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Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

by FactsAreUseless


gandlethorpe posted:

Some bonus RuUnion footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v83exrfdnao

Lending the other queens her porn seems like a pretty congenial thing

Sasha and Eureka's reactions were the best. So is janky soccer porn. I think I've seen the video Valentina is talking about.

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Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

"Forget it Jake, it's Sooze-Town" Is that me? Am I the Suddenly Sooze-Town of people??


Easy Salmon Recipe posted:

Sasha and Eureka's reactions were the best. So is janky soccer porn. I think I've seen the video Valentina is talking about.

Oh my god I think I have too.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!

Valentina is a genuine sociopath. Holy gently caress.

I've known a sociopath. The change of the expression on their face when they know they've been found out, it's terrifying. That moment when she was called out, it was like watching loving Patrick Bateman.

Tacopocalypse
Jul 1, 2004

"A brain saved is a brain earned."


Valentina's the drag Frank Underwood. She's plotting to lie, manipulate, and murder her way to becoming the new RuPaul. Winning Miss Congeniality Fan Favorite is just her first step.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

"Forget it Jake, it's Sooze-Town" Is that me? Am I the Suddenly Sooze-Town of people??


Feeling pretty vindicated about clocking her as a phony from the get go

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.





I think sociopath is a bit far, but Valentina was clearly there to play the game and not make friends. Cold and calculating, sure, but I doubt she's a legit psycho.

Either way I live for her more than I ever did before. I always clocked her as putting on a persona 24/7 for the show, not unlike Willam, and the reunion confirming that for me was lovely.

I doubt she got eliminated on purpose like Willam's DQ, but it wouldn't surprise me if she did. That telenovela ending in her elim episode and telenovela realness in the reunion certainly got her what she wanted.

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008



Yeah, she's not actively a bitch to anyone and wouldn't sabotage anyone to get her way. It's more like she's completely focused on herself and only superficially shows concern for others.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.





I think it's telling that she gets along so well with Trinity and Eureka. As pageant girls they would respect that 'here to win, not make friends' mentality from her.

She's a lot like Tyra in that sense of being in it for her, except she puts effort into her drag persona having a nice, sweet personality rather than Tyra just not giving a gently caress.

Her smiling through all the drama at the reunion was much of the same she did on the show. Just sticking to her character and not giving in to the messiness. Eyes on the prize at all times.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

I'm a very strong saiyan. Very strong. Probably the strongest ever.


Tacopocalypse posted:

Valentina's the drag Frank Underwood. She's plotting to lie, manipulate, and murder her way to becoming the new RuPaul. Winning Miss Congeniality Fan Favorite is just her first step.

All I ever hhhwanted was Miss Congeniality, now I'm RuPaul.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO



I support the diagnosis of sociopath. Seeing the cruelty of her fans but rather than address it directly, choosing to wall it off from her mind lest it disrupt her new existence as Selena with a penis was telling.

DominoDancing
Apr 26, 2008

Each morning after Sunblest
Feel the benefit
Mental arithmetic


shadow puppet of a posted:

I support the diagnosis of sociopath. Seeing the cruelty of her fans but rather than address it directly, choosing to wall it off from her mind lest it disrupt her new existence as Selena with a penis was telling.

This is a nice gesture though:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVflh6yAm1q/

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.





She has addressed it publicly, but very rarely, and very late in the game. Usually on someone else's live.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO




So like Marching Season in Northern Ireland but with emoji?

Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

by FactsAreUseless



Her smile always seemed weird to me. Up close, it's really clear that the problem is they never reach her eyes.

Capsaicin
Nov 17, 2004

broof roof roof

Nihonniboku posted:

Valentina is a genuine sociopath. Holy gently caress.

I've known a sociopath. The change of the expression on their face when they know they've been found out, it's terrifying. That moment when she was called out, it was like watching loving Patrick Bateman.

