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RA Rx posted:The rubbish Ivanov support fighters will make the game more fun. The problem with those Fishbeds is that they are almost completely worthless. They are the East Block equivalent of Sk60's. Their ground attack munitions top off at 3.7 km in range, and those are the rockets. The actual bombs only have 1.9 km, and are all dumb. Then there's the fact that their AA options, both of them, are objectively worse than Sidewinders. They're not worth the effort of getting off the ground. From a meta perspective, you may as well give a pilot slot to a salvo of cruise missiles. They would last as long, and go more damage in the process. I would rather get Tucanos. At least the Afghan versions can carry a pair of light Paveways. For the Hinds, there's the usual argument over the actual utility of attack choppers. At least these Brazilian models can go all in with the guided missiles, so it could be worse.
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RA Rx posted:Just use them as automated lawn darts, or in a sanitized air space. And I would consider being assigned to one of them to be an insult. In addition to being sent to the back of the pilot que.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Well you can just say to Yooper 'I don't want a Hind'. No need to deny them to the rest of us. It's more I've would have been considered to be only useful as a pseudo-kamikaze/improvised cruise missile. Being in a lovely plane is one thing, but these Croatian Fishbeds are actively suicidal to use. At least most of Phantom variants have some form of mid range guided bomb to give some pretense of suitability.
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Velius posted:I also really don't understand the folks that want to power game this to have the "best" planes, especially not in the air superiority role or SEAD roles, because that way leads to extremely boring missions. The counter will be power creep where the opposition gets better poo poo and our non-Gen 4.9-5 aircraft will be useless. I would argue that our pre-Gen 4 birds are ALREADY useless in anything other than a strict uncontested air-to-mud capability. Against AA even vaguely modern (i.e. early to mid 90s), anything less capable than a Phantom is target practice. And Phantoms still struggle.
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orcbuster posted:Phantoms are 3rd gen birds though. They have access to AMRAAMs, Paveways, and Mavericks. They can at put up a good pretense of contending in hostile airspace. Most remaining 60s-early 70s era birds can't even do that. There's still the issue that their wings are at risk of falling off though. That's the real problem for most old jets. Cumulative air frame stress and lack of fresh replacement parts have killed more birds than combat.
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An additional issue I have with the various poo poo buckets is that even if you're willing to ride them down in flames, they're still bought on the company's dime. Yes, YOU might find it entertaining, but the rest of us have to deal with the fact that you threw millions of dollars into the fire. That money could have been use for something actually productive.
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Yooper posted:There's 40 years of cool planes. I'm not going to get us into Gen 5 stuff. It pigeonholes us into one niche and requires our opponents to be in the same niche otherwise we just curbstomp everyone. Same with systems like the S-400, we might deal with one, but it's not fun to have a meatgrinder of our own planes to knock out a SAM site. I just thought of a way to make "variety" crowd happy without pissing of the practicals. Freebee Air-Frame Quotas. Thanks to some implausible and convoluted tax loop hole, the various supplies have found a way to make more profit off of throwing lovely 2nd and early 3tf gen planes at their various customers than actually selling them. The exact mechanics and dispositions are complex and completely opaque to outsiders, but rest assured this will result in random rear end planes showing up all over the world. The actual game implication would be that at the start of every campaign, one of our suppliers gifts us 4-8 random cheap POS that fall under their catalog. To prevent awkward questions, and the keep the insurance companies at bay, we have to dump them into the ocean or something after we're done.
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Has there been an info-post about munitions types yet? I'll admit to being more than a bit confused over all of the different types and configurations of Paveways and the like. Similar questions include: What's a Brimstone/Maverick/Mjolner and what do they do? What's with all these different types of short (Sidewinder/ASRAAM/IRIST-T)/medium (AMRAAM/Meteor)/long range missiles? What do these different model letters indicate? omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 23:35 on May 23, 2017 |
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Anybody that votes for the Boat forfeits any right to complain when it, and the rest of the package, accomplish gently caress all and get turned to scrap metal by otherwise trivial opponents.
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paragon1 posted:Bunch of senseless unprovoked anti-bote hate and propaganda on display in this thread. smh The boat is at most a third of the problem people have with the package. The lion's share is the fact that we also get saddled with a bunch of over priced maned cruise missiles. Some people find that amusing, but the more serious of us HATE the idea of just throwing away money like that. Having a single boat means that we have to build our mission plans around using it and protecting it. It's too expensive to not use, but it's too vulnerable without a flotilla group. A boat alone is a white elephant. If we could get a flotilla of 3-4 boats, that would be something much more useful.
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On a completely different subject, I've been thralling through the baloogan wiki, and I'm trying to make sense of the various Russian SAMs. Could someone more knowledge able tell me which ones are actually modern/dangerous?
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Gervasius posted:Mention "double-digit SAMs" to any combat aircraft driver and watch them sweat. Basically, everything from SA-10 upwards is really dangerous. Some can be evaded by flying high (SA-13, SA-14, SA-16, SA-18), flying low doesn't work anymore. SA-11 can be avoided by flying in proximity of a Malaysian 777. Yep. Every bit as nasty as I thought it was. Considering the importance, Yoober might want to mark this.
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Olothreutes posted:1 K&P CAS No, the Ivanov support pick give us a bunch of hot garbage and expensive and isolated liability.
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Olothreutes posted:That's true. But my statement was about my personal evaluation of how desirable the things are, not if they are actually good. I agree that the boat is a trap and we should hold out for something better. I just don't like the other options any more than that one. Boats are a very expensive under taking. If you want to actually deploy them, you need to do so in enough strength to ensure that they can protect themselves. We'd need at least 3 corvettes to even think of attempting that, and we'd still be critically weak in terms of AA. A single isolated small ship is dead meat the moment anything looks at it funny. An Arleigh Burke can get away with it due to being a cruiser with the designation filed off and having the magic Swiss army knife that is the VLS, but we are nowhere near to point of being pay the $1.843 Billion purchase price. And then we'd have to fill the silos.
