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Pander posted:The main character's entire unit went down, he was barely past teenage years, and he had some form of ptsd. He just wanted to live, didn't care about winning the war or good order and discipline and stiff upper lip and all that poo poo. His friend is a French man of uncertain background. The only verified lovely deserters are the guys in the boat, and who knows their story. I've never been in war so I don't know jack, but I've read a pretty decent amount on WW2. Shell shocked/PTSD soldiers don't actively conspire and avoid the chain of command. Our main characters, rather than try to find a commanding officer and be told where to report to, took the initiative and attempted to fraudulently self-evacuate by impersonating stretcher bearers, and then dunking themselves in the water to make like they were survivors from the sunken hospital ship. PTSD/shell shocked guys would have just gone catatonic and sat down on the beach. These guys actively conspired and willfully avoided the chain of command, thus the only real indication of their humanity we have to go on is that they are selfish scoundrels. I'm saying the true story of Dunkirk must have been the incredible general adhesion to discipline. 300,000 people don't get off a beach in nine days without a pretty good level of discipline and organization. But with Nolan's portrayal you might come away with thinking it was a kill-or-be-killed madhouse.
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Class Warcraft posted:Except the big climax where all the timelines meet is the bombing of the minesweeper which: But seeing the events through the different character's eyes gave a different perspective or new information, which was the entire point.
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Aug 6, 2017 16:51
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The camera focused on two deserters, but you see endless lines of soldiers showing discipline and order all around them.
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Aug 6, 2017 16:57
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Maybe it was to show a different perspective. We've all seen war movies where discipline is tight and everyone's fighting for God or country. Could also be a contrast to the captain of the Moonstone, who was probably a veteran and seemed dedicated to honor and order. But then again he ignored an order by not waiting for the navy to board his boat. So perhaps it's a war movie where everyone acts in their own interests for good or bad.
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Aug 6, 2017 17:04
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Also Nolan just tends to like to focus on, to varying degrees, the more rear end in a top hat'ish inclined charters. The Prestige, Memento, Batman, Inception, Insomnia. Can't remember interstellar that well, but I'm sure at least a few of the main cast were assholes in that. It may mis represent history a bit, but it does make for a bit more of an interesting film.
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Aug 6, 2017 17:06
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The film goes out of its way to say that the only heroes are the people who put aside their own chances of survival for the sake of others, be they pilots, fishermen, or the Commanders of the evacuation. Everyone else is simply existing, and trying to survive in a literal hell. Was what some of them were doing lovely? Yes. Were they lovely for doing it? The film is saying that you have no right to judge. Just as it doesn't ask you to judge the far, far greater number of men it shows acting with discipline and 'courage'. It goes to great lengths not to cast anyone as a villain. That's why there are no Germans, just a reference to "The Enemy," the villain of the film is the situation. Everyone else is just a victim reacting in entirely human ways.
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Aug 6, 2017 17:15
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Krispy Kareem posted:Could also be a contrast to the captain of the Moonstone, who was probably a veteran and seemed dedicated to honor and order. But then again he ignored an order by not waiting for the navy to board his boat. The guy the Moonstone captain was based on was indeed a vet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lightoller
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Aug 6, 2017 17:18
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Are Messerschmitts larger than Spitfires? The way Nolan filmed them (especially the POV shots where Hardy is shooting at them) make them seem like massive, slow, hulking bombers. The plane that was strafing everyone at the end was a Messerchmitt, right? Were any other German planes featured?
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Aug 7, 2017 01:13
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Jewmanji posted:Are Messerschmitts larger than Spitfires? The way Nolan filmed them (especially the POV shots where Hardy is shooting at them) make them seem like massive, slow, hulking bombers. The plane that was strafing everyone at the end was a Messerchmitt, right? Were any other German planes featured? There were actually three kinds of German planes in this movie - Messerschmitt 109s (single engine fighters with yellow noses), Stukas (which were the single engine dive bombers with the pants-making GBS threads siren screaming as they came in on the beach, Tom Hardy took one out while he was gliding), and a Heinkel 111 (this is the twin-engined plane that was bombing the ship at the climax).
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Aug 7, 2017 01:33
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Arcsquad12 posted:Hardy's amazing gliding kill and victory jaunt along the beach is about the most fantastical thing in the film. Yeah I would love to know if any WW2 pilot had a deadstick kill.
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Aug 7, 2017 04:10
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monster on a stick posted:The guy the Moonstone captain was based on was indeed a vet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lightoller I just discovered that the actual boat that guy used is still around. I wonder if it has a cameo in the film.
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Aug 7, 2017 05:24
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Jewmanji posted:Are Messerschmitts larger than Spitfires? The way Nolan filmed them (especially the POV shots where Hardy is shooting at them) make them seem like massive, slow, hulking bombers. The plane that was strafing everyone at the end was a Messerchmitt, right? Were any other German planes featured? I think they filmed all the planes at fairly low speeds and sped everything up in post, so that probably accounts for some of the oddness. I do remember thinking that the He-111 appeared menacingly slow as it crawled through the sky towards the ship. Almost insolent in a way - didn't that ship try getting an AA gun on target?
