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Shonen Waifu
Jun 29, 2003


Coop's Great Northern key reads "Clean place, reasonably priced" on the back.

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Zat
Jan 16, 2008

im a Belieber! posted:

Coop's Great Northern key reads "Clean place, reasonably priced" on the back.

Yeah, because they used merchandise keychains instead of recreating the original one.

Ingmar terdman
Jul 24, 2006

So it's a key fob from the alternate dimension from the final scene (aka the irl)

Why cookie Rocket
Dec 2, 2003

Lemme tell ya 'bout your blood bamboo kid.
It ain't Coca-Cola, it's rice.

Zat posted:

Yeah, because they used merchandise keychains instead of recreating the original one.

Yeah that was a weird choice. But like “Audrey’s Dance” weird. In the new timeline that’s the Great Northern’s slogan, not something that Dale said.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

That Dang Dad
Apr 23, 2003

Well I am
over-fucking-whelmed...
Young Orc

Baloogan posted:

so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

1. Follow your heart
2. Always use the buddy system
3. Friends are family you choose.


That's basically it

And More
Jun 19, 2013

How far, Doctor?
How long have you lived?

Baloogan posted:

so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

Coffee is best with donuts or cherry pie, and even with cigarettes. Green tea latte is also a viable option.


mary had a little clam posted:

1. Follow your heart
2. Always use the buddy system
3. Friends are family you choose.


That's basically it

You know, I think it's cool that there can be so many viable interpretations. That's really the strength of Lynch's work. It can mean different things to different people.

And More fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Oct 25, 2017

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

I've been taking a clean break from the show ever since I watched the final two episodes a couple times and certain parts several times over that week. So it's been, well, maybe a month and a half since I even really thought much about Twin Peaks?

Anyway, I think I'm ready to slowly rewatch this, and I gotta say that these episodes *really* only get better the more you watch them, because they are SO dense, and there is so much to see and to think about and ways that disconnected plot threads near the end seem to reconnect (to some degree) back to aspects of the beginning of the series.

For instance, I had always perceived Episode 3 one way, with Cooper interacting with this strange woman making odd sounds with disturbing cuts/scars where her eyes should be. Now, watching it, I find myself with a number of other questions. Or the fact that when she flips the lever that switches the number from "03" the current episode, to "15" which is when Diane/Eyeless Woman shows up more or less (very end of episode 14) and also when Cooper's consciousness arrives more or less (end of Episode 15 when he sees the Sunset Boulevard scene). I really don't quite think that's a stretch, because we have no other context for the meaning of the numbers beyond being... some kind of nod to the illusory/dreamlike/falseness of the world we see them living in for most of Season 3.

But hey, who the hell knows. If someone has a better theory about the numbers, I'd be thrilled to hear. It really does seem like... coordinates-by-episode, or something. And who is to say it couldn't be that? A grown up Phoebe Augustine (who played Ronette) speaking backwards was also in that room, and I can't make much sense of her appearance as such without kinda throwing the fourth wall out the window. Which was already suggested when we saw the glass box/tv metaphor connected to a window.

I really kinda think that Glass box is sort of the key to understanding Cooper's ghostlike reflection in episode 17. Like he's really been trapped there the whole time in some way, and we're watching the real Cooper looking through the projected images at us. *shrug*

kaworu fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Oct 25, 2017

And More
Jun 19, 2013

How far, Doctor?
How long have you lived?

kaworu posted:

For instance, I had always perceived Episode 3 one way, with Cooper interacting with this strange woman making odd sounds with disturbing cuts/scars where her eyes should be. Now, watching it, I find myself with a number of other questions. Or the fact that when she flips the lever that switches the number from "03" the current episode, to "15" which is when Diane/Eyeless Woman shows up more or less (very end of episode 14) and also when Cooper's consciousness arrives more or less (end of Episode 15 when he sees the Sunset Boulevard scene). I really don't quite think that's a stretch, because we have no other context for the meaning of the numbers beyond being... some kind of nod to the illusory/dreamlike/falseness of the world we see them living in for most of Season 3.