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RA Rx posted:1. Ivanov Support If we want to go into boats, we need to be able to start off with at least a $1B splurge. Anything less, and we may as well light it all on fire for all the good it'll do us. The barrier to (effective) entry is that high.
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Loel posted:Yooper, can we attempt to steal boats next campaign? Ok, THAT sounds interesting.
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JcDent posted:The amount of salt I will feel for us buying the Xena-16 vs. Troll-16 can only be exceeded by the Hand That Voted For Migs And Botes Shall Never Touch Ours Committee For Prudence. Look, CMANO is NOT a particularly kind simulation engine. If Yooper wanted to make a single corvette relevant and/or plausibly survivable, he'd have to to far to much scripting and hand holding to be practical in the long term. As is, we would have to devote far to much of our other assets to protect it, and that takes away from our ability to actually accomplish mission objectives. $400M is simply far to little to break into naval action with any sort of success. My current idea is that we get offered ships as an alternative mission payment. Much cheaper than normal procurement, and opens up special event opportunities. As for the Fishbeds/choppers, you might be fine with burning millions of our hard earned dollars for 3-5 minutes of entertainment, but the rest us of have to deal with the consequences. Like I said before, CMANO is NOT kind, and punishes gently caress ups ruthlessly. "Cute gimmicks" are an explicit recipe for failure, and is considered to be a design feature. Even if Yooper wanted to hold our hands, he still can't control what the AI does. EDIT: for those that wan't to fly turd, I'm brainstorming a possible solution. It features the return of Wacky Willy. omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 22:05 on May 24, 2017 |
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Quinntan posted:Reasons to sell the Sk60s Also, Bearing Straits Native Corp. Lets support another native nationalist insurgency! This time, the controlling foreign interest is only implied! Also, gently caress TED. There can be no peace while he draws breath.
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Bacarruda posted:If we could trade in the two AMXes and the Mirage F.1CR for four ex-Moroccan Mirage F.1EMs, that'd be amazing. Good for Yooper and planners since it harmonizes our aircraft fleet a lot more. And good for us, since it gives us a little bit more low-cost oddball strike capability. Again, good idea. It also gets us a NEW form of guided munition to squander, the SBU-38. Bet of all, the only other planes that use it are France's own Rafales, so we shouldn't have too much theoretical competition for the supplies. On an unrelated note, going through the unit lists, it seems that the only British (exclusively) build jet worth thinking about is the Jaguar. The Lighting is a short legs point interceptor, the Hunter too slow, and the Harrier is too Harrier. The Singapore Hunter is worth a look, if only due to being able to carry 4 Mavericks. EDIT: Nope, the Jag was also split with the French. Just asking, but did the British EVER do anything engineering related right without someone to hold their hands? omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 04:04 on May 25, 2017 |
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Quinntan posted:Jaguar isn't a solely British aircraft, they developed it with the French. Just noticed the first part, but the fundamental problem with the Harrier is that it's a loving Harrier.
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Bering Strait, sell the Sk60s and AMXs
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Native Corporation If we can "borrow" a bunch of their dudes, stealing botes become WAY easier. I don't think Mitsuhasi would be inclined to give us a hand in such things.
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Quick question, but the CMANO engine hard limits load-out options right? So we can't have the Saudi Tornado's use 1000lbs bombs other than the lovely British Mk13? The Brimstones more than make up for it, but It would be nice to have the option to use the objectively better US Mk83 family. EDIT: While we're on the subject of Tornado's, why do none of the load-outs have more than 2 guided AtG munitions? Is it an aircraft limitation? omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 06:23 on May 26, 2017 |
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Yooper posted:This is too much fun not to do. I'm calling it.  and 
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Just putting this out there, but would the Israeli's be willing to sell an Iron Dome? It would do a way better job at ordinance intercept than the ZSUs and SA-22's. The big issue would be the cost, likely to be around ~$60M, with a $100K per missile upkeep. I doubt that they would be willing to part with an Iron Beam though. The raw CNAMO stats look inferior for the laser anyway.
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Zack If we play our cards right, we might be able to get him indebted to us.
