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Night10194 posted:I suspect he burn-stomped a body-double and the cunning air marshal has escaped the country in a trenchcoat and fake mustache at this point. Turns out he's Barracuda and was playing both sides.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Turns out he's Barracuda and was playing both sides. Ah yes, my younger and less-handsome cousin. He always did get into some shady poo poo.
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I wish these had been timestamped. I imagin it would have been something like...1H, 50M, 43M, 31M, 10M.
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Bacarruda posted:Ah yes, my younger and less-handsome cousin. We happen to have a file photo of him on hand 
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I'm really curious as to which outfit the dictator is talking about. Bulgarians maybe? Or propably an chinese backed PMC venture I guess. So how many Tornado's do we have, 1 or 2?
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Stago Lego posted:So how many Tornado's do we have, 1 or 2? Right now we have 2. If voting goes as it is, we will have 4.
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Dreamsicle posted:Right now we have 2. If voting goes as it is, we will have 4. Allright! 4 is definitly beter than 2!
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Apr 30, 2017 21:57
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Voting K&B
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Quinntan posted:We happen to have a file photo of him on hand Look at how disreputable he is. A skinny mustache is always a sign of villainy.
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Haven't gotten an opportunity to watch the video the whole way through, but I'd like to second the motion on us SK60B drivers getting first dibs on airframe upgrades (and, presumably, selling the SK60Bs and painting our new rides in the Dragon Slayers style). We've gotten very lucky so far, but from the sounds of things it's starting to get very dicey. I'd rather not have all of us get shot down at a stroke because we thought we could stretch our luck just one more mission. e: Also voting K+P because it's a no-brainer.
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Apr 30, 2017 22:03
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BFLM The F-15's real world air-to-air record of 104 kills to 0 losses overshadows the other options. Doesn't matter that the F-111 is mediocre and the F-5s are garbage planes that will get eaten alive.
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Dong Quixote posted:The F-15's real world air-to-air record of 104 kills to 0 losses overshadows the other options. This is an incredibly bad metric upon which to be picking planes 
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Yvonmukluk posted:
No problem dude, you can handle it. http://www.checksix-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=279&t=190143
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This is why I love CMANO above all the other high-level grognard games. You wouldn't think a game like this could be "cinematic," but this is! (My favorite scenarios are stuff like Deter, Detect, Defend, which practically demands Shall Defend as background music). Also voting K&P, because Eagles need to act in pairs, y'know! If there were two, I'd be tempted, but they aren't.
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Well, the last Air Admiral was apparently smart enough to tactfully not report the...downsides of his operation, but apparently not smart enough to use the initial honeymoon period to start running for the Free State's border (I'd say coming to us, but let's be honest, the Free State was closer and beggars can't be choosers). Assuming he didn't do the whole 'body double' thing people suggested, in which case he might still be our problem. Speaking of the Free State, I'm sure they're having a little party right now. I think we're comfortably in striking distance of each other, now, at least in the East. Also, they now have a Lithium mine. That's good for them. If only some of those airbases were closer, then we could try and Entebbe some motherfuckin' airbases. Then again, people seem to forget that Entebbe was a raid and not an occupation. So we could potentially tweak the idea for a Pebble-island type raid. I give you...Operation Nazarius, (for application on either the Free State or regime forces, tweak to taste) Step 1: We send out false info representing alleged disgruntled pilots for Hired Goons, who are fed up with the poor pay from Count Hoff and want to 'start making real money'. We offer to defect and bring over valuable information regarding the Count's forces and our operations. Step 2: Assuming that they swallow the lie (if it's with the Free State & Jack hasn't jumped ship with the Kfirs in tow, he could help with this if it's after this point, they will obviously never buy this - Dictator might, though), we suggest we use a planned relief op (that we invent for the purposes - perhaps with the Count's help) with our 'man on the inside' and his confederates will hijack and divert to a 'friendly' airbase. In reality, it will not contain relief supplies, but a well-prepared Angolan assault force.). Ideally we find a cheapo cargo plane we wouldn't mind losing (a C-130 would be ideal, but obviously we only have the one). We gather all potential information we can about the target airfield (again, if Jack is in place he can do that for us if we were hitting the Free State). Step 3: The fake relief op ('Little Vittles'). In this case our fake defector (callsign Campbeltown) will be flying to our new airbase with a CAP (think like Operation Mercy from First Impressions). We propose our 'benefactors' send up a diversionary attack to draw off the CAP for Campbeltown to land at the target. Step 4: Campbeltown disgorges its passengers. The goal is not to capture the airfield, but to destroy as many airframes/SAMs on the ground. Once all SAMs are neutralised and all planes are captured, we replane and head back for our lines. Step 4b: If Campbeltown is rendered unable to take off by ground fire, crew will take C4 and place it on the fuel tanks, taxi the plane either to the fuel depot/ammo dump or wherever is likely to do the most damage, and detonate, to ensure no Hayard-Gunes personnel are taken alive to counter our operations. Needless to say, this will need to be a volunteer-only operation. Needless to say, I think we can only ever do this kind of op ONCE. Ever. Not only am I fairly certain it might in fact violate the Geneva convention, it's insanely risky. And nobody else would ever fall for it. But it's probably the only way I could see us ever pulling off the Entebbe-style raid. And it needs a lot more work. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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K&P, unless I get to fly the F-15. 
