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exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Uh I hate Zionism as much as the next guy, but the province was Judea at the time, it was renamed by Hadrian in the 2nd century as he kicked the Jews out and renamed the province after the ancestral enemies of the Jews and also the Roman God.

There is far more evidence for the Jewish Diaspora than there is for some dude named Jesus.

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exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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christmas boots posted:

The hot take is that an official twitter account of Israel is positing that Jesus is the Son of God which, if you'll pardon the phrase, isn't exactly kosher.

It's fine if the point of your Twitter account is to influence Americans

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Idgi. Where is the hot take. I like syndicalism, Marx was right but not about everything ever.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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He also hosed up his stupid qanon hashtag, so let's not hold him to too high a standard

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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flashy_mcflash posted:

He studied the blade.

Yeah, the razorblade

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Kitfox88 posted:

man the hapsburgs must have been inverse Catholics then

Nah they were big into uncle niece marriages that's fine right

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Which is fine, fully automated luxury gay space communism will have a place for cheating spouses

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Lenin was a stooge for imperial Germany to remove Russia from the war. He set back the cause of socialism 100 years. I have very little sympathy.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Ok forgive me as a foreigner, which party is he talking about? I read about and saw photos of postal infrastructure being removed, us post is run by exec branch and headed by presidential appointee right? Can someone tell me if this is real? I'm honestly don't know who to trust at this point. It seems so blatantly obvious I didn't think even Trump would try it

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

Bigotry isn't a belief system. It's a hobby, a form of escapism and leisure. The Klan started dressing up as 'ghosts' as a joke as they terrorised and murdered black people.

The KKK robes are so obviously purposed to maximize dehumanization of its members. With their faces covered, each member just a uniform in the crowd, each person can rationalize their participation in inhuman act. They are merely members of the group, individual acts unattributable to the people you see in church on Sunday. This is the main purpose of a uniform, just like those cops wearing riot gear

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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scary ghost dog posted:

im also completely exhausted with reading how the libs are just as bad as the republicans

Mostly because they are ALL libs

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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scary ghost dog posted:

enough of the southparkian bothsiderisms

Dems are libs. Republicans are libs. Every politician in the 2 party system in the entire history of the US have been classical liberals, or neo-liberals

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Not So Fast posted:

This was a much better take on this tbh.

https://twitter.com/merrickdeville/status/1298998869662093312?s=19

The whole point of historical revolutions tend to be that they're completely avoidable if the ruling class wasn't such greedy dipshits. But it's not guaranteed you'll get what you want out of a revolution either. I don't think this generation has a Lenin.

Yeah, you shouldn't want violent revolution. But if things keep going this way then it is inevitable.

And I don't want another Lenin. We can't repeat the past, especially as 1917 Russia is a very different society to present day western societies.

Also I'll say it again: Lenin was a stooge of Imperial Germany. It's not that he did no good, but who owned the train from Switzerland to St Petersburg?

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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CharlestheHammer posted:

he wasn’t a stooge in any sense. Getmany used him for their own ends but there is zero evudence Lenin was influenced by Germany which is sort of important

I should have said he was used as a stooge, which is pretty undeniable. Dan Carlin has a good podcast about it, even tho he is a classical liberal. He paywalls his older episodes so I can't link it.

The main problem is that Russia was never going to be a good place to start the international revolution. Communism requires an industrialized economy and is not that good at transitioning from a mostly agricultural economy.

I guess I have been playing too much Kaiserreich

Edit: Germany achieved its aims when Lenin signed the Treaty of Brest. The economic hardship suffered by Russia led directly to Stalin, and while how Stalin benefitted the Soviet Union can be argued, it definitely was not good for the image of socialism in the western world.

exmachina has issued a correction as of 00:43 on Nov 2, 2020

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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CharlestheHammer posted:

I refuse to listen to dan Carlin he sucks.

well he could be fine but the dude needs an editor bad

Agreed, although I would say he has a inflection which puts me to sleep real well.

He is also great for finding arguments which appeal to libs, because even as a lib himself he can see the systemic problems with late-stage capitalism

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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LastInLine posted:

This is certainly true.

Now please excuse me while I take a huge sip of coffee while reading about which country is the manufacturing center of the world and who it was who industrialized it.

Because the transition was pretty hard and only truly became successful after some pretty hefty ideological compromises

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Cerebral Bore posted:

i can already tell that you have no earthly idea what you're talking about, but don't you find it slightly curious that the only third-world countries that actually managed to industrialize successfully without massive outside aid are the communist ones and Japan?

Singapore as a counter-example? Taiwan as well but that is for geopolitical reasons

Yeah I don't know poo poo, as opposed to every other poster in this thread, I guess

And also Marx himself, who based his theory around the what we would now call 1st world proletariat.