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This list only includes weapons that are used on something that sees current service. Guidance Abbreviations None: Unguided IR: Infrared Heat Seeker Laser: Laser designated Semi: Semi-active radar Radar: Internal Radar guided ARH: Anti-Radiation Homing TV: Camera remote controlled GPS: Global Positioning System INS: Internal Navigation System, works when the GPS is debris Comm: Command guidance, wire or radio Damage Abbreviations Frag: Fragmentation HE: High Explosive AP: Armor Piercing SAP: Semi-Armor Piercing HTP: Hard Target Penetrating SC: Shaped Charge Property Abbreviations HoJ: Home On Jamming BOL: Bearing Only Launch TF: Terrain Following SP: Search Pattern Pre-Set: Pre-Briefed target only Pop-Up: Terminal attack pattern is Pop-up Random: Terminal attack pattern is Random Re-Attack: Re-Attack capability Memory: ARH Target memory HOF: High Off Bore launching LOAL: Lock-On After Launch NATO BOMBS For NATO, there are only 3 main families of bombs. There is the base unguided version, and then there's the add-on kits to add guidance. Several guidance packages are identical to each other. It's a production code/Israeli thing. 241 kg/500 lbs bombs pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties Mk 82: 1 nm none 50m 99% 130 241 kg HE - GBU-12 Paveway II: 4 nm Laser 2m 85% 275 kg 1976 Griffin LGB: 4 nm Laser 2m 85% 275 kg Israeli, 1995 GBU-49 Paveway II: 4 nm GPS 2m 85% 275 kg 2001 GBU-38 JDAM: 12 nm INS 10m 95% 253 kg 1997 GBU-54 LJDAM: 12 nm INS 10m 95% 253 kg 2008 Paveway IV: 15 nm Laser 3m 85% 275 kg British, 2006 454 kg/1000 lbs bombs pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties Mk 83: 1 nm none 50m 99% 303 447 kg HE - GBU-16 Paveway II: 4 nm Laser 2m 85% 495 kg 1976 Griffin LGB: 4 nm Laser 2m 85% 495 kg Israeli, 1995 GBU-48 Paveway II: 4 nm GPS 2m 85% 495 kg 2001 GBU-32 JDAM: 12 nm INS 10m 95% 468 kg 1997 SPICE 1000: 35 nm INS 2m 95% 566 kg Israeli, 2005 894 kg/2000 lbs bombs pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties Mk 84: 1 nm none 50m 99% 643 894 kg HE - BLU-109: 1 nm, none 50m 99% 363 894 kg HTP - GBU-10 Paveway II: 4 nm Laser 2m 85% 966 kg 1976? GBU-24 Paveway III: 8 mn Laser 2m 85% 1065 kg 1988 GBU-15 EO: 15 nm TV 2m 85% 1100 kg 1984 GBU-15 IR: 15 nm IR 2m 85% 1100 kg 1986 Griffin LGB 4 nm Laser 2m 85% 970 kg Israeli, 1995 GBU-31 JDAM: 12 nm INS 10m 95% 946 kg 1997 GBU-15 EO w/GPS: 15 nm TV 2m 95% 1100 kg 2001 GBU-15 IR w/GPS: 15 nm IR 2m 95% 1100 kg 2001 SPICE 2000: 35 nm IR 2m 95% 1066 kg Israeli, 2003 GBU-8 HOBOS 5 nm TV 10m 80% 1027 kg Very funny name pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties Mk20 Rockeye II: 1 nm None 50m 99% c148 222 kg SC - CBU-103 WCMD: 15 nm INS 10m 95% c311 431 kg SC 2000 Bk 90 Mjolner 1 AP: 8 nm INS 10m 95% c72 600 kg Frag Swedish Bk 90 Mjolner 2 AT: 8 mn INS 10m 95% c24 600 kg SC Swedish DWS.39/Bk 90 AR: 8 mn INS 10m 95% c384 600 kg HTP Swedish/Greek pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties Mk 81 250 lbs 1 nm none 50m 99% 67.5 125 kg HE - GBU-58/B Paveway II 4 nm Laser 2m 85% 67.5 158 kg HE - GBU-59/B Paveway II 4 nm INS 2m 85% 67.5 158 kg HE - GBU-39/B SDB: 60 nm GPS 10m 85% 140 129 kg HTP 2006 GBU-53/B SDB-II: 60 nm GPS 10m 95% 72 93 kg HTP 2018 British Mk 13: 1 nm none 50m 99% 270 467 kg HE British pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties T.25 250kg 1 nm None 50m 99% 186 247 kg HE - T.200 400kg 1 nm None 50m 99% 259 345 kg HE - Durandal 1 nm None 50m 99% 150 219 kg HTP 1978 BGL-400 4 nm Laser 2m 85% 259 470 kg HE 1986 BGL-1000 4 nm Laser 2m 85% 600 970 kg HE 1993 SBU-38 AASM/D 35 nm GPS 10m 95% 135 340 kg HE 2007 SBU-54 AASM/D 35 nm IR 10m 95% 135 340 kg HE 2011 SBU-64 AASM/D 35 nm SALH 10m 95% 135 340 kg HE 2013 Small AtG Missiles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AGM-176A Griffin: 3 nm Laser 2m 90% 6 16 kg HE TF, 2010? AGM-114K Hellfire II 5 nm Laser 2m 90% 8 43 kg SC TF AGM-114L Hellfire II 5 nm Radar 2m 90% 8 43 kg SC TF Brimstone: 16 nm Radar 2m 95% 8 49 kg SC BOL, TF, British, 2006 Brimstone II: 37 nm Radar 2m 95% 8 49 kg SC BOL, TF, British, 2016 Medium AtG Missiles (Mavericks or nothing) pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AGM-65B Maverick: 6 nm TV 2m 85% 66.3 210 kg AP 1976 AGM-65D Maverick: 6 nm IR 2m 90% 66.3 210 kg AP 1984 AGM-65E Maverick: 6 nm Laser 2m 90% 61.2 210 kg AP 1986 AGM-65F/G Maverick: 6 nm IR 2m 90% 61.2 210 kg AP 1990 AGM-65K Mavericks: 6 nm IR 2m 90% 61.2 210 kg AP - Large AtG Missiles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AGM-12C Bullpup: 6 nm TV 20m 85% 453 810 kg Frag 1965 AGM-64A Walleye: 10 nm TV 5m 85% 300 510 kg SC 1967 AGM-64B Walleye: 10 nm TV 5m 85% 700 1060 kg SC 1967 AGM-64A Walleye ER: 30 nm TV 5m 85% 300 510 kg SC 1976 AGM-64B Walleye ER: 30 nm