This is a really weird comparison but it reminds me of when you figure out the real murdered in a Phoenix Wright game

blizzardvizard
Sep 12, 2012

Shhh... don't wake up the sleeping lion

my hot take is that fans of this show can be really loving weird about certain queens and crucifying them for this bad but not holy poo poo bad thing they did is just as bad as hardcore stanning or w/e you call it

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.





blizzardvizard posted:

my hot take is that fans of this show can be really loving weird about certain queens and crucifying them for this bad but not holy poo poo bad thing they did is just as bad as hardcore stanning or w/e you call it

Yes

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

Am I just legit old and out of touch with how social media works? I feel like this is just intentionally clogging up everyone else's feed with roses instead of snakes. She might have addressed the situation on the reunion and through this, but at no point has she told her fans to actually stop harassing the other queens.

Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

by FactsAreUseless


Capsaicin posted:

This is a really weird comparison but it reminds me of when you figure out the real murdered in a Phoenix Wright game

Valentina is Dahlia Hawthorne! It all makes sense!

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.





While we wait for the finale to air, I have some behind the scenes t about the filming of the finale. Nothing about the lip sync songs, who lip syncs who, who the top 2 is etc. Just kind of like downtime stuff about setting up takes, and which queens got the most applause during their entrances, because they usually level out the crowd reactions in the final product and I think it's interesting knowing who gets the best pops.

I'm going to put it in spoiler text anyway, because I don't know if any of these tidbits will make it to air, and because I'm sure some people still might not want to know until the episode airs. Just in case.

All of this is from the RuPaul's Drag Race Recap podcast, one of the hosts has been going to the live filming every year since season six and gets dat t.

Applause for the queens: Usually, the crowd applauds when the queens walk out to the end of the runway, then when they turn around to walk back it dies down b/c the walks go pretty long. Then they'll turn around and like do a wink or w/e and walk off, and people will applaud again. Pretty much all of the queens got a pretty good, reaction from the crowd. Jaymes Mansfield, Kimora Blac etc. Cucu and Charlie got maybe a bit higher. Eureka O'Hara got a great reaction, standing ovation that continued on for a while as she walked back. Aja got another nice reaction from the crowd, and Farrah got a nice one as well.

Then Valentina walks out. The way he described it, it was like the theatre was shaking people were clapping and cheering so loud. And it stayed that way for her entire walk down the runway, back again and out after her little pose. Best reaction a queen has gotten, they went crazy. Nina comes out, she gets a great one like Eureka's. Alexis Michelle comes out. Theatre goes quiet. Alexis is getting the equivalent of a drag queen golf clap, worse than what Jaymes and Kimora got at any rate. It was silent as she walked back.The top four all get really amazing reactions from the crowd, but nothing on the level of Valentina.

After that all the queens come back out and they set up for the next shot, and RuPaul comes out and does her thing and ofc gets the adoration RuPaul deserves. There's quite a bit of downtime after this b/c production is setting up a shot or redoing a shot or whatever, so all the queens are just standing around waiting. While this is happening the crowd starts going wild for Valentina again and the whole theatre starts chanting her name. She blows them kisses and stuff but it's enough that even she is trying to get them to stop. It went on long enough I guess that some people (weakly) started trying to chant for the top 4 queens as well, but the Valentina love was intense.

Awkward.


Misc. T: Between takes whenever Ru's hair and makeup needed to get touched up, Delta Work and Raven were there in boy mode and the crowd would start cheering for them, as well.

esperterra fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2017 around 07:58

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

caligulamprey posted:

Am I just legit old and out of touch with how social media works? I feel like this is just intentionally clogging up everyone else's feed with roses instead of snakes. She might have addressed the situation on the reunion and through this, but at no point has she told her fans to actually stop harassing the other queens.

I don't speak emoji, either. I've figured out what eggplant means, but the early overuse of smiling poo just turned me off of the whole thing.

I'm on the fence with it. It is a nice gesture, ish, but it's even kind of gives her fans even more license to go hog wild with it. Instead of obnoxious snake spam, it invites floods of roses that make everything else unreadable.

Aphra Bane
Oct 3, 2013






I'm starting to feel bad for Alexis Michelle

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.





Aphra Bane posted:



I'm starting to feel bad for Alexis Michelle

I know, right? Poor girl just wants to be on Broadway.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO



I take comfort in knowing she berated the other contestants for not warning her that would happen.

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.


Grimey Drawer

shadow puppet of a posted:

I take comfort in knowing she berated the other contestants for not warning her that would happen.

