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Apr 5, 2017 23:11
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Does the phantom really need a scrotum hat?
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Apr 5, 2017 23:19
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Just stopping by to vote Six Phantoms because  
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Apr 5, 2017 23:35
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Bacarruda posted:Our GBU-12 Paveways may weigh 500 pounds, but they only have 192 pounds of explosives. The Rb 15s have a 441 pound warhead. Oh, right, I forgot we had GBU-12s and not GBU-24s, and by "forgot" I mean "completely failed to notice".
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Apr 5, 2017 23:44
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Voting is Final. I'll tally this all up and try to make sense of it. So we'll know in a couple of hours. I'm also going to have the full mission brief tonight. (I hope)  Of interest to everyone, we've been approached by a Boots on the Ground sort of mercenary group who is looking for a seed investment. The investment coordinator is a certain Phi230. So keep this in mind, I believe it'll be a professional group of steely eyed infantry man. (Who probably won't disappear with our money...)
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Apr 5, 2017 23:48
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This is the juggalo fellow, right? Not in a million Sundays
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Apr 5, 2017 23:54
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Money doesn't grow on trees. No.
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Apr 5, 2017 23:57
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Do we have any idea what kind of manpower and/or equipment our ground bound merc friends have? Training? ... A brochure? If their pitchman is a fat guy with giant scissors, they can gently caress right off.
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Apr 5, 2017 23:58
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sparkmaster posted:Money doesn't grow on trees. Sure, but humans grow themselves. And having other humans get killed so that our Yes on merc company
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Apr 6, 2017 00:01
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Can we get a little more info on these new guys? I'm certainly not opposed to starting our own land branch.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:07
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I'm in favor of attack plan A. If we can't take on the burmese military then we'll never get anywhere in the world.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:10
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Crazycryodude posted:Can we get a little more info on these new guys? I'm certainly not opposed to starting our own land branch. I've been told to expect a prospectus and business lecture with beer and stale pretzels.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:12
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Crazycryodude posted:Can we get a little more info on these new guys? I'm certainly not opposed to starting our own land branch. Let's do it; then we'll have an excuse to buy helicopters for air assault missions!
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Apr 6, 2017 00:26
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Yes to getting some boots on the proverbial ground
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Apr 6, 2017 00:29
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So, I know voting is pretty much closed, but I'd actually like to reverse my earlier position entirely. Instead of buying everything, we should buy nothing. It was mentioned that we'll have the opportunity to buy from our German and Scandinavian friends between theaters. I think we should hold out with our cash for the chance to get more gripens. Keeping to one airframe, particularly something that's as versatile and cheap to operate as the gripen is not a bad idea. The more I research the gripen, the more I like it. It's basically a cheaper, scandinavian f-16. It looks like buddy tanking is in development, as is a prowler type. I vote all gripens all the time. Also, I vote yes to the boots, we'll need marines when we start doing eco-piracy in our boat. They might also be useful in providing ground intel, which we currently sorely lack.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:29
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Yes on Boots on the Ground
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Apr 6, 2017 00:36
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Baloogan posted:Yes on Boots on the Ground That's what everyone keeps telling you. Now make it happen drat it. Oh, and Mac support too. Pretty please!
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Apr 6, 2017 00:40
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>_> *unpacks AN/PAQ-1 LTD Laser Designator* *points it nonchalantly at rock near you* <_<
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Apr 6, 2017 00:54
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Bacarruda posted:Our GBU-12 Paveways may weigh 500 pounds, but they only have 192 pounds of explosives. The Rb 15s have a 441 pound warhead. For sure true about effectiveness, but how many GBU-12 can we take on a mission? We could drop 10 of them for 20% of the cost of the nice missile.
