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I wish we could get an overview of the current situation. I have trying to read up on it. Also, maybe a galaxy map in the first post would be handy. If I know it right for the sun system: - A big Terran invasion fleet is about to engage our new fleet and 4th fleet in the area of south of Ceres and west of Mars. We might be able to handle them. Maybe, maybe not. - An enormous Terran fleet of about 80% of the earth fleet is heading east of Mars, perhaps to Jupiter. We cannot take them on our own. Very dangerous. Maybe if we had our entire fleet in orbit of mars with its defensive system we could take them. - A IC fleet heading on an intercept with the enormous terran fleet heading west of Mars. On their own we could handle them. Question is, what are the status between IC and the Terrans? Are the Terrans wanting to take over IC or join with them? If the IC and Terrans join forces we are truly hosed. If they fight, yay! --- 1. Worst case scenario right now is that they join up, and all the enemy fleets are planning to take on Mars. If that is the case I see two options: A. Our newfleet and 4th tries to smash trough the terran force heading their way and speed towards earth while trying to establish coms with the rebels and the North American Union fleet left there that may not be friendly to the hardliners. We liberate Earth B. Or we return all forces to Mars and prepare for a last stand --- 2. If the IC and Terrans fight we can either A. Liberate earth B. Defend IC and thus take out a larger part of the Terran fleet. --- 3. There is also a slight possibility that all the fleets are concentrating on Ceres. A. We send in all fleets to defend Ceres. B. As in 1.A we smash trough and go liberate earth. C. Give up and let them have Ceres back. --- 4. Probably not but for the sake of completeness: the east fleets are heading towards Ranginui jump point A. Take earth while they are away --- As for the situation outside, we have a fleet of grabs coming from somewhere outside The Pit. A big fleet with an enormous mother ship is in the Pit. We have a ship in the pit. And we are kicking some Terrans of the planets in Ranginui. There where a big old ship in Entirgan that kicked crab butt. I suggest we keep kicking out the Terran of Ranginui now that we are doing it. We wait and see what the crabs are up to. but maybe we could possibly bait them to Nova Sol to distract the Terrans.
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Apr 8, 2018 13:08
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HiKaizer posted:You are all terrible at being optimistic. Terran subversives spotted 
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Can't believe Terran bots and trolls on Space Twitter swung Martian public opinion in favor of a scheme to rule all of humankind smdh.
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Apr 8, 2018 13:55
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The Terrans leaving Earth unguarded was a real dumb move, they're getting desperate for some reason. It's like pulling your goalie in hockey, except the likely outcome is your entire polity falls apart instead of the other team running up the score some more. So yeah, going for broke and threatening Earth might actually be our best shot, especially if the rebellions start to heat up now that there's no longer a deathfleet threatening to rain down death on anything they don't like.
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Apr 8, 2018 16:41
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Crazycryodude posted:The Terrans leaving Earth unguarded was a real dumb move, they're getting desperate for some reason. It's like pulling your goalie in hockey, except the likely outcome is your entire polity falls apart instead of the other team running up the score some more. So yeah, going for broke and threatening Earth might actually be our best shot, especially if the rebellions start to heat up now that there's no longer a deathfleet threatening to rain down death on anything they don't like. Or we threaten Earth, and they're nuts enough to threaten Mars, and MAD ensues.
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Apr 8, 2018 18:44
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We deal with the fleet heading for Ceres first, once that's done we can consider moving towards Earth, particularly if we haven't managed to contact the UT Civvie government yet, we can start heading that way to try and 'contact the legitimate government' or something. Don't start marching off again before we've finished the battle at hand. Likewise the Fartcrabs will wait for at least a day or so while we clear up this mess in Sol a bit.
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Apr 8, 2018 18:50
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Z the IVth posted:Or we threaten Earth, and they're nuts enough to threaten Mars, and MAD ensues. Threaten MAD with what, exactly? Their doomfleet heading in the wrong direction? Let them get out towards Jupiter some more and then make our move, because of how the planets are lined up we can make sure they never get into missile range of Mars.
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Apr 8, 2018 19:11
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Crazycryodude posted:Threaten MAD with what, exactly? Their doomfleet heading in the wrong direction? Let them get out towards Jupiter some more and then make our move, because of how the planets are lined up we can make sure they never get into missile range of Mars. They still have interplanetary nukes.