TV 5m 85% 700 1060 kg SC 1976 AGM-130C CWW: 40 nm IR 2m 90% 193 1323 kg FAE 1995 AGM-130F CWW: 40 nm IR 2m 90% 193 1323 kg FAE 2002 AGM-142F Popeye: 40 nm IR 2m 90% 495 1498 kg HE Israeli, 1996? AGM-154A JSOW: 45 nm IR 10m 95% c223 468 kg SC 2000 AGM-154B JSOW: 45 nm IR 10m 95% c24 470 kg SC 2003 AGM-154C JSOW: 45 nm IR 2m 95% 454 468 kg HTP 2004 AtG Cruise Missiles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties SOM A: 130 nm IR 10m 95% 230 600 kg HE Pre-Set, Turkish, 2015 SOM B/J: 130 nm IR 2m 95% 230 600 kg HE Pre-Set, Turkish, 2015 AGM-84K SLAMER-ATA: 150 nm IR 2m 95% 360 675 kg SAP TF, Pop-Up, Re-Attack, 2000 Taurus KEPD 350P: 180 nm IR 2m 90% 675 1240 kg HTP Pre-Set, German, 2005 AGM-158A JASSM: 215 nm IR 2m 95% 207 1020 kg HTP Pre-Set, 2004 Storm Shadow: 215 nm IR 2m 90% 681 1300 kg HTP Pre-Set, Technically French, 2003 AGM-158B JASSM: 430 nm IR 2m 95% 207 1020 kg HTP Pre-Set, 2009 Anti-Ship pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties RB 15F Mk1: 45 nm Radar 4m 85% 300 600 kg HE HoJ, TF, BOL, Pop-Up, Swedish, 1990 Sea Eagle: 60 nm Radar 4m 85% 230 580 kg SAP HoJ, TF, BOL, SP, British, 1986 AGM-84D Harpoon IC: 75 nm Radar 4m 90% 166 522 kg SAP HoJ, TF, BOL, SP, Pop-Up, 1986 AGM-84G Harpoon ICR: 75 nm Radar 4m 90% 166 522 kg SAP HoJ, TF, BOL, SP, Pop-Up, Re-Attack, 1998 AGM-84L Harpoon II: 75 nm Radar 4m 95% 166 522 kg SAP HoJ, TF, BOL, SP, Pop-Up, Re-Attack, Anti-Surface, 2003 AGM-84N Harpoon II+: 75 nm Radar 4m 95% 166 522 kg SAP HoJ, TF, BOL, SP, Pop-Up, Re-Attack, Anti-Surface, 2018 RB 15F Mk2: 80 nm Radar 4m 90% 300 600 kg HE HoJ, TF, BOL, Pop-Up, Swedish, 2002 RB 15F Mk3: 110 nm Radar 4m 95% 300 600 kg HE HoJ, TF, BOL, Pop-Up, Swedish, Anti-Surface, 2008 AGM-158C LARSM: 430 nm Yes 2m 95% 450 1020 kg HE HoJ, TF, BOL, Re-Attack, Random, Adv-DECM, Anti-Surface, 2019 Anti-Radar (or why everybody hates having to use Shrikes) pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AGM-45B Shrike: 25 nm ARH 5m 85% 66 177 kg Frag 1975 AGM-78B Standard: 50 nm ARH 5m 85% 62 635 kg Frag 1975 ALARM Blk 1/2: 40 nm ARH 5m 90% 17.5 268 kg Frag Memory, BOL, Loiter, British, 1991 AGM-88B HARM: 70 nm ARH 5m 90% 65 366 kg HE Memory, BOL, 1990 AGM-88C HARM: 70 nm ARH 5m 90% 65 366 kg HE Memory, BOL, HOJ, 1994 AGM-88E AARGM: 70 mn ARM 5m 95% 65 366 kg HE Memory, BOL, HOJ, 2014 pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AS.30L 6 nm Laser 2m 85% 240 520 kg HE - AS.37 Martel 30 nm ARM 5m 85% 150 535 kg HE - AS.34 Kormoran 1/2 30 nm Radar 4m 85% 165 630 kg SAP HoJ, TF, BOL, SP, Pop-Up AM.39 Exocet Blk II: 36 nm Radar 4m 90% 165 670 kg HE HoJ, TF, BOL, SP, Pop-Up Apache 75 nm IR 2m 95% c520 1230 kg HTP TF, Pre-set SCALP EG See Storm Shadow Short Range AA Missiles (IE Sidewinders and friends) pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AIM-9P Sidewinder: 10 nm IR - 90% 3.5 85 kg Frag Single spectral?, 1972 AIM-9N Sidewinder: 10 nm IR - 90% 3.5 85 kg Frag Single spectral?, 1975 AIM-9P-4 Sidewinder: 10 nm IR - 90% 3.5 85 kg Frag 1980 AIM-9L Sidewinder: 10 nm IR - 85% 3.5 85 kg Frag 1990 AIM-9S Sidewinder: 10 nm IR - 90% 3.5 85 kg Frag 1990 AIM-9L-1 Sidewinder: 10 nm IR - 95% 3.5 85 kg Frag 1993 AIM-9M Sidewinder: 10 nm IR - 95% 3.5 85 kg Frag 1984 Python 4: 10 nm IR - 95% 3.99 105 kg Frag HOB, Israeli, 1994 AIM-9X Sidewinder: 10 nm IR - 95% 3.5 85 kg Frag HOB, LOAL, 2005 AIM-132A ASRAAM: 15 nm IR - 95% 3.5 88 kg Frag HOB, LOAL, British, 1998 Python 5: 15 nm IR - 95% 3.99 105 kg Frag HOB, Israeli, 2005 AIM-2000A IRIS-T: 15 nm IR - 95% 4.99 87 kg Frag HOB, German, 2007 Medium Range AA Missiles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AIM-7F Sparrow III 55 nm Semi - 70% 5.6 231 kg Frag 1977 AIM-7M Sparrow III 55 nm Semi - 80% 5.6 231 kg Frag 1985 AIM-7P Sparrow III 55 nm Semi - 85% 5.6 231 kg Frag 1994 AIM-120B AMRAAM: 40 nm Radar - 90% 2.7 154 kg Frag HoJ, 1996 AIM-120C AMRAAM: 40 nm Radar - 95% 2.7 154 kg Frag HoJ, 1990 Derby: 40 nm Radar - 95% 4.38 118 kg Frag HoJ, Israeli, 2002 AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM: 60 nm Radar - 95% 3.01 154 kg Frag HoJ, 2003 AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM: 60 nm Radar - 95% 3.01 154 kg Frag HoJ, 2007 AIM-120D AMRAAM: 75 nm Radar - 95% 3.01 154 kg Frag HoJ, 2016 Meteor: 75 nm Radar - 95% 12.2 185 kg Frag HoJ, Ballistic Fight, Technically French, 2016 Long Range AA Missiles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AIM-54A Pheonix: 100 nm Radar - 80% 60 463 kg Frag HoJ, 1974, OLD AND EASILY DUPED AIM-54C Pheonix: 120 nm Radar - 85% 61 463 kg Frag HoJ, 1989, Yooper says no AIM-152A/B AAAM: 160 nm Radar - 90% 8.05 300 kg Frag HoJ, Purest Pixy Dust French AA Missiles: Because they simply couldn't help themselves pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties R.550 Magic 1: 5 nm IR - 75% 4.38 