I have never said that China wasn't an example of a Marxist-Leninist(-Maoist) success story but industrialization of both the Soviet Union and the PRC did not go smoothly.

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exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Hodgepodge posted:

as it turns out, it's incredibly good at transitioning from an industrial to urban economy which is why russia and china were able to do it with the entire rest of the world save a scattered handful of the least powerful out to destroy them from well before day 1

like keysnianism was a thing because capitalism needed a credible way to account for the success of communism at that specific thing

e: not to poo poo on you though it's just there are lots of little propaganda landmines scattered throughout the mind of even people who have been generally on board with the idea for most of their lives

Yeah we are all here just poo poo posting, I have no formal education in the subject and I probably do have those landmines you spoke about.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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I don't see what is wrong with the first tweet there. Spices were only affordable by the wealthy in most places.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Where the hell is a 18th century agricultural or factory worker in Britain gonna get some cayenne pepper? They used the flavours they had available, like you can make some hearty soups and stews using aromatic vegetables and meat scraps but it will taste bland to the modern palette.

Now if you are criticising white people for having an unadventurous palate that is something different.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Internet Wizard posted:

Because you can just go to Krogers and buy a year’s supply of spices for $5 now, there’s no excuse for continuing to make bland food in the 21st century like you’re still some feudal peasant that hasn’t even heard of The Orient

Yeah but the tweet referenced not "white people" but "white food" which I took to mean traditional European staples, but I can see how it can be interpreted both ways

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Finno-Korean hyperwar

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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V. Illych L. posted:

upon investigation the lady seems bonkers and is claiming trolling

Is she vegan?

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Well they aren't really providing value for money, are they?

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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I don't really see where he is wrong tho. The Maga crowd are the brownshirts, the ones who supported NSDAP under Drexler. They are angry for the same reasons we are angry, their anger is being used towards the wrong ends.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Probably not if you ask them, no, but I think it is just perverted alienation

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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coathat posted:

Yes we should reach out and build common ground with the people who's most important priority is donald trump being the president. They're very close to joining the DSA.

No but they are not the actual enemy. They are the pawns and we need to concentrate on the pieces on the board.

Every time anti-fascist or counter-reactionarys have to go out on the street to fight against the latest bullshit, the real enemies laugh. I'm not saying we don't do it, we have to do it. I'm saying know that beating these people gives us no material gain.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Peanut President posted:

don't know a lot of blue collar folks with private jets

Yes, that is my point, anybody with a private jet is guilty until proven innocent

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Who said we have to make common ground? All I said was that these guys aren't the real enemy

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Lol these guys aren't Waffen SS they are SA at loving best. And yes, you can beat SS troops all day and night but unless you invade Berlin nothing will change

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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The funniest thing about these nazi-loving fucks is they have to know what happened to Rohm, and the same thing will happen to them if they bundle a real, competent fascist into power

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Platystemon posted:

By the time the Soviets got to Berlin, it was “defended” by boys and old men because it turns out that killing Nazi foot soldiers works if done on a grand enough scale.

Not to mention quite satisfying too, I imagine.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Umm, that is an extremely tepid take

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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He was a socialist but not a tankie. So yes, large swathes of C-SPAM are gonna hate him.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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He wrote Burmese Days very early in his career and while it is undoubtedly full of casual and outright racism, he acknowledges the corrupt power structures he his helping to set up and perpetuate for the Empire's interests. He said himself that Burma was a key step in his own radicalisation.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Exalted 2nd edition I think.

The Bone Gnawer gift Stone Soup is far better praxis, btw

exmachina has issued a correction as of 23:32 on Mar 15, 2021

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Isn't it well established that orgs like the CDC didn't want a run on masks while the medical field was still trying to secure stocks for their own use? I'm pretty sure that's what was happening here in NZ where the message stayed that masks were not necessary until at least June.

It is also true that masks are not so good at protecting the wearer and may cause people to engage in riskier behaviour.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Oh yeah it was a massive gently caress up. The business I work for still has procedures from when fomites were the big thing. At the time I knew it was bullshit but you can't supply masks for billions of people overnight and as several of my relatives work in healthcare I know that PPE shortages were a real thing in March to July.

Here in NZ is wasn't that masks were not effective but that they were not necessary

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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It was less noble intent and more blind panic.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

America only needed to supply masks for some 300 million.

Stay with me here, but the USA is not the only country in the world

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exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

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Hedenius posted:

Anything magnetic works. It’s basically copper and aluminum you can’t use.

Can't tilt the pan over induction. Like I can see why you would want to reduce gas hobbs but you can't ban them. TBH I see it getting supported by those who will be grandfathered in in order to increase property prices

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