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Apr 8, 2018 19:21
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The Hardliners don't, if they're breaking orbit and taking off then they've got nothing stopping either Junior or Earth First from taking over the silos. Regardless of which of those two end up with the launch codes (or more likely, both end up with some), we all hate the Hardliners above all else so at least a temporary uneasy alliance to stop the doomfleet could probably be hammered out.
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Apr 8, 2018 19:23
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Crazycryodude posted:Threaten MAD with what, exactly? Their doomfleet heading in the wrong direction? Let them get out towards Jupiter some more and then make our move, because of how the planets are lined up we can make sure they never get into missile range of Mars. Welp, I have no idea about the relative positions of the fleets. If we can get our mainfleet to Earth while still being able to cover Mars then I'm all for your plan.
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Apr 8, 2018 19:27
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Do we know if the hardliners are not in control of parts of Earth at this point? It seems like a good thing to double-check before risking MAD, even if we might not have the time to 100% confirm it with the situation we're in.
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Yeah the Doomfleet is heading for Jupiter which is roughly Solar north-ish from Earth while Mars is more westerly. If we went right now they could juke us and get to Mars before we could, but if we let them keep steaming north for a couple days they should be too far to react. This is all super dependant on them continuing their current course and such, so I wouldn't make any hard plans, but just the general concept of going for Earth while they leave it unguarded is feasible if the right factors line up. E: Re: Hardliners being in control of Earth, the feeling I get from the fluff is that they really never had a major ground presence to begin with, all their power comes from the massive doomfleet they have control of plus some relatively small formations of Marines or whatever. The fact that the vast bulk of the doomfleet is leaving Earth implies, to me at least, that they're kinda giving up on the theater at least temporarily and letting Junior and Earth First fight it out. E2: Oh they did leave a BB squadron still in orbit of Earth, maybe they think that's enough to deter us/keep control of orbit from the two planetside factions while the rest of the doomfleet goes and does whatever? Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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Crazycryodude posted:The Hardliners don't, if they're breaking orbit and taking off then they've got nothing stopping either Junior or Earth First from taking over the silos. Regardless of which of those two end up with the launch codes (or more likely, both end up with some), we all hate the Hardliners above all else so at least a temporary uneasy alliance to stop the doomfleet could probably be hammered out. Earth's nukes are also scattered around various asteroids and space bases, they aren't exclusively on Earth. It'd be a mistake to act like the hardliners didn't have access to some of them. Lets not forget how much our last rosy prediction is still blowing the gently caress up in our face
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I have no idea what you're talking about everything is going perfectly fine the UT will come crumbling down aaaaaannnnyyyyyyyyy second now 
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I'm sure that the IC, whose face we caved in very recently, is chomping at the bit to fight the UT hardliners, and not to use this one chance to join forces and revenge themselves upon us to sieze our outer holdings while they're still at all relevant. I'd love an explanation aside from "senator warcrimes" why they'd provoke the UT doomfleet.
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Apr 8, 2018 22:15
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It is not as much they provoking the doomfleet as much as the doomfleet provoking them (or rather scaring them shitless). That being said I find it very likely that they are in fact joining up with UT
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We did see from the fluff that Earth has been steadily buying up a stake in IC too.
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Rawkking posted:We did see from the fluff that Earth has been steadily buying up a stake in IC too. There are many possibilities. the IC has the only insystem non-Martian source of Sorium too, remember.
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The last thing we heard about IC fleet movements.Saros posted:
That looks like they're allying with the hardliners to me because trying to attack the hardliner newfleet with so few and so old ships would be suicide.