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Aug 7, 2017 05:45
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Saw this movie at the imax (?) screen at the chinese theatre in LA and the soundtrack was freaking awesome as hell and the bass owned big time
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Aug 7, 2017 07:06
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Jewmanji posted:Are Messerschmitts larger than Spitfires? The way Nolan filmed them (especially the POV shots where Hardy is shooting at them) make them seem like massive, slow, hulking bombers. The plane that was strafing everyone at the end was a Messerchmitt, right? Were any other German planes featured? BF-109s are actually pretty small planes. The mockup used in this film is a spanish built HA-1112, which is the basic airframe of a BF-109 except it has a Rolls-Royce Merlin engine in the front, which makes the nose a fair bit bulkier than a standard 109. In the film the HA-1112 is representing an E-series 109, which was more blunt nosed than later variants. The dogfights in the film took place at extremely low altitudes, which makes any plane seem slow and ponderous due to wind resistance. Generally dogfights between fighters and bombers take place well above 4 kilometers where the air is thinner and planes get much more maneuverable.
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Aug 9, 2017 03:52
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PostNouveau posted:Yeah I would love to know if any WW2 pilot had a deadstick kill. Yeah, I was wondering about that too, or indeed any pilot at all. A Spitfire, like pretty much any dedicated fighter, could completely dunk on a Stuka without breaking a sweat, but doing it without an engine is pretty incredible.
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Aug 14, 2017 00:25
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Erich Hartmann maybe.
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Trans Ferdinand posted:Made me cry twice though. Good use of Nimrod. Same. They slowed it down and made it really kick you in the chest when it swelled with the imagery.
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dr_rat posted:Can't remember interstellar that well, but I'm sure at least a few of the main cast were assholes in that. Oh, it had the biggest rear end in a top hat of all the assholes he's written. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSW47_Qm7YY
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Sep 8, 2017 07:18
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BarronsArtGallery posted:Oh, it had the biggest rear end in a top hat of all the assholes he's written. That scene was goddamned amazing in IMAX.
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Sep 9, 2017 03:05
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tetrapyloctomy posted:That scene was goddamned amazing in IMAX. I really wish I'd been able to see Gravity and Interstellar in IMAX.
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Sep 9, 2017 15:28
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McSpanky posted:I really wish I'd been able to see Gravity and Interstellar in IMAX. I was thinking about seeing Gravity in IMAX and my wife nixed it. I'm actually a bit glad -- it would have been a bit overwhelming to spend an entire ninety minutes unable to escape vertigo without closing your eyes. A regular screen gave enough of a visual ground to prevent the movie from basically being an hour-and-a-half panic attack.
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Sep 9, 2017 19:08
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I only saw Gravity in 3D, not imax, and it was far and away the best movie I've ever seen in 3D. It used it flawlessly and it really added to the experience. Imax would have been a trip. It's not at all the same movie at home on a TV.
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Sep 9, 2017 20:30
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Lol when I saw Gravity in IMAX, at the beginning before the shuttle comes across the screen, you hear their radio transmissions first. I remember thinking some jackass behind me was on his phone.
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Sep 9, 2017 21:21
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Just saw this, late as hell yeah but here's my impression: Best Sound Mixing and Editing Best Cinematography Best Director Best Picture? (not likely but it gets a nod) If Dunkirk does not win the top 3 I'd be shocked. I'm a big fan of movies like Saving Private Ryan and Hacksaw Ridge for not pulling punches with how brutal war can be. Dunkirk is better than both of them, this movie is very innovative and bold. It shows you can portray the stress and horror of war without so much as a single pool of blood or excessive use of shaky cam. Besides,this movie avoided Corny war movie clichés like the plague and I love it, no campfire home nostalgia exposition dumps. Who needs dialogue when you have stuka divebombers and people drowning? I will never forgive myself for not watching this in 70mm when I had the chance. Goddamnit.
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Sep 16, 2017 20:33
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If Hans Zimmer doesn't win for best score I'm going to break poo poo
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david_a posted:"Massive, slow, and hulking" isn't a half-bad description of a Stuka. They're noticeably larger than a Spitfire, notoriously slow, and look like flying tanks because they have a fair bit of armor and they need to be really strong to survive pulling up after dive bombing. Spinky fighters like the Spitfire/Bf-109 might lose their tail if you tried the same maneuver. The He-111 was a scale model, as were all the Stuka shots. There was a lot of Spitfire and 109 models as well but most of the stuff from them was legit full size, either slowed down so the helicopter could be involved or at a reasonable safe speed for performing un-rehearsed maneuvers.      
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Good poo poo. I'm excited to see the BTS footage on the Blu-ray
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