In their defense, after the first time she berated them for not telling her how bad she looked, nobody told her how bad her berating them would look on TV. So really the next ten times she did it, it was really their fault for not warning her.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)


geez, poor dear.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.





Trig Discipline posted:

In their defense, after the first time she berated them for not telling her how bad she looked, nobody told her how bad her berating them would look on TV. So really the next ten times she did it, it was really their fault for not warning her.

That's like some kinda gayception.

resting mitch face
Apr 9, 2005

5) I hear you.

Farrah being asked to recreate her reaction to Eureka leaving

Ahahahahah Aja shut down Miss Congeniality & had everyone chanting Fan Favorite hahahahaha... I'm glad they had something to say about that, cause it has been Fan Fave for years now.

Peppermint's tiddies making me question my preferences. dang, there was some good tiddies this season.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

caligulamprey posted:

Am I just legit old and out of touch with how social media works?



Goddamn, I expect Valentina to come out onstage during her next performance as the mom from Santa Sangre. And I guarantee you Valentina has seen Santa Sangre and loves it.

...

caligulamprey fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2017 around 20:14

Deathlove
Feb 20, 2003

It's going to happen this year; it's what we're going to do. We're going to win the NL Central.

Pillbug

Milk being into PUBG is an interesting, but welcome twist.

ALFbrot
Apr 17, 2002


I love how surprised everybody is that Valentina is super fake and self-centered. Seeing people vote her for Miss Congeniality was very confusing to me.

Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

by FactsAreUseless


caligulamprey posted:




Goddamn, I expect Valentina to come out onstage during her next performance as the mom from Santa Sangre. And I guarantee you Valentina has seen Santa Sangre and loves it.

...



This might be me letting my Debate and Discussion self shine through, but does anyone else kinda see the rose thing as a low-key threat? Like she's saying "Look at all the sweet little roses! (That could be insults and trolling if I wanted them to be. Don't make me want them to be.)"

Echo Video
Jan 17, 2004



Easy Salmon Recipe posted:

This might be me letting my Debate and Discussion self shine through, but does anyone else kinda see the rose thing as a low-key threat? Like she's saying "Look at all the sweet little roses! (That could be insults and trolling if I wanted them to be. Don't make me want them to be.)"

Agreed, it's creepy as hell

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

Easy Salmon Recipe posted:

This might be me letting my Debate and Discussion self shine through, but does anyone else kinda see the rose thing as a low-key threat?
She's weilding her fanbase like a weapon. She could tell her fans to stop and honestly they probably wouldn't, but the fact that she won't say stop is pretty loving telling.

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012



caligulamprey posted:

She's weilding her fanbase like a weapon. She could tell her fans to stop and honestly they probably wouldn't, but the fact that she won't say stop is pretty loving telling.

didn't she do an instagram video or something saying "hey stop being assholes to the other queens" or am i imagining that

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

There are no such things as miracles.





alf_pogs posted:

didn't she do an instagram video or something saying "hey stop being assholes to the other queens" or am i imagining that

She's done a couple instagram videos telling her fans to stop, but rarely and at least one of them was on Trinity's insta and not her own.

Yesterday(?) she said hey let's spread love to my sisters instead, send them roses! And since Val fans are hella extra they've been spamming the social media of Ru Girls. Hell, even Penny Tration got a shitton of roses.



esperterra fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2017 around 23:14

Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

by FactsAreUseless


alf_pogs posted:

didn't she do an instagram video or something saying "hey stop being assholes to the other queens" or am i imagining that

That's what I was referring to. She claimed she wants her fans to spam all the other queens on her season with roses to show love, but to me (and apparently others here, thanks for making me feel less crazy), it feels like she's showing the kind of control she has over a large group of fans. That's an unsettling gesture.

Plus, the crazy-eyes don't make it seem like any less of a threat.

Tacopocalypse
Jul 1, 2004

"A brain saved is a brain earned."




Life imitates art.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)


Valentina went from reality tv bitchy to actually kinda a giant rear end in a top hat quick.

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Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

"Forget it Jake, it's Sooze-Town" Is that me? Am I the Suddenly Sooze-Town of people??


Tired Moritz posted:

Valentina went from reality tv bitchy to actually kinda a giant rear end in a top hat quick.

to no one's surprise

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