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I'm going to assume this is what the (possibly late, potentially lamented) latest Air Admiral until I'm informed otherwise. Edit: You know what? That guy doesn't deserve to look that cool, I'm revoking the image rights. A shame a man of such talents couldn't have come to his senses and done his patriotic duty to the people of Angola. Oh well, the new Angolan Air Force will have Rohan to shepherd them into the future. Better we mourn our own people we lost. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Could anyone please do a small breakdown of the Rafale and Gripens (C and E) so we can see how the planes compare to each other and which ones we'd want to get when we have the chance to do so?
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Apr 30, 2017 22:59
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Rafales are better than Gripens in pretty much every way, I think. Not sure if that is as true with the latest Gripens though.
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It's not nearly as Swedish, though. Eurobeats just sound so much better coming out of the Gripen's sound system.
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Post Grognard Update Hired Goons! Operation Grognard was a damned good operation. Our birds blunted the Bulgarian advance and gave Von Hoffs troops the opportunity move north, capture key objectives, and reduce the morale of the enemy. On the downside we lost a SU-25, an SK60B, and a pair of Phantoms. All pilots were luckily recovered, if a bit banged up. For the moment the Dictator has virtually no air cover. Think the months after Operation Desert Storm in Iraq. But unlike Saddam Hussein, our dictator has an eager arms market willing to sell him almost anything. The remaining Bulgarian armor deployed to the west and is entrenched in the hills and valleys south of Lobito. This is proving tough territory to operate in for both us, and Von Hoffs infantry. They are camouflaged well, covered up close by Tunguskas, and don't venture out. They learned a tough lesson by relying on just that SA-10 battery. For now the front line is an infantry engagement. OOC Comment : That SA-10 survived pretty often in my testing. If we had a conventional Russian 3 tiered defense system we wouldn't have killed it this time through.  Our biggest gains have been in the east where Mbeke and his rangers ran all the way up to Luacano before being halted. They ran into stiff resistance in Luausse as well but managed to capture the radar site there. Menongue Airport is operational as is Cassamba Airport. Cassamba looks more like a goatfield met a soccer game. I'm not sure we want to fly out there, but it gives our birds some legs to head North into Free State territory.  The first big change is the Dictator procured a bunch of these :  This is the export version of the SA-11 Gadfly. The Dictator purchased a bunch from Egypt. https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataFacility?ID=2132 Initial intel suggests they are keeping them mobile and not switching on the targeting radars until a target is in kill range. SAM Trap. So while the Dictator lacks enough air assets to challenge us, these are going to cause problems. They aren't SA-10 deadly, but pretty close. Our man in Angola, Jack, sent an update too. It's planning time gents. This is what I know. 