89 kg Frag 1976 R.550 Magic 2 Mk1: 8 nm IR - 85% 4.38 89 kg Frag 1986 R.550 Magic 2 Mk2: 10 nm IR - 95% 4.38 89 kg Frag 1997 Super R.530D 30 nm Semi - 80% 10.5 245 kg Frag 1989 Mica IR 45 nm IR - 95% 4.2 112 kg Frag HOB, 2000? Mica EM 45 nm Radar - 95% 4.2 112 kg Frag HoJ, HOB, 2000 Meteor It's technically French, 2016 Chopper Weapons pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties HYDRA 70mm 3 nm none 20m 99% 8, 14 kg HE - AIM-92C Stinger 3 nm IR - 85% 1.05 15 kg Frag - HOT 3 3 nm Comm 2m 90% 6.5 34 kg SC TF, German AGM-114K Hellfire II 5 nm Laser 2m 90% 8 43 kg SC TF AGM-114L Hellfire II 5 nm Radar 2m 90% 8 43 kg SC TF AGM-119B Penguin 20 nm IR - 90% 75 385 kg SAP TF, BOL, SP, Pop-Up, also sees use as a lovely SSM on old missile boat. pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties Mk46 LWT Mod 2 3 nm Sonar - 70% 40 258 kg HE BOL, SP, 45 knots, 1972 MU-90 Impact 4 nm Sonar - 85% 59 305 kg HE BOL, SP, 55 knots, 2003 Mk46 NEARTIP Mod 5 4 nm Sonar - 80% 74.8 235 kg HE BOL, SP, 45 knots, 1984 Mk50 Barracuda Mod 0 4 nm Sonar - 80% 45 340 kg HE BOL, SP, 60 knots, 1991 Mk54 LHT Mod 0 5 nm Sonar - 85% 74.8 225 kg HE BOL, SP, 45 knots, 2005 Mk54 HAAWC Mod 0 20 nm Comm - - - 276 kg BOL, Glide Bomb, 2017 omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Nov 6, 2017 |
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Here's Part 2 of my weapons compendium, Russian editions. It looks like part 3 will also include all the Bote missiles as well as all the SAMs. Also, I've update part 1 to include the two or three French weapons we're ever going to care about. As a note, apparently the Russian REALLY like rockets. Guidance Abbreviations None: Unguided IR: Infrared Heat Seeker Laser: Laser designated Semi: Semi-active radar Radar: Internal Radar guided ARH: Anti-Radiation Homing TV: Camera remote controlled GPS: Global Positioning System INS: Internal Navigation System, works when the GPS is debris Comm: Command guidance, wire or radio Damage Abbreviations Frag: Fragmentation HE: High Explosive AP: Armor Piercing SAP: Semi-Armor Piercing Pen: Penetrating (anti-runway use as far as I can tell) HTP: Hard Target Penetrating SC: Shaped Charge Property Abbreviations HoJ: Home On Jamming BOL: Bearing Only Launch TF: Terrain Following SP: Search Pattern Pre-Set: Pre-Briefed target only Pop-Up: Terminal attack pattern is Pop-up Random: Terminal attack pattern is Random Re-Attack: Re-Attack capability Memory: ARH Target memory HOF: High Off Bore launching LOAL: Lock-On After Launch RUSSIAN UNPOWERED GROUND ATTACK MUNITIONS 100 kg bombs pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties FAB-100M-62 1 nm none 50m 99% 67.5 100 kg HE - OFAB-100-120 Frag 1 nm none 50m 99% 67.5 136 kg HE - pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties FAB-250M-54 1 nm none 50m 99% 97 236 kg HE - FAB-250M-62 1 nm none 50m 99% 150 227 kg HE - OFAB-250-270 Frag 1 nm none 50m 99% 132 268 kg HE - pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties FAB-500M-46 1 nm none 50m 99% 201 483 kg HE - FAB-500M-54 1 nm none 50m 99% 319 500 kg HE - KAB-500Kr 2 nm TV 4m 75% 201 560 kg HE - KAB-500L 2 nm Laser 4m 75% 201 534 kg HE - pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties FAB-1500M-54 1 nm none 50m 99% 667 1392 kg HE - KAB-1500Kr 2 nm TV 4m 75% 667 1525 kg HE - KAB-1500Kr-Pr 2 nm TV 4m 75% 667 1560 kg HTP - KAB-1500L-F 2 nm Laser 4m 75% 667 1560 kg HE - KAB-1500L-Pr 2 nm laser 4m 75% 667 1560 kg HTP - Cluster bombs pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties RBK-250-PTAB 1 nm none 50m 99% c30 275 kg SC - RBK-500-PTAB 1 nm none 50m 99% c268 427 kg SC - BetAB-500SP 1 nm none 50m 99% c262 480 kg Pen - RBK-500-ZAB 1 nm none 50m 99% c200 435 kg Napalm RUSSIAN POWERED GROUND ATTACK MUNITIONS Rockets pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties S-5K 57mm Rocket 2 nm none 20m 99% .35 4 kg SC - S-80 80mm Rocket 2 nm none 20m 99% .9 11 kg SC - S-13B 122mm Rocket 2 nm none 20m 99% 1.9 60 kg HTP - S-24B 240mm Rocket 2 nm none 20m 99% 123? 235 kg HE - S-25O 266mm Rocket 2 nm none 20m 99% 150? 