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We don't know yet the status of the IC or the exact intention of the terran doomfleet. But I agree the most likely situation is that they are gathering to attack Mars. Tough, a point to make is that it may not be the hardliners that bought up the IC. Remember the rumors about financial missmanagement about Putina? It may be that she funneled some money into buying the IC. It may worthwhile to wait and see what happens when they meet. Even so, the most important agenda is how do we deal with that? One important consideration we should not overlook is the fact that the Lunar treaty binds everyone to defend each other in the event of hostile aliens. If we can hold out until news about the massive alien ship/fleet in the pit we might be able to call for a temporary truce. Of course, while it is a binding deal, they can just ignore it. But there is a chance. So, as far as I see it, we have to deal with the smaller terran fleet west of mars, near Ceres. After that, if we win, we either: Last stand We return to reinforce Mars to either hold out til news reaches of the alien armada or if the gods are with us rebel the combined Terran-IC doom fleet. All or nothing We head to earth to liberate it, hoping that it will draw away the doomfleet or that mars can hold on its own with what it have not until earth is secured. Now, we can all agree that leaving earth undefended was a mistake, but we have to think about this from the hardliners viewpoint; right now they got the strongest fleet in the solar system. But they do not have a base to resupply it from. They cannot afford to wait, their main supply source,earth, is in the hand of rebels or an unfriendly government. They must act now, and decisively as a protracted war will leave them a major disadvantage. Earth is very well defended, taking it by force would weaken them significantly while also destroying most of the supply capacity they desperately need and create further hostility in the population. So what do they do? Maybe they head to IC to use as a base of operation. Or maybe they head to conquer it. Or maybe they decide that the best option is a decisive victory over mars is the best option, to use as proganda and to use as a base of operation should they have to fight Putina or the rebels on earth. Point is, my thinking is that the longer we can stall them the better as the longer it takes, the weaker they get. Earth may be great target, but it may also be that they for the moment do not care that we take it, as they cannot use it as a base of operation anyway.
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LLSix posted:The last thing we heard about IC fleet movements. That's the terran's oldfleet, yea? Terran newfleet is moving to engage us at Ceres.
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Yes, even though most of the Terran Oldfleet is moving towards Jupiter, we can deal with that in a few hours once their Newfleet is taken care of, as far as I recall, the UT battlegroup still above Terra was noted as being entirely of ships from the North American Union, so it's possible that with the fighting taking place above Europe, the Americans decided to call it neutrals and just keep their toys to themselves.
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The best mapmakers on mars have been hard at work making this beautiful illustration of the current situation (to the best of my understanding).   Star points represent approximate size/threat level of the various fleets. Fortifications not included. Edit: Also, not to scale, Earth is more east of Mars, Jupiter farther back and Ceres more behind earth than to the side, its more to get a simple overlook of the tactical situation. Hostergaard fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Oh I forgot the fact that it's entirely North Americans still in orbit of Earth. Kinda weird, the UT usually likes to keep everything thoroughly mixed to prevent anyone from getting nationalist ideas. Maybe we can exploit that somehow? Convince the Americans and any other national groups that going it alone is better than trying to prop up the UT/Hardliners? Also, send that SB raid to Luna ASAP and steal those Collab drones
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How are our diplomatic channels at the moment? Aside from the annexation of rang this conflict is based on us standing up for Ceres. We talking with Putina to try and regain peace? Is the idea too beat the hardliner newfleet and attempt armistice?
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Not Alex posted:How are our diplomatic channels at the moment? Aside from the annexation of rang this conflict is based on us standing up for Ceres. We talking with Putina to try and regain peace? Is the idea too beat the hardliner newfleet and attempt armistice? As far as the Terrans are concerned, this conflict is based on us kicking off unrest in their territory to cripple them and steal their colonies (they ain't wrong). They aren't going to accept anything worse for them than status quo antebellum (including a Terran governor of Ceres) unless we push their poo poo in first. They aren't unified right now, sure, but Putina isn't likely to take much kinder to our shenanigans than the hardliners are.
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Not Alex posted:That's the terran's oldfleet, yea? Terran newfleet is moving to engage us at Ceres. yeah, you're right. I'd missed that they'd sent out yet another fleet.