In a nutshell we will have 24 hours notice that it's going to happen, but we won't know exactly when. So we've got a full days ops, patrol, and whatever else we want to fit in. But, we need a contingency for when those Kfir's are going to make a break for it. At that point we escort them across the border and to our airfield. In that 24 hour period we can do anything we'd like, hunt SAM's, kill Radar, fire at oil derricks, bomb airfields, you guys name it.  Von Hoff could use some ground assets. While we might win the air war, he might lose the ground war. We've got a good deal from the South Africans on this one. Please note we can't control how, or where, it's used. 4 X Ratel 90 - 4 X Mbombe 6X6 - 2 X Ratel AA 2 X Ratel ZT3 4 X Ratel 60 $15 Million So get to mission planning! I'll call the vote on the procurement tomorrow.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Is there anything we can do for Rohan at this point? Maybe we should have a wake for everyone we've lost so far...help work through the grief together. How many pilots of ours are actually dead? The seven this time got SAR'ed, but what about the six before them? Dong Quixote posted:BFLM Nobody's shot down an Su-30MK either but we nailed one with a loving I-HAWK. That record mostly just means "hasn't faced a peer adversary". Koorisch posted:Could anyone please do a small breakdown of the Rafale and Gripens (C and E) so we can see how the planes compare to each other and which ones we'd want to get when we have the chance to do so? Gripen Pluses: Cheaper, also the E has that IRST pod the Rafales might not Rafale Pluses: Literally Everything Else Also, do we get this procurement in time for the next op or after?
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Bacarruda posted:Saab may or may not want a public relationship with us -- but having tech reps deployed with us would at least be be helpful with keeping maintenance costs down. We haven't bombed The biggest thing, though, is how good an advertisement we are for Saab Defense. We stared down China, and we've shredded the Angolan Air Force, all with Saab's finest products. Very few modern fighters are getting a real world test, and we're doing it for Saab. With all the media attention we've surely been getting, everyone is seeing us flying sexy sexy Gripens. Plus, we have real combat data we could provide them as well. Surely the data is worth something, even if Saab (for some odd reason) doesn't want to associate with us.
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I'm surprised that the Grumble survived testing, sixteen SDBs should empty it's magazine, not even considering the shots used on our HARMs. I'm confident we can defeat the Gadflys though using a similar ordnance expenditure as the last DEAD mission. Locating their exact coordinated, or even general coordinates, would be wise. Reaper with escort perhaps? Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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power crystals posted:How many pilots of ours are actually dead? The seven this time got SAR'ed, but what about the six before them? Our pilots always survive and are recovered. No one is ever "out", just out of a plane for awhile. We will have the planes in time for the next mission.
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K&P sounds good to me! As far as botes go, the Canadian Halifax class frigates might be an option in this timeframe.Their replacement should be starting to get built in the 2020s, so maybe we can get one that would otherwise be mothballed early. It can do a little bit of everything except shore bombardment -- AA defense, ASW, maritime patrol, anti-shipping (Harpoons). Also, nothing in Command says that we have to stick an ASW helicopter in its hangar... we can just as easily stick an Osprey or Hind in there!
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sparkmaster posted:We haven't bombed That's true, they'd probably love live combat data to see how the planes are handling, maybe that could even help us get a small cost reduction when we want to upgrade into the Gripen E's since we'd be getting data on those as well.
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Initial thoughts We should push on the western coast, both to take the radar sites and to shorten our lines The Saffa deal seems like a no brainer. Operationally, I'd hazard a guess at the Kfirs being based out of Maulange (because that'd be more difficult for us) and they're going to be coming in at full afterburner to us. They're probably going to need a fuel drag to get home. I'd risk the VC-10 on it just because it'll be less of a loss than the KC-135 SAM placement... I'd guess either around an airfield (to protect what's left of the shattered Angolan Air Force) or right on the front line in the centre, somewhere near the mines because there seems to be a lack of radar coverage otherwise and the AAF doesn't have much in the way of an ability to respond to an attack at the moment.
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Yooper posted:Our pilots always survive and are recovered. No one is ever "out", just out of a plane for awhile. Huh, I assumed that the guys that punched out over water/behind enemy lines would be in trouble. Good to know! Dandywalken posted:Locating their exact coordinated, or even general coordinates, would be wise. Reaper with escort perhaps? Stop trying to get my drone killed  It probably is the best way to find one, though the Sperwer might also be an option. 40nm search radar range is nasty, but if they leave that off that leaves them with 80nm visual for whatever that's worth. I wonder how close we can get with the Prowler up there. P.S. Buy the stuff for Von Hoff that poo poo costs like, one plane, and it'll mean our ground forces can advance more easily.