I think there is a hole in this theory. The script was originally much shorter, and even in its final form, it was apparently just a single document. No episode breaks or anything. With that in mind, it really doesn't seem like season three could have elements that reference the number of episodes.

That doesn't mean I disagree with the other stuff you said. The evidence for that particular aspect seems a bit flimsy, though.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Baloogan posted:

so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

https://twitter.com/soalexgoes/status/922695044980764672

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

And More posted:

I think there is a hole in this theory. The script was originally much shorter, and even in its final form, it was apparently just a single document. No episode breaks or anything. With that in mind, it really doesn't seem like season three could have elements that reference the number of episodes.

That doesn't mean I disagree with the other stuff you said. The evidence for that particular aspect seems a bit flimsy, though.

Oh, fair enough - I feel like it's flimsy too. But let's establish a few quick facts that we can empirically deduce from having watched season 3:

The bell-like objects/structure that we see primarily in The Fireman's Dwelling (I hesitate to call it the White Lodge) always seem to be associated with travel - either through space, time, or both. We also see bell-like objects that have other apparatuses connected to them: there is the one used by Philip Jeffries which has a spout that he seemingly uses to communicate with from wherever/whenever he may be - I doubt he's a malformed Lynchian entity just living inside the device but who really knows. The place Cooper finds himself in at the start of Episode 3 also one of these bell-like devices, and we know it is hooked up to the AC/DC outlets in the room below, and functions as a portal.

So we know that these "Machines" as Lynch simply calls them provides the power and the capacity to travel time. We know The Fireman has a lot of them, linked to an intricate system attached to his theater which allows him to seemingly project places from particular/worlds or dimensions and literally transplant people from his dwelling into the real place he projects on the screen. One of the machines even appears on the side of his projection when he does this.

So we know that these "machines" faciliate spatial travel, and even time travel and dimensional travel. It would seem to make sense that the numbers would, then, be coordinates of a sort. But perhaps they refer not to episode numbers (which does seem a bit silly) but various worlds, or dimensions. We know there are more than one. We know time is not linear in many places, such as the ocean/sea of stars where that portal was located seemingly.

Also, it did seem like "Judy" ("Mother") was trying batter the door down and did NOT want Cooper in there. Perhaps that "purple room" is far more significant than we give it credit for.

kaworu fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Oct 25, 2017

Mover
Jun 30, 2008


Baloogan posted:

so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

You can’t end suffering, existence is suffering. You had to change yourself instead.

Breadallelogram
Oct 9, 2012


Mover posted:

You can’t end suffering, existence is suffering. You had to change yourself instead.

fix your hearts or die

Volte
Oct 4, 2004

woosh woosh
Lynch is always a bit cheeky about the fact that it's a TV show, so I do kind of like the idea that the numbers are episode numbers. The numbers could have been added after the cutting up. There's clearly a lot of CGI work in that scene, so maybe the numbers themselves are CGI.

For another example, in episode 2 when Mr. C is in the motel room, he's typing gibberish into a bizarre program on a modern laptop that has weird analogue visual glitches and when he turns it off, it sounds like he turns the knob of a 1970s TV. There's really no in-universe explanation for that -- it's a bit of surreal TV editing. If you told me Eric Wareheim (who is a big Lynch fan) guest-edited that scene it wouldn't surprise me.

That's not to say I think the story itself is meant to take place in a TV show, or that the numbers on the sockets are even "really there" from an in-universe story perspective, but there are definitely different layers at play, and one of them is Lynch communicating directly with the viewer, outside of the main narrative.

Volte fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Oct 25, 2017

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Baloogan posted:

so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

Smiling is the shortest distance between two people. Live, Love, Laugh.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Baloogan posted:

so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

we live inside a dream

A True Jar Jar Fan
Nov 3, 2003

Primadonna

Twin Peaks: Donuts and Numerology

Hopkins FBI
Jan 4, 2015

MY SACRED POSTING VOW IS NOTHING, FOR WHILE I STAKED MY HONOR UPON MY COMMITMENT TO NEVER SUPPORT JOSEPH R. B. JUNIOR I HAVE SCANDALOUSLY ABANDONED MY PRINCIPLES

Baloogan posted:

so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

Don't talk about Judy.