380 kg HE - RS-82 (TRS-82) Rocket 2 nm none 80m 99% 8 11 kg HE - S-21 (ARS-212) Rocket 2 nm none 80m 99% 20 400 kg HE - Air to Ground Missiles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AS-7 Kerry 3 nm Comm 10m 85% 110 287 kg HE - AS-10 Karen 6 nm Laser 4m 85% 110 300 kg HE - AS-14 Kedge 6 nm Laser 4m 85% 250 660 kg SAP - AS-14 Kedge 6 nm TV 4m 85% 250 660 kg SAP - AS-13 Kingbolt 35 nm TV 3m 85% 150 760 kg HE - AS-18 Kazoo A 60 nm TV 2m 85% 320 930 kg HE TF Air to Ship Missiles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AS-18 Kazoo B 60 nm Radar 2m 85% 320 930 kg SAP HoJ, TF, Pop-Up AS-17 Krypton A 60 nm Radar 5m 85% 90 600 kg SAP HoJ, BoL, SP, Zig-Zag AS-17 Krypton B 110 nm Radar 5m 85% 90 650 kg SAP HoJ, BoL, SP, Zig-Zag AS-20 Kayak 140 nm Radar 4m 85% 145 520 kg SAP HoJ, TF, BoL, SP, Pop, Re-A Anti Radiation Missiles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AS-12 Kegler [Kh-25MP] 20 nm ARH 4m 85% 90 320 kg HE - AS-12 Kegler [Kh-27MP] 70 nm ARH 4m 85% 90 320 kg HE - AS-11 Kilter 60 nm ARH 5m 85% 150 640 kg HE - AS-17 Krypton C 60 nm ARH 5m 85% 90 600 kg HE BoL, Memory AS-9 Kyle 65 nm ARH 10m 85% 140 715 kg HE BoL, Memory AS-17 Krypton D 110 nm ARH 5m 85% 90 650 kg HE BoL, Memory RUSSIAN AIR TO AIR MISSILES pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AA-1a Alkali M.2 4nm Semi - 45% 4.38 83 kg Frag - AA-2a Atoll 4nm IR - 45% 3.99 75 kg Frag - AA-2c Adv Atoll 4nm IR - 50% 3.99 88 kg Frag - AA-3 Anab C 10nm Semi - 50% 14 292 kg Frag - AA-3 Anab D 10nm IR - 50% 14 272 kg Frag - AA-3 Adv Anab E 10nm Semi - 55% 14 292 kg Frag - AA-3 Adv Anab F 10nm IR - 55% 14 272 kg Frag - AA-7 Apex C 24 nm Semi - 70% 12.2 243 kg Frag - AA-7 Apex D 24 nm IR - 70% 12.2 235 kg Frag - AA-5 Ash C 30 nm Semi - 60% 14 480 kg Frag - AA-5 Ash D 30 nm IR - 60% 14 493 kg Frag - AA-6 Acrid E 45 nm Semi - 75% 24.5 461 kg Frag - AA-6 Acrid F 45 nm IR - 75% 24.5 450 kg Frag - RUSSIAN AIR TO AIR MISSILES ACTUALLY WORTH USING Short Range Air to Air Missiles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AA-8 Aphid 5nm IR - 80% 1.22 45 kg Frag - AA-11 Archer [R-73] 10nm IR - 95% 2.62 105 kg Frag HOB AA-11 Archer [R-73M] 10nm IR - 95% 2.62 105 kg Frag HOB, LOAL AA-11 Archer [R-74] 15nm IR - 95% 2.62 110 kg Frag HOB, LOAL pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AA-7 Apex E 24 nm Semi - 70% 12.2 245 kg Frag - AA-10 Alamo A 45nm Semi - 80% 39 253 kg Frag - AA-10 Alamo B 45nm IR - 80% 39 245 kg Frag LOAL AA-10 Alamo E 45nm ARH - 80% 39 253 kg Frag - AA-12 Adder A 45nm Radar - 80% 7.87 175 kg Frag HoJ AA-12 Adder B 60nm Radar - 80% 7.87 175 kg Frag HoJ AA-10 Alamo C 70nm Semi - 80% 39 350 kg Frag - AA-10 Alamo D 70nm IR - 80% 39 343 kg Frag LOAL AA-10 Alamo F 70nm ARH - 80% 39 350 kg Frag HoJ pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type Properties AA-9 Amos 90 nm IR - 85% 14 490 kg Frag - AA-13 Arrow 160 nm Radar - 85% 21 600 kg Frag HoJ omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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May 27, 2017 23:07
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Ok, so here's my quick thoughts on general operations. First off, the expected opposition is going to be WAY less than what we were seeing in Angola, so we won't need as heavy an AA load. This means that the Gripens can make do with the "standard" intercept loadout, and have a patrol range of 485 nm. Their going to be paired of up the 16's for general patrol duty, who have between 400-500 nm with paired AIM-120Cs AND at between 2-4 guided AtG munitions. The AMX's, Mirages, and Kfirs can cover light bomb duty, all being able to throw at least two LGBs. I don't think Iceberg are going to be able to squeeze any noteworthy AA systems onto their fishing boats, and it would be a major waist to use an ASM on a trawler. That being said, if Iceberg or the Natives do manage to field a naval presence worth a drat, we should have the Tornado's on stand by with Sea Eagles, but it's extremely unlikely we'll need send more than 4 of them up at a time. If we do run into a decent land based SAM system, the F-16's can drop paired AGM-88Bs, and I think we can agree is superior to the Prowler's single 88C. The Phantoms and the Prowler are to stay on the ground unless specifically called for. They're hanger queens, and we'll have plenty or notice if we need them. The Atlantique and the Reaper will be our primary eyes out at sea. The Argus can't do visual inspections, so it will stay in it's usual overwatch position inside our territory. Crazycryodude posted:On an unrelated note, in the Discord we've done some thinking, and I'm pretty sure that we've decided to buy Crete. omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 02:54 on May 28, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 02:17
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I just realized that the F-16's can carry the DWS.39, which is a Bk 90 with anti-runway submunitions. This makes them strictly better than the Durandal, which we only have on the AMXs. Considering that those the Durandals were the only thing worth keeping those birds for, they have truly out lived their usefulness. The only REAL virtue to the AMX is the rock bottom operating cost, less than $1K per flight hour. Sadly, this is a mechanic that was dropped from the LP due to over complexity, near irrelevance, and being plain boring. It's in character for mercs to use them, but they're distinctly second tier military assets. Still better than the Hawk 209 though.