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Apr 6, 2017 01:01
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Yes to rifle mercs Having some dudes running around causing trouble is probably really cheap compared to launching missiles all over the place (not that one is a replacement for the other) and also we can get ground intel and other benefits that way,
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Apr 6, 2017 01:08
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I think our Anti-Boat War Crimes flight should have a mix of RB 15F (Anti-Ship Missile) and Paveway loadouts. The loadout with shipping missiles actually comes with two Meteors! They can serve double-duty as escort and anti-ship hammer. On the other hand, with only one Drop Tank and every other mount loaded up with something heavy, the RB 15F loadout only has a 180 nmi strike radius. They're leashed to within that distance from the tanker... which isn't a problem, because we want them to protect the tanker as an HVT anyway. On the other hand, as pointed out, the GBU-12s are only 500 lb bombs. (130 damage points in the game). The RB 15Fs have 300 kg of pure explosive. (300 DP). By comparison, the smallest commercial freight vessel I can find, a 100 TEU 5750t DWT, has 450HP. It can be sunk by a two-ship of Paveways. The largest, a 200000t DWT Dry-bulk carrier, has 7470 DP. I don't think we could sink that in one go even if we send our entire squadron at it! In addition, the Paveway loadouts come with a Litening III pod. This is a big deal. With it our Gripens can classify a boat out to 30 nmi. Without it they'd have to fly right over every single boat to see if it's the right one to blow up. So for maximum flexibility I think we should send Paveways and RB 15s. Finally, it's a bit disappointing that I-SPY doesn't have mid-air refueling capability. If we send him around Bangladesh, he can only stick his toe into the Indian Sea before he has to turn back for fear of running out of fuel and crashing! So keeping him north of Myanmar is best. ===  Accordingly, for the Anti Ship War Crimes Flight, I propose the following: Secondary Mission Plan B-Point-Five: Double-Duty Round The World This plan is a modified version of Bacarruda's Secondary Mission Plan B: Round The World. It only differs by the specified changes. 2x JAS 39 Gripens, "Heavy Hammer" This flight replaces flight "High CAP." They are equipped with the RB 15F Mk2 Loadout. (2x AShM, 2x Meteor, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Drop Tank) Mission: 1: Protect friendly tanker and anti-shipping aircraft from airborne threats. The tanker and AEW are HVT. 1.1: Pilots do not RTB Winchester if RB 15Fs are expended. Continue to provide air escort for friendly air assets. 2: Use minimum necessary firepower to destroy shipping objectives, if Scope and Grope possesses insufficient firepower. 2.1: Use a "High-High-High" profile to attack shipping targets. We're not launching on a Russian SAG, so preserving aircraft kinematics take precedence over sneaking AShMs under the radar. 3: After friendly Tanker and AEW support is safely on the ground, return to home airfield, re-arm with 4xAGM-65B loadout, and support CAS missions while time permits. (Yooper note: Please be sure to disable "RTB when Winchester" for these planes.) 2x JAS 39 Gripens, "Scope and Grope." This flight replaces flight "Ahab." They are equipped with the GBU-12 Long-Range Loadout. (2x GBU-12, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Litening III Pod, 3x Drop Tank) Mission: 1: Search and destroy hostile shipping using available sensors. 1.1: Call in flight Heavy Hammer if own Paveways are insufficient to sink targets 1.2: Do not directly engage warships or shipping protected by warships. Call in Heavy Hammer to engage warships with AShM cruise missiles. 2: Protect self and friendly air assets. 4: After friendly Tanker and AEW support is safely on the ground, support CAS missions while time permits. 4.1: If quick turnaround is possible, retain current loadout. If quick turnaround is not possible, re-arm with 4xAGM-65B loadout. Extra: Pilots may use own discretion to jettison external stores (AShM, Bombs, Drop Tanks) when engaged defensive, or WVR combat with a capable opponent. Those RB 15s are expensive, but not as expensive as an entire Gripen. S 100 B AEW: Deployment schedule as Bacarruda's Plan B. Psawhn fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Apr 6, 2017 01:08
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The problem with your plan is you're dragging the tanker pretty close to this mess. I'm beginning to think that perhaps we should just throw the entire Gripen force at the freighters, make sure we identify and blow away both of them. How many HP would a decent size bulk carrier have?