Ingmar terdman
Jul 24, 2006

Baloogan posted:

so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

If you ever become one of the most highly regarded directors of your time but find it impossible to get funding for new movies mere years after your last successes, leverage the power of nostalgia to con a television network into giving you a barge filled with cash to shoot a revival season but lowkey make it a big-rear end movie that burns off every little stray idea and every universal truth regarding humanity that you've discovered over the past seventy years.

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Ingmar terdman posted:

If you ever become one of the most highly regarded directors of your time but find it impossible to get funding for new movies mere years after your last successes, leverage the power of nostalgia to con a television network into giving you a barge filled with cash to shoot a revival season but lowkey make it a big-rear end movie that burns off every little stray idea and every universal truth regarding humanity that you've discovered over the past seventy years.

Also, make Jim Belushi amazing somehow

Captain_Person
Apr 7, 2013

WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?

Baloogan posted:

so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

People are under a lot of stress Baloogan.

Lord Krangdar
Oct 24, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.

Baloogan posted:

so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

Don't live in the past or future, only the present.

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

Reign on me.

Baloogan posted:

so, what does twin peaks all mean, summed up?

Breadallelogram posted:

fix your hearts or die

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Twin Peaks is about how some insurance agents are actually decent people.

Cephas
May 11, 2009

Humanity's real enemy is me!
Hya hya foowah!

kaworu posted:

I really kinda think that Glass box is sort of the key to understanding Cooper's ghostlike reflection in episode 17. Like he's really been trapped there the whole time in some way, and we're watching the real Cooper looking through the projected images at us. *shrug*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXIyhDsS58I&t=40s

I was playing a Dragon Quest game on my 3DS, and I was moving my character around when I noticed my blank expression reflected in the screen, and I was like oh gently caress, we live inside a dream.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


Can someone please find me that picture of david lynch sitting in a lawn chair next to a donkey with a sign saying "laura dern" trying to get his favorite actress a job?

Lester Shy
May 1, 2002

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Krinkle posted:

Can someone please find me that picture of david lynch sitting in a lawn chair next to a donkey with a sign saying "laura dern" trying to get his favorite actress a job?
IIRC his goal was to get Dern nominated for an Oscar that year.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

art

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


I tried david lynch laura dern donkey, I tried david lynch laura dern mule. I wish google threw me a goddamn bone why can't the algorithms throw me a goddamn bone for once.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

EW just did a big article on the Blu-Ray:
http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/26/twin-peaks-blu-ray-dvd-details/

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

Raxivace posted:

Twin Peaks is about how some insurance agents are actually decent people.

It's about how some superficially sketchy casino operators really have hearts of gold

Annabel Pee
Dec 29, 2008

Aww, removing the Season 3 subtitle doesn't seem like a good sign.

Deus Ex Macklemore
Jul 2, 2004


Zelensky's Zealots
Really upset that one of the Blu Ray extras isn't "Annie's fine, thanks for asking. How are you?"

HerzogZwo
Nov 30, 2000
Sounds like some people got the book early and spoilers are leaking... Seems to answer a few of the open questions.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Flyinglemur posted:

Really upset that one of the Blu Ray extras isn't "Annie's fine, thanks for asking. How are you?"

In retrospect, is really amazing that Mike got some kind of closure and Annie didnt

HerzogZwo
Nov 30, 2000

Elias_Maluco posted:

In retrospect, is really amazing that Mike got some kind of closure and Annie didnt

The book supposedly gives Annie some closure. Wish they could have worked it into the show though.

Cromulent
Dec 22, 2002

People are under a lot of stress, Bradley.
I welcome all book spoilers ITT, since I won't be reading, and even if there is a S4 it likely won't have anything to do with the books.

Malcolm Excellent
May 20, 2007

Buglord

Cromulent posted:

I welcome all book spoilers ITT, since I won't be reading, and even if there is a S4 it likely won't have anything to do with the books.

Agree

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SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



I don’t consider those silly books canon unless Lynch himself says so.

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