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They even show the original mirror scene in, what, the first new episode? They wouldn't do that unless there was a reason for it.
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TheMaestroso posted:They even show the original mirror scene in, what, the first new episode? They wouldn't do that unless there was a reason for it. Yes. They also show Booper and BOB sitting next to each other laughing in the same scene. edit: Even the Twin Peaks Wiki says BOB and Booper are two different entities, Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Jun 22, 2017 22:51
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lol Jesus Christ. A literal scene of a formerly good, but now evildoing man's face morphing into the face of an evil spirit who possesses people to make them do evil. What could be going on here? I know, BEEEEEEES
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Jun 22, 2017 22:58
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There's not really an "even" there, the people who edit wikis are the same people debating on forums. Every time someone says Booper, I picture him pushing on someone's stomach and saying "boop".
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Jun 22, 2017 22:59
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You dumb motherfucker, that was obviously a metaphor for hive minds that I was using. No wonder you guys can't read the drat show. Anyway, from David Lynch himself: It seems, though, that the world you’re presenting outside of Twin Peaks is a place gone bad due to the roaming spirit of this evil Cooper. What are we calling this character, by the way? I’m calling him Dirty Cooper. Lynch: I just call him Cooper’s doppelgänger. You’re allowed to call him whatever you want. Source
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Franch why do you keep doing this to yourself? Anyways my interpretation is that BOB is inhabiting Evil Coop. But he's definitely inside of there somewhere, is the main point Escobarbarian fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Jun 22, 2017 23:03
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Escobarbarian posted:Franch why do you keep doing this to yourself? I dunno. I keep thinking some actual worthwhile discussion might occur at some point.
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What the hell? Lynch has gone painstakingly out of his way to establish on more than one occasion that "Cooper's Doppleganger" is a separate entity distinct from BOB, who is currently playing Host to the spirit of BOB. This is made VERY clear in the scene where he is looking in the mirror and his face changes, because during that scene Lynch actually *flashes back* to that shot of the GIF posted early from the season 2 finale, with Coop's Doppleganger and BOB being two distinct entities within the lodge - except unlike a host such as Leland, BOB is more collaborating with Coop's Doppleganger than just using him as a meat-mask to harvest garmonbozia, the way he did with Leland, it seemed. Like in the scene in FWWM when BOB/Leland go into the Lodge where Mike/The Arm (in conjunction with one another) demand their garmonbozia, Leland's face is a blank and he is clearly entirely subservient to the other spirits there. I think BOB and Coop's Doppleganger are much more, uh, sympatico so to speak. At least it seems that way so far. It'd be interesting to see who is stronger at controlling that body when push comes to shove. And yes, I think that BOB is also metaphoric of the sort of moral decay that's inherent in Twin Peaks. Just because BOB is possessing Coop's Doppleganger and they're down in Rio at some ridiculous gangster's hideaway, does not mean BOB doesn't have a relationship with Twin Peaks still, and probably doesn't prevent him from manifesting in various ways. I always thought of it as a bit like Derry and Stephen King's IT, if you've ever read that, The town of Derry is essentially haunted by this murderous creature who feeds every generation or so causing a rash of horrible child-murders, but it's made clear that something is always "wrong" with the town at an intrinsic level because an interdimensional being of pure evil was basically living under the town and drawing out negative energy and bad vibes. I view BOB and the Black Lodge as having a similar relationship to Twin Peaks, even if BOB is possessing someone else and in South America living as a cocaine baron or something.
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Jun 22, 2017 23:22
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Cooper looks in the mirror and says "good, you're still with me". There are not two people in that cell, therefore I think Bob is in Evil Cooper's body.
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Jun 22, 2017 23:23
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Yeah, I take the "with me" in that scene as extremely literal.
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Think of it like you're pushing a cart in the supermarket. In one instance you think you're shopping normally but in actual fact you're sat in the body of the cart staring at the pretty lights above while this other person pushes the cart around knocking over pyramids of soup cans and smashing into the legs of your daughter. That's Leland. In Bdoopermancer's instance he's in full rational control of the shopping cart and BOB is simply sat in that fold out chair bit that's made for kids going "weeeee let's go the garmonbozia aisle" and everyone's happy.
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Jun 22, 2017 23:52
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Oh boy, another cool dude is here to angrily school everyone on obvious context clues thanks to their decades of watching/studying film and television.quote:Most people that are watching the series with me have similar interpretations. 
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Modrasone posted:Think of it like you're pushing a cart in the supermarket. In one instance you think you're shopping normally but in actual fact you're sat in the body of the cart staring at the pretty lights above while this other person pushes the cart around knocking over pyramids of soup cans and smashing into the legs of your daughter. That's Leland. In Bdoopermancer's instance he's in full rational control of the shopping cart and BOB is simply sat in that fold out chair bit that's made for kids going "weeeee let's go the garmonbozia aisle" and everyone's happy. Also, the lettuce talks.