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Apr 6, 2017 01:20
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  The Phantom-Frog pack will arrive after the next mission. And speaking of that mission we'll have some intel coming soon. Bacarruda and Psawhn have both made proposals in regard to the strike. I'll link that and we can go from there.
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Apr 6, 2017 01:23
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Hell yeah 
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Apr 6, 2017 01:33
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Cathode Raymond posted:Yes to rifle mercs Yep! Nothing spots hidden SAM sites better than a dude 50 meters away hidden in a bush. Human intelligence is super valuable, and we could insert the ground dudes via airdrop a mission in advance for some recon work. Perfect job for a utility helo actually.
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Apr 6, 2017 01:41
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Quinntan posted:The problem with your plan is you're dragging the tanker pretty close to this mess. We just won't have the range if we don't send the tanker down there. This image is very lovely, but  . The green shaded area is 180 nmi from the coast. That is the maximum range our Gripens can fly with the RB 15 anti ship missiles. The blue shaded area is 80 nmi from that. That is the maximum range the RB 15 missiles can fly. The yellow shaded area is 600 nmi from the coast. That is the maximum range we can send Gripens with full drop tanks but only two Paveways. Without tankers, we cannot even launch the anti ship missiles at a target outside the blue zone. The yellow zone also overestimates our search range -- we can get to edge and back, but less if we have to fly within 30 nmi of various ships to see which one to bomb. This is assuming we're refueling from India's tanker on the mainland. The situation's even worse if we go with Secondary Plan A, because it's 400 nmi from our airbase to the Bangladesh/Burma coast. So, yeah. We need to send our tanker down there, and even then he needs to buddy refuel from the Indians and fly over the Indian Ocean himself, just to give our Gripens the legs to reach the entire search zone.
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Apr 6, 2017 01:57
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The Marine Session Target #1 Mao's Wisdom 5750t Container Ship - Arriving from Shanghai  The Mao's Wisdom is carrying munitions and radar. It has a checkered registry ranging from Moldova to Philippine but always traceable back to China. That they're hauling munitions like this in a Chinese registered ship says something about the desperation to halt this front. Of particular note is container of the JY-14 radar systems. We have no information regarding armament or upgrades. Target #2 Red Blossom 9500t Container Ship - Arriving from Angola  The Red Blossom was originally carrying SAM's systems to Angola, including a Chinese variant of the venerable ZSU-23 system. Of more worry is a very large collection of MANPAD's, FN-6, QW-3, and a limited quantity of Verba's. This ship was interdicted by the US Navy off Somalia a few years back after hauling weapons to some very unsavory characters. We do have footage of her at Cape Town and saw no armament. But, there was a Chinese Frigate spotted shortly after. As I stated before. These are optional targets. They are closing in on Sittwe. Once they get into Myanmar territorial waters we run the risk of dragging Myanmar into the conflict against us. If we breach Myanmar airspace we can guarantee a hefty response. If we fire upon the container ships we will get a response, though likely less. Myanmar Air Force  Myanmar has a fairly robust radar system all along the coast line. What they lack in fighters they make up for in coverage. The Air Force has been assisting China in the Sichuan theater and in the Northern operations. We can expect a range of J-6, J-7, and MIG-29's. They may have JF-17's as well. Our intel is unclear. They will not breach Indian or Bangladeshi air space though they may fire into it. The pilots on hand are not trainees but veterans of fighting in the East. The CAS Up North  Under cover of darkness two regiments of Indian "Volunteers" crossed the border and took Nyingchi. The Volunteers are a mix of Indians and Tibetan exiles. They have a serious lack of heavy armament, hence why we're here. The TLA pushed up in one mountain pass to the South. The Chinese-Tibetan Army is pushing back, hard, in a pass to the North. Make no mistake, without our robust support these units will crumble. India won't cross the border to offer air support. We have intel on the ground about units in contact with Chinese Mech Infantry Platoons, ZSU-57's, MLRS Artillery, Type 59 MBT's, and a forward operating base. More units are likely inbound. It's been confirmed. The air wing in Lhasa is grounded. Expect no Chinese air intervention. The TLA units moving up are much lighter. Infantry. Mortars. Some old Chinese T-55 knock-offs, and HN-5B MANPAD's. They also have forward operating bases that our intel folks picked up. They have halted in contact with the Volunteers and seem content to hold where they are, until an opening arises. Payment The Indians have provided an interesting incentive. Beyond a mission salary we're also receiving a performance bonus. The more we destroy, the more we get paid. Thank Jack, Our Man in Washington, for lobbying hard on this one. Speaking of payment : $25,000,000 plus performance. Destruction of UN personnel will significantly reduce payout. Everyone knows the "Volunteers" are Indian backed. But it gives them deniability. So India needs us, and needs us something fierce. The UN still wants to conduct humanitarian operations but for the moment has halted all shipments. So there it is Hired Goons. So far we have plans from Bacarruda and Psawhn.
