language abilities; it's because she's smart enough to realize that without some sort of human connection that Logan will not find the will to carry on, either with the mission at hand or with life in general (and Charles told her not to let him kill himself). All of that to say that her speaking didn't seem incongruent with the character's development to me, and we got a hilarious scene out of it as a bonus.
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