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Buy all the things for von Hoff.Dandywalken posted:Rafales are better than Gripens in pretty much every way, I think. Not sure if that is as true with the latest Gripens though. power crystals posted:Gripen Pluses: Cheaper, also the E has that IRST pod the Rafales might not Excuse me, but I'll have you know that the Gripens beat out the Rafale in sheer adorableness!  I rest my case.  (Other than that you guys are right, the Rafale is better. You can even see in that picture that the Rafale beats out the Gripen in kinematic performance. )
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Questions 1. What are the terms of the Kfir payment? Is Abramoff being used as an intermediary? Are the funds to be paid on delivery? 2. Can we contact the governments of Congo and Zambia and request an accommodation for a refugee transportation effort? 3. How the hell will they not know which airbase they're staging out of? Or are Kfirs coming out of both airbases? Can't we just wait to see what some jackass puts up on Twitter? 4. What are we getting in exchange for effectively giving Von Hoff $15 million? 5. Why can't we extract the Kfirs during the strike? 6. Does social media have any useful intel, such as where they might strike?
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Psawhn posted:(Other than that you guys are right, the Rafale is better. You can even see in that picture that the Rafale beats out the Gripen in kinematic performance. ) Yeah, if we're comparing the Gripen C to the Rafale, how does the upgraded one compare though?
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Koorisch posted:Could anyone please do a small breakdown of the Rafale and Gripens (C and E) so we can see how the planes compare to each other and which ones we'd want to get when we have the chance to do so? Rafale: 140nm range AESA radar, no IRST, ALCMs, no Meteors though (in fact, the worst A2A loadout of the lot, four MICA EMs and two MICA IRs) Gripen E: 120nm range AESA radar, 100nm range IRST, Meteors for days (up to six Meteors), longer legs than our Gripen Cs Gripen C: 120nm range PESA radar, no IRST, four Meteors, shortest legs of all three
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Prime target right now is any port facilities in the dictator's territory. We smash the docks, he can't get new toys in or lithium out. Next thing: convince the Bulgarian remnants to defect. Bring up the high likelihood that the dictator will a) stiff them on their payments as his country collapses and b) have them all murdered if they fail again. For the Kfirs, the ideal would be to get them scheduled and loaded for an anti-runway op, then have them close the airfield they just took off from before running south. Maybe combine it with an airborne op to grab Kuito airbase; with the Sultan's Fist pulling out and the Angolan Air Force gone, it's probably mostly empty, and would give Von Hoff control over the center of the country. If we can take Kuito, have the Kfirs land there.
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Can someone explain all the praise the (late) Air admiral is getting? I was watching the stream on my phone so maybe I missed something, but the only plan that looked to be in place was for them to grab anything that could still fly and chuck it at your airfield all at once.It wasn't a bad plan, it just doesn't seem worth noting.
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power crystals posted:Nobody's shot down an Su-30MK either but we nailed one with a loving I-HAWK. That record mostly just means "hasn't faced a peer adversary". Counterpoint: the F-15 has also shot down a satellite and bombed a helicopter that was flying. The F-15 is the corvette of fighters and much like the Prowler or our layered air defense system, I am confident that you will all see the light once we either fly them or fly against them.  Beer4TheBeerGod posted:4. What are we getting in exchange for effectively giving Von Hoff $15 million? People seem to be forgetting that we're mercenaries, not a charity and not the Count's air force. All the protective gold in my Prowler's windshield doesn't come for free guys.
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Quinntan posted:Rafale: 140nm range AESA radar, no IRST, ALCMs, no Meteors though (in fact, the worst A2A loadout of the lot, four MICA EMs and two MICA IRs) Where are you getting the no meteors from? The B/C/M can all hold 4 with two extra MICA EMs. It's even what Rohan was rocking last mission: https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=3230 Dong Quixote posted:Counterpoint: the F-15 has also shot down a satellite and bombed a helicopter that was flying. The F-15 is the corvette of fighters and much like the Prowler or our layered air defense system, I am confident that you will all see the light once we either fly them or fly against them. Look I want that package too, let's just want it for useful reasons 
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Yooper posted:
Somewhere in Kuala Lumpur, CEO of Malaysia Airlines just woke up in cold sweat.
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https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=3318 Beware of the Senior Citizen.
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Ikasuhito posted:Can someone explain all the praise the (late) Air admiral is getting? I was watching the stream on my phone so maybe I missed something, but the only plan that looked to be in place was for them to grab anything that could still fly and chuck it at your airfield all at once.It wasn't a bad plan, it just doesn't seem worth noting. I believe our dearly departed air admiral misled the good dictator, claiming that sortie shot down 4 goon planes for no losses. This was enough of a turnaround for the dictator to be satisfied with the progress the air admiral was making. However, the dictator has since found out the truth and arranged for the air admiral to be killed and devoured by various animals.
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