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Apr 6, 2017 02:13
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Now that we're hiring mercs, could we "commandeer" the chinese frigate?
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Apr 6, 2017 02:19
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sparkmaster posted:Now that we're hiring mercs, could we "commandeer" the chinese frigate? Down the road, sure, why not. For now they're just a bunch of goofballs with Soldier of Fortune magazine subscriptions.
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Apr 6, 2017 02:25
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I vote Bacarruda with secondary target Plan B, I think we want to keep Myanmar out of this mess as much as possible.
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Apr 6, 2017 02:33
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The plan for the north is simple. Have two Gripens fly in with precision munitions and a recce pod to find and destroy the ZSU-57s, otherwise we are only going to get one pass in with the Sk60s before they're alert and ready to chew up our aircraft. Once they are eliminated we are then free to use our Sk60s and try to eliminate them all. The south is a bit trickier. Now that we know how big the targets are, we're going to need to use Rb-15s on them. Even then, Mao's Wisdom will require two and the Red Blossom will need three to go down, if I'm doing the damage point maths right in my head. That means we have to use four Gripens and at least three, preferably all four, have to be loaded with Rb-15s, we want a backup plane in case something goes wrong along the way. We'll also need the tanker to come along too.
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Apr 6, 2017 02:44
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If we paint the freighters and ring them to say "turn around right now or else" would it work? I'd rather not commit war crimes (where Myanmar will retaliate) if we don't have to (eco-terrorism counts as necessary). The problem of course is that they'll just show up again a bit later. Maybe have them dump everything over the side while we watch?
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Apr 6, 2017 02:45
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If we don't just take them out, then there's nothing stopping them from getting in touch with Myanmar and reporting that there's a bunch of air pirates threatening us and could you please come shoot them down thank you very much.
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Apr 6, 2017 02:53
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I feel like my ships in CMANO sink without needing so many missiles, but that might be perspective bias, plus these are big boats. We might be able to do the job with a mix of munitions for cheaper? I mean, ultimately it is definitely worth $9 million worth of missiles or maybe even a lot more to make our planes safer down the road by sinking these ships. One way or another both ships need to go down.
