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WhyteRyce posted:Ah poo poo I accidentally bought the non-Japanese Vega am I screwed I expected a video card but instead I got a muscly acrobatic spaniard with claw hands!!!
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That is interesting. My aging Chromebook is running a dual-core Celeron which got slightly gimped by Hyperthreading getting disabled due to Intel's security vulnerabilities. A Ryzen-based Chromebook seems like it could work nicely.
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derBauer looks at the cache of an AMD and Intel CPU with an electron microscope and reminds us that the silicon process node names do not directly reflect the size of the features of the semi-conductors. Neat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kQUXpZpLXI
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wargames posted:I hope its AM5. I've read that Ryzen 4000 will still be AM4, and compatible with many earlier chipsets, and that AM5 is planned to roll out with Ryzen 5000.
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Zen 3, which is presumably what's going to be announced in October, will still be on the AM4 platform. The entire "scandal" earlier this year was even about whether older motherboards would be allowed to support Zen 3 via BIOS update, with AMD eventually drawing the line at B450 being allowed to, but everything else not, and obliging people to get B550 / X570 / A520 to guarantee support for Zen 3 (but also, that such boards will not support anything older than Zen 2). The other rumor is that Zen 3 will cause a revamp in the naming scheme, such that Zen 3-based CPUs, APUs, and mobile chips will all be "Ryzen 5000", in order to reconcile the currently out-of-step naming scheme that developed after there wasn't a 1000-series APU / mobile line.
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So, I'll be fine upgrading with a X470 mobo? 
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Klaaz posted:So, I'll be fine upgrading with a X470 mobo? Probably will just need a BIOS update.
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Klaaz posted:So, I'll be fine upgrading with a X470 mobo? https://www.anandtech.com/show/15807/amd-to-support-zen-3-and-ryzen-4000-cpus-on-b450-and-x470-motherboards you'll need to update the BIOS, but yes, an X470 motherboard should (eventually) be able to run with a Zen 3 / Ryzen 5000 CPU
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Remember things like the B450 Tomahawk had BIOS size issues already. It was corrected with the Max board but that's a different motherboard. There might be similar issues adding even more CPUs to support to the list. I wouldn't purchase a board that the manufacturer hasn't confirmed they plan on supporting 4000 on if that is your goal.
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K8.0 posted:Someone at AMD looked at the Street Fighter US/Japan names and decided that their graphics products needed the same level of confusion.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://www.anandtech.com/show/15807/amd-to-support-zen-3-and-ryzen-4000-cpus-on-b450-and-x470-motherboards Caveat that ASUS doesn't seem to be supporting X470 and Zen 3.
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Great, I've got a MSI X470 Gaming Pro Max. Guess I'm good then!
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Leaks are starting in earnest. You can always tell when the board partners get their validation parts! https://twitter.com/tum_apisak/status/1310793433578053632?s=21 e: KEEP YOUR EXPECTATIONS DOWN.... but wowzer https://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/1310796311017345025 Cygni fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Forget performance numbers, 5xxx series it is! Why is naming chips so loving hard?
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movax posted:Forget performance numbers, 5xxx series it is! 4xxx already exists though? Just because they’re not interesting for leet gaming rigs doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Same thing happened with the i7 5xxx series, Broadwell.
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It's a marketing thing. March 2017 - AMD makes first-gen Ryzen CPUs, calls them the 1000 series. By Feb of 2018, they're ready to launch the Ryzen APUs, which are still on Zen 1 architecture, but they know they're going to be releasing Zen+ (like the Ryzen 7 2700X) two months later, so they don't want to name the APUs the 1000 series, because it's no longer "the latest", so they call the APU the 2200G, even if it's Zen 1. The same thing happens to the mobile chips: The Ryzen 5 2500U is Zen 1, but it's in the "2000" series because the 1000 series already happened six months before this release and they don't want to use that name anymore. By now they're unifying it because AM4 has supported so many CPUs that the segmentation that they're trying to pull with A520/B550/X570 is getting to be confusing: if you buy a B550 board, it's going to brag about being capable out-of-the-box for Ryzen 3000 (which is Zen 2), but has to have an asterisk that Ryzen 3 3200G/Ryzen 5 3400G doesn't count, since they're on Zen+ despite being named part of the 3000 series. This is also the best time to unify the naming convention, since the only consumer-facing product in the 4000 series are the Zen 2 mobile processors. No CPUs, and the APUs are only available to OEMs. ___ Gamers Nexus had a similar segment a while back about how the Intel 10th-gen release on desktops had a somewhat similar marketing problem because the LGA1200 motherboards (H410 / B460 / Z490) didn't support PCIe 4.0 - this is not something that you're ever really going to need unless you've got a top-of-the-line NVMe drive and a use-case to match, but still, PCIe 4.0 is one higher than PCIe 3.0, and if AMD motherboards/CPUs support 4.0 and you don't, then that's something that marketing can sucker people into thinking is Better Than. Another example they brought up is how there's a line of B550-A motherboards, which were functionally identical to B450 motherboards, and actually aren't as capable as "real" B550 motherboards, but AMD's board partners demanded that they come out with something because they didn't want to keep selling B450 motherboards anymore since it was no longer the latest/highest number from their previous releases.