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May 28, 2017 04:23
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sparkmaster posted:The AMX's can still rock a pair of JDAMs. In the relatively permissive environment we've flown in so far, anything that can haul guided munitions has a place in HG, especially aircraft with such low costs. Only a pair of 1000 lbs, and the 16's can carry four 1000 lbs or two 2000 lbs in addition to sensory/targeting pods. omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 04:49 on May 28, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 04:43
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sparkmaster posted:Well sure, but having the pair of AMX's up is 4 more JDAMs we can drop that we couldn't if we didn't have the AMX's. The more bombs we can drop on a mission, the better. We shouldn't be ditching any aircraft that can drop guided munitions unless we can replace it with something better. We just DID procurement, when else could we replace them then?
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May 28, 2017 06:09
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Crazycryodude posted:Nothing? They're an extra couple bombs trucked to where they need to go for dirt cheap operating costs. Unless we get capped on how many planes we can own, there's no reason to get rid of them. Operating costs have been removed. They didn't add anything to the LP, and were tedious and unfun.
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May 28, 2017 06:23
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I consider keeping them and the Mirages to not be worth the opportunity cost of whatever we could get in the middle of the campaign. In a strictly immersive sense, I consider keeping the Phantoms to be a dubious as well. Their maintenance requirement have to be completely obscene considering the age of their air frame. Yes, they the pinnacle of "merc atmosphere", but in the real world jets suffer terribly from age and use. They physically can't pull the G's they used to. And then there's the problem of long out of production engines and the fact that the original stores were never particularly large compared to the overall size of the air fleet in the first place. Just about everything original has been burned through by now. They still work fine in game though.
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May 28, 2017 07:30
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Kitfox88 posted:They're perfectly acceptable bomb trucks to send to secondary objectives or places where poo poo might be risky and we don't want to throw one of our premier workhorses. Wouldn't send them us against anything nastier than an SA-17 though. EDIT: Working on a fluff piece to explain how we move our fighters from theater to theater. If features Wacky Wally, "opportunistic acquisitions" from an ill prepared and overworked military scrapyard, and a bote that he REALLY needed to get rid of. "I'd say this was something that fell off the back of a truck, but let's be honest here. This literally the sort of thing that truck fall off of." omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 07:57 on May 28, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 07:39
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And here we have part 3. I may or may not add cannons at some point, put it's not really relevant to the LP. Guidance Abbreviations None: Unguided IR: Infrared Heat Seeker Laser: Laser designated Semi: Semi-active radar Radar: Internal Radar guided ARH: Anti-Radiation Homing TV: Camera remote controlled GPS: Global Positioning System INS: Internal Navigation System, works when the GPS is debris Comm: Command guidance, wire or radio Damage Abbreviations Frag: Fragmentation HE: High Explosive AP: Armor Piercing SAP: Semi-Armor Piercing HTP: Hard Target Penetrating SC: Shaped Charge Property Abbreviations HoJ: Home On Jamming BOL: Bearing Only Launch TF: Terrain Following SP: Search Pattern Pre-Set: Pre-Briefed target only Pop-Up: Terminal attack pattern is Pop-up Random: Terminal attack pattern is Random Re-Attack: Re-Attack capability Memory: ARH Target memory HOF: High Off Bore launching LOAL: Lock-On After Launch NATO SAMs MANPADS Section: 3 teams pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties FIM-92F Stinger RMP: 3 nm IR - 65% 1.05 15 kg Frag 5 2 - Starstreak II 4 nm IR - 75% 0.94 20 kg Frag 5 2 British RB 70 Bolide 8 nm S-L - 65% 0.38 15 kg Frag 5 2 Swedish Vehicle Platoon: 3 launchers pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties MIM-77G Chaparral 4.5 nm IR - 65% 4.38 87 kg Frag, 5 4 - RB 98 IRIS-T SLS 6 nm IR - 95% 3.99 87 kg Frag, 2 4 German Tamir [Iron Dome] 8 nm Radar - 95% 4.38 90 kg Frag, 2 20 HoJ, Israeli MIM-120B NASAMS: 16 nm Radar - 85% 2.7 