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Apr 6, 2017 02:55
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 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  Meet a one Bogdan Patrovic, the most prolific arms dealer in all of Macedonia! I represent him as his fine international outreach adviser, and upon hearing your great success as a company, we indeed have a proposal for you! We notice your distinct lack of GROUND POWER and come to you with a modest proposal: we supply the men, the weapons, all to you for a good price! Sounds good, no? We have the best selection of equipment and the best contacts to hook you up with the best men! Let us propose three choices we at Bogdan Enterprises think you will very much enjoy! All prices include life insurance and health insurance, and overhead including: food, accommodation, support staff, miscellaneous equipment and clothing, and ammunition. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Package A - U.S. Army Recruit Class of 2020  When U.S. Army Recruit Class 22-B14 failed Basic Training, it broke their hearts. However, they determined to not allow such misfortune to break their wallets. Highly trained and equipped, they represent the finest fighting force at your available price range. 12x Infantry - High Skill Armament Weapon - Price Per Unit 24x M16A2 - $1200 2x M24 - $6400 1x M16A2 M203 - $2400 1x M60 - $5000 1x LAW - $8,000 1x M2 Machinegun - $15,000 3x M92F - $1200 1 Free M1911A1 With Package! 20x M67 Frag - $900 5x M19A1 White Phosphorus - $2000 3x M18A1 Claymore - $3000 5 Smoke Grenades Free With Package! 2x Night Vision Goggles - $3000 Several thousand rounds of ammo and some other goodies thrown in as a token of good faith! $8.5 Million ----------------------------------------------------------------- Package B - 302nd Motostrelki Company  Tasked with defending a strategically important lumber mill deep in Siberia by Soviet High Command in 1979, the news of the dissolution of the Soviet Union absolutely devastated the 302nd, who, in their lack of contact with the rest of the world, only found out recently. Maintaining their numbers by conscripting the local populace, these fine men of the Soviet Union are taking their talents abroad. 24x Infantry - Moderate Skill Weapon - Price Per Unit 30x AK-74 - $800 8x PKM - $1250 4x RPK-74 - $1000 2x RPG-7v - $2000 2x Dragunov SVD - $1500 2x AK-74GP - $1400 1x AGS-17 - $5000 120x Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Free With Package! 15x RGD-5 - $1000 30 Free Smoke Grenades With Package Optional Extras: T-34-85 - $14000 2x BMP-2 For Sale! - $45,000 Each! *extra cost for spare parts, crews, and fuel/ammunition $5 Million Package B2 - All Armored Vehicles 7.5 Million ------------------------------------------------------ Package C - A Group of Serbian Hooligans  These boys found us on the streets of Belgrade and tried to mug us but followed us home and demanded a job when they learned we were a mercenary company. 36x Street Rats - Low Skill 2x AK-47 - $600 1x Makarov PM - $450 1x American Derringer Model 1 - $300 3x FN FNC - $1000 2x Uzi - $1000 1x M1 Carbine - $1200 1x AR-15 - $800 2x Machete -$125 1x Antique Broadsword - $4000 14x Switch Blade - $65 1x Broken Bottle -$0 1x 1989 Volkswagen Eurovan -$2500 1x 1991 Chevrolet Geo Metro - unknown , probably stolen 2.5 Million We very much looking forward to dealing with you, Hired Goons! We eagerly await your response. Phi230 fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Apr 6, 2017 02:59
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Is it possible to get the U.S. troops and buy the Soviet armor separately?
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Apr 6, 2017 03:03
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If the Chinese decide to send one of their modern Type 54A frigates, we'd be taking a giant risk trying to get within bomb range of the Red Blossom. Even their older frigates with the HQ-61 system should give us pause. Mao's wisdom, on the other hand, is very doable with LGBs.
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Apr 6, 2017 03:03
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Crazycryodude posted:Is it possible to get the U.S. troops and buy the Soviet armor separately? Maybe Bogdan will have the hookup for all your tank and armored vehicle needs in the near future. It may be possible, right now, to arrange supplemental shipments of weapons, equipment, and ammunition from one or more of Bogdan's international contacts.
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Apr 6, 2017 03:04
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I'm leaning toward package B w/vehicles right now. Those BMP's will make the troops a lot more mobile and effective.
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Apr 6, 2017 03:05
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Bogdan sounds like my kind of guy. I like Bogdan, we should do more business with Bogdan. Anyways, the U.S. troops sound best to me. We're not starting a proper army, we're looking for some dudes to do scouting/HUMINT poo poo and the highest training level + low numbers jives best with that. Dudes crawling through bushes and finding SAM sites don't need tanks.
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Apr 6, 2017 03:06
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