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----TERRA---- Terra is a planet embroiled in chaos. In the days since the initial escalation of protests and stillborn uprising by Earth First in Brussels an uneasy stalemate has prevailed. The bulk of the old Terran fleet is gone from orbit. It remains in the firm hands of old regime hardliners while the newest and greatest ships race away to confront the Martians. Unable to land sufficient force to engage the Terran home defense army and seemingly unwilling to deploy nuclear weapons against the surface the space forces are paralyzed with seemingly no way out. Surrender remains unthinkable however so the hardliners scheme and plot with the greatly reduced but still dangerous remnants of the IC.  Intermittently there will be a vicious sub-nuclear missile exchange with the Terran surface defenses as the fleet identifies a possible location of the new government and hammers the site into rubble but for now the few ships remaining merely hang there, holding the high ground but unable to muster the support required to seize power. The civilian emergency government is in a poor state. Going to war with an enemy that intimately knows the locations of your redoubts and infrastructure is never easy but Yekaterina maintains an iron grip on the bureaucratic structures of United Terra's world government. In effective exile, flitting from place to place as the ships above hunt her she defiantly appears in recorded statements calling on Earth to hold fast against the traitorous fleet elements and the rising swell of the Earth First movement.  Earth First remains in control of its smouldering Brussels enclave. With loyalist forces surrounding it in a ring of steel it is contained but nobody seems to be prepared to be the ones to start a ground battle that would result in mass civilian casualties and Earth First is not allowing the civilians in its occupied zone leave. Arguably the world's largest scale hostage situation has dragged on for nearly a week and shows no signs of abating. In the wider world, despite the attempts to brand them as ‘terrorists’ and ‘traitors’ support for Earth First is continuing to rise as they begin to be seen as a viable alternative to the old, corrupt system or the empty promises of the reformers. The fate of the world hangs delicately in the balance until a fateful moment in the morning of 11 February 2054.  As part of the ongoing skirmishing the hardliner-controlled Terran fleet overhead strikes at a wet-navy ship of an Earthbound semi-autonomous regional government, which is acting as a command and control hub in San Francisco bay. The incredible power of Trans-Newtonian weapons means the flash of the strike blinds thousands unlucky enough to be looking the wrong way and at least four thousand more are burned to death or badly scalded by the superheated tsunami that sweeps the San Francisco waterfront. The North American Union (NAU) long the most fractious and militaristic major element of United Terra erupts into outrage. Just hours later the President of the NAU gives a fateful speech declaring their secession from United Terran and that they are taking back provision for their own defense. On newly NAU territory the military surface to space emplacements mostly declare their allegiance to the new Union without delay and Union troops storm the few United Terran defenses that resist. In space the NAU’s militaristic culture means that nearly a fifth of the United Terran fleet is crewed by crews primarily drawn from NAU territory. By a most interesting chance most of these ships are the few that remain over Terra and those ships pull apart from their former brethren to hastily form their own formations in geosynchronous orbit over the NAU.  On the ground, with speed and efficiency speaking to long held plans the NAU seizes control of the surface to space missile batteries within its new territory including nearly a third of United Terra's Planet based Interplanetary missile installations. Immediately rendering itself a participant in the interplanetary balance of Mutually Assured Destruction. Very suddenly, a new nation, stretching across the American continent from the equator to the frozen arctic is born and the Unity of Terra dissolves. The grand project of a United Earth, of humanity standing shoulder by shoulder as they reach for the stars is shattered, perhaps forever. --- Please note: This was supposed to be posted after the next combat update but I have had some unfortunate IRL issues and very little time so I thought it was better to get something out to keep the thread alive. Saros fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Apr 14, 2018 |
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Recognize the gently caress out of the NAU, they have
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Saros posted:I thought it was better to get something out to keep the thread alive. Oh, I think this'll manage nicely.
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Crazycryodude posted:Everything is perfectly fine, the whole rotten edifice of the UT political system will come crumbling down aaaaaaaaaaany second now 
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LostCosmonaut posted:Recognize the gently caress out of the NAU, they have Man, remember when the plan was to put all humanity under one (our) leadership?
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Veloxyll posted:Man, remember when the plan was to put all humanity under one (our) leadership?
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Aye, Earth shattering into a dozen feuding national blocs that are no more individually powerful than like the IC or whatever is winning, because we're the one superpower left. Why bother to actually invade, that's so messy. Just dominate them economically, strategically, and culturally to the point that we can make sure they don't undermine humanity's fight against the Krabs and we get the same result a lot cheaper.
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Dominion of Sol lookin' good.
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pthighs posted:Dominion of Sol lookin' good.
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CoffeeQaddaffi posted:SURRENDER TO THE NAU Surrender to the Trump Empire? Never. I bet that ship the hardliners blew up had the last copy of the piss-tape aboard.
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