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1gnoirents posted:yeah this is definitely what ... we need... to be focusing on... actual problems affecting all 9.3 people in the entire US military ... or you know... anything else... dot dot dot ive heard of the three fifths rule but this is ridiculous!!!!
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:Being trans isn't a medical issue and doesn't impede a person's ability to serve in the military in any way, just like being Chinese, a woman, or having blonde hair has no bearing on aptitude. If you're receiving hormone therapy you can't serve in the military because you can't serve in the military if you're undergoing any kind of ongoing medical treatment. I assume that this is the underlying issue that is being distorted by our massively retarded president and his appointees.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:Being trans isn't a medical issue and doesn't impede a person's ability to serve in the military in any way, just like being Chinese, a woman, or having blonde hair has no bearing on aptitude. How is being trans not a medical issue? Doesn't it require regular injections and in some cases surgery?
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:Being trans isn't a medical issue and doesn't impede a person's ability to serve in the military in any way, just like being Chinese, a woman, or having blonde hair has no bearing on aptitude. neither does having diabetes except for the fact that you need medicine daily which is a disqualifying condition in military aptitude but of course this is an issue of trans bigotry and not strict requirements that preclude tons of regular people for things that aren't debilitating or life altering
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Jul 26, 2017 17:21
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nigga crab pollock posted:as for the military the military was never going to let trans people into the military anyways. like not only would most trans people probably not want to go into the military but their medical standards likely would exclude anyone having to go through hormone therapy, aka literally every trans person. but of course it is an issue of bigotry, not just organizational goals that don't align with a minority population's lifestyle requirements there are currently serving trans people. Trump is reversing the stance on trans soldiers. There are already trans people in the military
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Jul 26, 2017 17:21
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Guy Goodbody posted:there are currently serving trans people. Trump is reversing the stance on trans soldiers. There are already trans people in the military so do you have the salon.com article about why you need to be upset about this or something because the details aren't adding up pal
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If you need to know why transgender people need to be banned from the Armed Forces, you need only watch this documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPrswLN0Mnc&t=263s (alright it's about homosexuals but the point remains)
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myDad posted:The Democrats were already split with Sanders & Clinton, Trump is playing 4D chess by driving more wedges into the DNC
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nigga crab pollock posted:so do you have the salon.com article about why you need to be upset about this or something because the details aren't adding up pal It's pretty stupid to have a blanket ban that includes people who otherwise wouldn't be disqualified.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:24
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nigga crab pollock posted:the democrats have been playing The White Man's Burden card on trans activism but the problem with that is that most people don't give a poo poo. its something the democrats are absolutely going to waste their time and political capital on fighting and like 9 out of 10 people truly and honestly do not give a single gently caress. please do not take this post as an attempt to say that most people hate trans people, but people do not care about them enough to be willing to go to bat politically for it and it is not an issue that will push people to go out and vote over it. it and all other identity politics is an auxillary time waster the democrats used to avoid talking about real issues
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Jul 26, 2017 17:24
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the gbs hates women meme. user is probated for 15 thousand days.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:26
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you can be trans without going through hormone therapy. if hormone therapy is the disqualifying factor there then well what do you know that changes the framing of this issue significantly and explains why there are some active serving trans people there are a lot of details here that are lacking that would really clear things up and it should be making your skeptic alarm bells go off here but hey what do i know im not wearing a safety pin nor have i changed my facebook profile to an equals sign im basically a bigot
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nigga crab pollock posted:so do you have the salon.com article about why you need to be upset about this or something because the details aren't adding up pal Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
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nigga crab pollock posted:you can be trans without going through hormone therapy. if hormone therapy is the disqualifying factor there then well what do you know that changes the framing of this issue significantly and explains why there are some active serving trans people The military is the largest single employer of transgender Americans.
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Bholder posted:Do you have any idea what you are talking about? hes still mad about and knows what the safety pin and equals sign memes are. youre not dealing with the top brass of this discussion
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nigga crab pollock posted:the democrats have been playing The White Man's Burden card on trans activism but the problem with that is that most people don't give a poo poo. its something the democrats are absolutely going to waste their time and political capital on fighting and like 9 out of 10 people truly and honestly do not give a single gently caress. please do not take this post as an attempt to say that most people hate trans people, but people do not care about them enough to be willing to go to bat politically for it and it is not an issue that will push people to go out and vote over it. it and all other identity politics is an auxillary time waster the democrats used to avoid talking about real issues Don't have the opinions the media tells you to have, instead have the opinions I tell you to have.