154 kg Frag, 6 6 HoJ, Norwegian MIM-120C-7 NASAMS: 20 nm Radar - 95% 2.7 154 kg Frag, 6 6 HoJ, Norwegian Battery: 6 launchers pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties MIM-23E/P I-HAWK ELM: 22 nm Semi - 70% 19.6 635 kg Frag 3 3 - MIM-23K I-HAWK ELM: 22 nm Semi - 75% 19.6 635 kg Frag 3 3 - MIM-104F PAC-3 ERINT 40nm Radar - 95% 1 320 kg AP 2 8 HoJ MIM-104B Patriot 55nm Semi - 85% 31.8 900 kg Frag 2 4 - MIM-104D Patriot GEM 55nm Semi - 90% 29.4 900 kg Frag 2 4 - MIM-104E GEM+ 55nm Semi - 95% 29.4 900 kg Frag 2 4 - MIM-104F PAC-3 MSE 40nm Radar - 95% 1 320 kg AP 2 8 HoJ Oddball Unites: varies pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties Python 6 SPYDER-MR (2) 10 nm IR - 95% 3.99 105 kg Frag 2 8 HOB, Israeli Akash(4) 15 nm Semi - 70% 19.6 720 kg Frag 2 3 Indian, Complete poo poo Derby SPYDER-MR (2) 18 nm Radar - 95% 4.38 118 kg Frag 2 8 HoJ, Israeli Aster 30 SAAM-FR (4) 60 nm Radar - 95% 13.6 450 kg Frag 2 9 HoJ, LOAL, French USSR SAMs MANPADS Section: 3 teams pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties SA-14 Gremlin 3 nm IR - 45% 0.38 11 kg Frag 5 2 - SA-16 Gimlet 3 nm IR - 50% 0.7 11 kg Frag 5 2 - SA-18 Grouse 3 nm IR - 50% 0.88 11 kg Frag 5 2 - Vehicle Platoon: 2 vehicles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties SA-13 Gopher 4 nm IR - 45% 1.75 42 kg Frag 5 8 - SA-19 Grisom 4 nm Semi - 70% 3.15 60 kg Frag 2 8 - SA-15a Gauntlet 9 nm Semi - 80% 5.25 167 kg Frag 2 8 - Buk Platoon: 3 vehicles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties SA-11 Gadfly 25 nm Semi - 75% 24.5 685 kg Frag 5 4 - S-300P- Battery: 6 launchers, choice pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties SA-10a Grumble 40 nm Semi - 75% 45.5 1480 kg Frag 2 4 - SA-10b Grumble 50 nm Semi - 80% 45.5 1470 kg Frag 2 4 - S-300V Battery: 4 launchers, 2 of each pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties SA-12a Gladiator 45 nm Semi - 80% 150 3490 kg Frag 2 4 - SA-12b Giant 60 nm Semi - 80% 150 5805 kg Frag 2 2 - MANPADS Section: 3 teams pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties SA-24 Grouse 3 nm IR - 50% 0.88 12 kg Frag 5 2 - SA-25 Verba 3.5 nm IR - 50% 0.88 12 kg Frag 5 2 - Vehicle Platoon: 2 vehicles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties SA-13 Gopher 4 nm IR - 45% 1.75 42 kg Frag 5 8 - SA-15e Gauntlet 9 nm Semi - 80% 5.25 167 kg Frag 2 16 - SA-22 Greyhound 10 nm Semi - 70% 7 90 kg Frag 2 12 - Buk Platoon: 3 vehicles pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties SA-17 Grizzly 40 nm Semi - 80% 24.5 720 kg Frag 3 8 - S-300PM-1 Battery: 6 launchers, choice pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties SA-20a Gargoyle 80 nm Semi - 80% 52.5 1780 kg Frag 2 4 - SA-20b Gargoyle 110 nm Semi - 80% 52.5 1800 kg Frag 2 4 - S-300V4 Battery: 4 launchers, have both pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties SA-23a Gladiator 80 nm Semi - 80% 150 3490 kg Frag 2 4 - SA-23b Giant 120 nm Semi - 80% 150 5805 kg Frag 2 2 - S-400 Battery: 8 launchers, choice. Also excuse me if I find the missile weights WAY too low. pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Weight Type RoF Shots Properties SA-21a Growler 135 nm Semi - 80% 123 1800 kg Frag 2 4 - SA-21b Growler 215 nm Radar - 80% 43 1800 kg Frag 2 4 HoJ Both of the 10 nm will have been in service for several years by the time of the LP. pre:Name Range Guide CEP PK Dam Type RoF Shots Properties HELLADS 10 kw 3nm Laser - 90% 2.4 Laser 7 100 - HELLADS 60 kw 4nm Laser - 90% 2.4 Laser 7 100 - LaWS 10 nm Laser - 90% 2.4 Laser 15 100 - Tamir [Iron Beam] 10 nm Laser - 90% 2.4 Laser 15 100 Israeli omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Jun 11, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 11:02
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Groggy nard posted:I would like to restate my declaration to vote for a laser bote. Good luck with that. The Iron Beam is Israeli, and best of luck getting a set out of them. The LaWS is USN, and I think they would pay particularly close attention to ships that have it installed. The damage and refire rate are rather lovely against jets, but handle the anti-ordinance role just fine. I'd rather get another I-HAWK battery as well as an Iron Dome set before we do a lot of branching out.
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May 28, 2017 11:17
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Yooper posted:I have returned and the mosquito's did not carry us away. I'll count votes later this afternoon and we'll get into mission planning. Part 2 of my weapon compendium is on page 212.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Does not compute. You have to think about the dog's health too you know. Can't feed to her too much, she'd get fat.
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