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Escobarbarian posted:I never shouted or called anyone a dumb motherfucker All in good fun, Friend-O. I was saving that GIF for the next really juicy Kaworu post, but his/her posts have been pretty sane lately and the beehive and battery talk got about as big a smile out of me as anything else in the thread so far.
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My crazy theory: Andy is the mysterious billionaire. Apologies if that's come up prior.
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Was the humming in the office the same as the humming in the diner at the end? It's hard to make out with the music playing over it. Is the music supposed to be diagetic in that scene?
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ruddiger posted:Was the humming in the office the same as the humming in the diner at the end? It's hard to make out with the music playing over it. The sounds under the music seem to be similar to the "there's something afoot" music that played when Andy was at the meeting place and the guy didn't show up.
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Jun 23, 2017 04:13
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Did the original series ever explain the horse?
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KillerQueen posted:Did the original series ever explain the horse? It's never been explained! 
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Escobarbarian posted:I never shouted or called anyone a dumb motherfucker I didn't shout, but that was uncalled for. It's frustrating when the whole idea of a thread is to say "Hey, this is my theory on a surreal/absurd mystery show" and for people like skasion to take one word from an example and to act like I think Booper's actually made of bees or some other poo poo. I like Twin Peaks, I have interpretations, but I don't think that I'm more right than other thought-out arguments. I like discussions and hate willfully obtuse people unless they're actually funny NObodyNOWHERE posted:Oh boy, another cool dude is here to angrily school everyone on obvious context clues thanks to their decades of watching/studying film and television. Thank you. I am pretty cool and smart.
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Gravitee posted:My crazy theory: Andy is the mysterious billionaire. He does somehow own a Rolex.
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regulargonzalez posted:He does somehow own a Rolex. I bet it was an anniversary gift. ...For his 25th year working for the police station, I mean, not from Lucy.
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My theory is that "bad" Cooper is actually good Cooper who has been shown his One True Path by the purifying influence of BOB. Dougie is just some random guy who likes doodling and touching badges.
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I think the other copy of the key might still be in the Great Northern, left behind by Cooper/Bob. Maybe next episode we'll get to see what happens (explosion?) when the two are brought together.
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Franchescanado posted:I didn't shout, but that was uncalled for. It's frustrating when the whole idea of a thread is to say "Hey, this is my theory on a surreal/absurd mystery show" and for people like skasion to take one word from an example and to act like I think Booper's actually made of bees or some other poo poo. I like Twin Peaks, I have interpretations, but I don't think that I'm more right than other thought-out arguments. I like discussions and hate willfully obtuse people unless they're actually funny For what it's worth, my point is that you are needlessly overcomplicating a really simple scene with a bunch of stupid blather about hive minds, not that he is made of bees.
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twin peaks revival 2017: not that he is made of bees
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KillerQueen posted:Did the original series ever explain the horse? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyB1_wm17w eSporks fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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It symbolizes death. The horse, I mean. e: Sarah sees the horse before Laura dies and before Maddy dies. Unless you're looking for something deeper? esperterra fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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esperterra posted:It symbolizes death. The horse, I mean. Lynch uses really traditional symbolic language for the most part, yeah. It's not a huge reach.
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It symbolizes other, unrelated horses.
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Jun 23, 2017 07:49
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https://archive.org/details/JackNanceeraserheadUnknownFetishFilmRole Jack Nance was an interesting dude. Edit: this is nws obviously
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Jun 23, 2017 08:27
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Wasn't BOB originally a real dude who lived near little Leland's house?
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They didn't ever confirm that was actually true, I think. Hawk says that nobody lived at that address by the name 'Robertson', then says he'll follow up and see if anybody ever did before the records he found... and I think that's the last we hear of it?
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Under the vegetable posted:https://archive.org/details/JackNanceeraserheadUnknownFetishFilmRole Season three may have a porny FBI agent, but where is porny Pete, huh? RIP Jack Nance.
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Shibawanko posted:Wasn't BOB originally a real dude who lived near little Leland's house?
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Shibawanko posted:Wasn't BOB originally a real dude who lived near little Leland's house? https://youtu.be/MLrwVk7ywqo psychoJ fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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NObodyNOWHERE posted:Oh boy, another cool dude is here to angrily school everyone on obvious context clues thanks to their decades of watching/studying film and television.
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Trip Larsen posted:I like to think that BOB possessed Leland's father periodically, but Leland never made the connection between the two like Laura did. BOB possessing a family over multiple generations is a nice, surreal mirror to the actual occurrence of abusive cycles. Yeah that's exactly how I liked to think of it. BOB is a representation of some old family trauma (abuse, incest) down generations, as abused parents will sometimes abuse their children in the same way. Supposedly BOB was a guy who lived near Leland's grandfather's house. Maybe he simply was Leland's grandfather, and Leland liked to pretend that that part of his grandfather was a different guy so as to repress the experience.
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