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Well I can say that the military's ETS readiness program has improved considerably since I was in. All the former TG service members will have full access to the VA and should have no problem getting a good paying job. Even though it was a failed program by a horrible president I hope they can go on with dignity in their lives.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:30
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IPCRESS posted:RAND places it at 4k total - 2.5k active, 1.5k reserve. A pundid on CNN sainf the number of transgender individuals serving in the military is between 11,000 and 15,000. So it will impact a lot of people. I was surprised that some many trans Americans want to serve
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this stinks of media circus even though i dont know jack poo poo about trans people and despite my mountainous ignorance on the topic i am still looking on in disbelief at everyone taking all of this at face value
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Jul 26, 2017 17:32
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nigga crab pollock posted:i dont know jack poo poo about trans people this is obvious
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nigga crab pollock posted:this stinks of media circus even though i dont know jack poo poo about trans people and despite my mountainous ignorance on the topic i am still standing firm that its manufactured hysteria to try and make people mad and you accuse other people of forming opinions with insufficient knowledge.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:33
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Someone from Goons in Platoons might be able to give us a better explanation
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Jul 26, 2017 17:34
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TRANS people are a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in T and spiro, and the losses in surgery.
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Decebal posted:Someone from Goons in Platoons might be able to give us a better explanation Not anymore, they were all just collectively kicked out of the military.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:35
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i can't wait for the history books to document how this chapter in trans rights was announced via a loving tweet.
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Decebal posted:A pundid on CNN sainf the number of transgender individuals serving in the military is between 11,000 and 15,000. So it will impact a lot of people. I was surprised that some many trans Americans want to serve That's 1% of all military personnel. That seems disproportionally high for a group that's maybe 0.3% of the total population.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:38
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Stexils posted:and you accuse other people of forming opinions with insufficient knowledge. no i accuse people of forming opinions based on what other people tell them are Correct but implying that i made that assertion betrays the fact that you are more interested in using semantics to try and shut me up than actually having a discussion on the topic though
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The_Franz posted:That's 1% of all military personnel. That seems disproportionally high for a group that's maybe 0.3% of the total population. people who are as a group frequently poor, homeless, or otherwise ostracized tend to turn to the military and its promise of a stable job/food/housing more frequently, news at 11 nigga crab pollock posted:this stinks of media circus even though i dont know jack poo poo about trans people and despite my mountainous ignorance on the topic i am still looking on in disbelief at everyone taking all of this at face value i can't stop loving laughing
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OWLS! posted:Not anymore, they were all just collectively kicked out of the military. This is some good business.
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Stexils posted:i can't wait for the history books to document how this chapter in trans rights was announced via a loving tweet. does something the president says have binding authority like doesnt he have to tell the sec of def to kick them all out all official like and someone has to write it down on the paper with the letterhead like if the president tweeted 'all my generals are fired' that isnt what fires the generals right double line break double line break
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ArgumentatumE.C.T. posted:does something the president says have binding authority everything the president tweets has executive authority. its like rule of law, but in 140 characters or less
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nigga crab pollock posted:no i accuse people of forming opinions based on what other people tell them are Correct but implying that i made that assertion betrays the fact that you are more interested in using semantics to try and shut me up than actually having a discussion on the topic though yeah i don't generally have "discussions" with people who don't know what they're talking about, which you've made extremely explicitly clear you don't, especially when they try to talk from a position of authority like you do.
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I think we should let anyone fight even if we need to cut their dick off or inject them with hormones. What matters is loving your country.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:45
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why does anyone care what orange man tweets at this point as far as the issue at hand i honestly don't care, thanks and god bless
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World War Mammories posted:people who are as a group frequently poor, homeless, or otherwise ostracized tend to turn to the military and its promise of a stable job/food/housing more frequently, news at 11 The last I checked, the military isn't a homeless shelter nor a halfway house
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Stexils posted:yeah i don't generally have "discussions" with people who don't know what they're talking about, which you've made extremely explicitly clear you don't, especially when they try to talk from a position of authority like you do. lol
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Jul 26, 2017 17:46
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nigga crab pollock posted:no i accuse people of forming opinions based on what other people tell them are Correct but implying that i made that assertion betrays the fact that you are more interested in using semantics to try and shut me up than actually having a discussion on the topic though so is literally seeing the tweet enough or is there something we shouldn't know i mean, i think we're here discussing the tweet from donald trump where he says he doesn't want transgendered people in the military in any role
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nigga crab pollock posted:no i accuse people of forming opinions based on what other people tell them are Correct but implying that i made that assertion betrays the fact that you are more interested in using semantics to try and shut me up than actually having a discussion on the topic though So what kinds of sources should we use to form opinions? Or should we just try to reason everything out from first principles?
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you don't know what your talking about so im not going to waste any more of my time bothering to explain what you should know blahblahblah repeat a thousand times close thread
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