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And don’t get me started on “Core i7”, the name actually made sense, it was supposed to mean that it was the successor to the P6/i686 line, basically shorthand for i786. Until marketing hosed that up, of course.
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At least the desktop parts had a usually consistent pattern (i3 = 2C/4T, i5 = 4C/4T, i7 = 4C/8T), what annoyed me was the laptop parts seemingly had no pattern.
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Laptop parts were "i7 = pay significantly more for a tiny clock bump that the CPU couldn't run for long because of thermal limits, sucker!" for a long time and it was great.
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Laslow posted:And don’t get me started on “Core i7”, the name actually made sense, it was supposed to mean that it was the successor to the P6/i686 line, basically shorthand for i786. Until marketing hosed that up, of course. Wow, I had no idea, that's actually really cool. How many iX86-generations have been after that?
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The Ryzen (Zen 2) auto overclocker from 1usmus of the dram calculator drops 7pm Eastern https://mobile.twitter.com/1usmus/status/1310526652758274051
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Jeff Fatwood posted:Wow, I had no idea, that's actually really cool. How many iX86-generations have been after that? Hard to tell, really. I guess you could make an argument that if Nehalem/Westmere = 786, then *Bridge = 886, *Well = 986 and *Lake = 1086. But the whole thing ignores that Pentium 4 would have been 786, before they went back to 686 for the pre-i7 Cores. So...  Edit: I think the problem you run into in trying to figure this out is how big a change to the microarchitecture justifies an x86 generation increase anyway? IIRC there was a bigger difference between Core 2 and the "686" Core than there is between Core 2 and original i7 Nehalem. Theris fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Theris posted:Edit: I think the problem you run into in trying to figure this out is how big a change to the microarchitecture justifies an x86 generation increase anyway? IIRC there was a bigger difference between Core 2 and the "686" Core than there is between Core 2 and original i7 Nehalem. Although it’s still called i686 for 32 bit builds of most open source software. It’s just “x86-64” or even AMD64 for the 64-bit builds, “x64” in the case of Microsoft, to differentiate itself from “64 Bit Edition” which was the Itanium builds of Windows. Got it? Good.
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Cygni posted:Leaks are starting in earnest. You can always tell when the board partners get their validation parts! And there will be a 5900X and 5950X above that but Intel doesn't have an i10 and i11 to compete with those that I know of... 
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drat Dirty Ape posted:So how good is AMD at keeping new stuff actually in stock? pretty ok if you're buying servers and it's not week 0. no idea on desktops since i always wait a couple months for the windows bugs to be ironed out lol
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sean10mm posted:And there will be a 5900X and 5950X above that but Intel doesn't have an i10 and i11 to compete with those that I know of... If the last gen is anything to go by, the 5900x will score exactly the same  The improvement over 3800X is encouraging but AoS is kind of a weird bench and the AMD vs Intel comparison is probably not worth looking into just yet.
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How good is anyone at keeping anything in stock these days? PSUs, cases people want to buy? Global supply chain is still turbofucked.
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drat Dirty Ape posted:So how good is AMD at keeping new stuff actually in stock?
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Expect demand to be slammed when Zen 3 releases, but it doesn't necessarily mean a paper launch: there's just way too many people buying cool new hardware nowadays.
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Quaint Quail Quilt posted:The Ryzen (Zen 2) auto overclocker from 1usmus of the dram calculator drops 7pm Eastern What are the "Addition Tweaks"?
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drat Dirty Ape posted:So how good is AMD at keeping new stuff actually in stock? I'd expect great stock for zen3, but there might also be great demand which can offset the stock. It's also unclear how much the pandemic disrupted them. Instead of trying to push some gimmicky release date they seem to have pushed back the launch to a comfortable date this time. Khorne fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Not that I need to since my X370 Taichi is handling my 3900X just fine but hypothetically what would be the best mid-range X570 board with wifi/bluetooth?
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8-bit Miniboss posted:Not that I need to since my X370 Taichi is handling my 3900X just fine but hypothetically what would be the best mid-range X570 board with wifi/bluetooth? According to Buildzoid as of like 6 months ago the Gigabyte Aorus Pro Wifi and a few models right in that area have disgustingly good VRM setups.
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redeyes posted:According to Buildzoid as of like 6 months ago the Gigabyte Aorus Pro Wifi and a few models right in that area have disgustingly good VRM setups. X570 Tomahawk WiFi is real good IIRC and like $220 MSRP. It tends to go in & out of stock though.
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redeyes posted:According to Buildzoid as of like 6 months ago the Gigabyte Aorus Pro Wifi and a few models right in that area have disgustingly good VRM setups. sean10mm posted:X570 Tomahawk WiFi is real good IIRC and like $220 MSRP. It tends to go in & out of stock though. Khorne fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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redeyes posted:According to Buildzoid as of like 6 months ago the Gigabyte Aorus Pro Wifi and a few models right in that area have disgustingly good VRM setups. sean10mm posted:X570 Tomahawk WiFi is real good IIRC and like $220 MSRP. It tends to go in & out of stock though. Cool, that’s what my brief research led me to with the Tomahawk in the lead. Thanks!
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