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Most stories have some sort of limit on the amount of stuff that can be carried. The ones that don't generally have the protagonist take everything, Carl and Lindon are both examples of this. In general, I think it's hard to keep it up throughout a story. At the start it makes sense when you have little or no money and are weak, but at a certain point you're picking up garbage that has no value to you or you continually run across high value items which isn't that believable.
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TUTBAD 111: Mizuki: god I'm so useless here Also Mizuki: creates rod of instant death
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I think greed is an underused motivator in much of Western crappy rpg lit. Like, you got the Chinese protagonists stealing everything that isn't nailed down up to and including floor/roof tiles (shame about all the bestiality rape jokes in A Will Eternal because otherwise I could actually ever recommend it), that should be a lot more common in a D&D-inspired genre, right? Metaworld Chronicles Exists and certainly covers "Greed" and "D&D inspired isekai/litrpg".
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Jun 17, 2022 01:30
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That story sucks but it is amusing how ridiculous of an alternate earth it is. Like, the CPC still exists, still controls China, but the actual ideology of communism doesn't appear to have ever existed outside of this one place, and they only pay it lip service anyway, it's basically just a military junta with Chinese characteristics. Not to mention all the luxury brands that are around despite having 1% of the market they would in real life. From each according to his abilities, except for the normies, they're still basically slaves and don't matter and are useless but still part of these societies for reasons.
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Jun 17, 2022 01:34
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asur posted:Most stories have some sort of limit on the amount of stuff that can be carried. The ones that don't generally have the protagonist take everything, Carl and Lindon are both examples of this. In general, I think it's hard to keep it up throughout a story. At the start it makes sense when you have little or no money and are weak, but at a certain point you're picking up garbage that has no value to you or you continually run across high value items which isn't that believable. yeah i think the big difference here is that some chinese stories are, at their core, almost completely about the protagonist stealing everything that isn't nailed to the ground and then using it to win a goku battle; few if any western stories go as far as I Shall Seal The Heavens and its imitators in this regard for example. lindon being a bit of a packrat is definitely an homage to this trope but he's a good kid unlike meng hao
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Jun 17, 2022 01:53
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The protagonist from defiance of the fall regularly steals everything that’s not nailed down and it’s amazing. He recently spent about 3 paragraphs trying (and failing) to steal an altar. He steals shelving off the walls and fertiliser from fields and all the while the people around him are like “is this guy for real?”. It’s one of the rare power fantasies where the author doesn’t take the protagonist seriously, and I enjoy it much more than eg LoRG or primal hunter because of it
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asur posted:Most stories have some sort of limit on the amount of stuff that can be carried. The ones that don't generally have the protagonist take everything, Carl and Lindon are both examples of this. In general, I think it's hard to keep it up throughout a story. At the start it makes sense when you have little or no money and are weak, but at a certain point you're picking up garbage that has no value to you or you continually run across high value items which isn't that believable. I started off documenting everything my characters found but eased it back to mostly just highlights and slipped in the idea that the main characters have chaff they are finding when they go into a dungeon. I feel like it gives the reader an idea of a range of what you can find in chests and looting the environment but I don't keep track of much besides what gear they actually use on a frequent basis as I write lit-rpg light because I want to tell a gamey story not a story about a game. Carrying and weight: I had a long stretch where the characters had to play inventory tetris then just gave the MC a magic ring with a pull delay so there's a little bit of picking which weapons he might need and put on his person but less time worrying about a character who's clearly cheating with their packing methods (the guy who takes a grill into the dungeon)
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quote:There was even a miniature plush shark sitting on the edge by the laptop, facing the screen as if reading along. Tenny’s favourite. We’d tried to purchase one of the larger plush sharks for her, but everywhere that stocked them had them on back order. Raine had suggested we go on an actual trip to the nearest Ikea, but that would mean a whole day out to Manchester. Tenny's really growing up!
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Jun 18, 2022 15:50
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RBA-Wintrow posted:I'm surprised I haven't found any D&D inspired stories. Plenty "magic middle ages europe" and "levelling system". But not really direct D&D/Pathfinder ripoffs. Does it not lend itself to such stories due to class restrictions or Vancian Casting? Or are Wizards of the Coast and Paizo just super litigious, making it impossible to get a Kindle Unlimited offer and the such? RE: TUTBAD, I also stopped reading after the ex's story got wrapped up. Just wasn't enjoying it. Bhodi fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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Jun 18, 2022 17:11
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90s Cringe Rock posted:They're good sharks Heather. It was only a matter of time before I had to include The Trans Icon Plush Shark. Tenny really deserves a full-sized one though.
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Hungry posted:It was only a matter of time before I had to include The Trans Icon Plush Shark. Tenny really deserves a full-sized one though. I appreciate the amount of fanservice you put in.
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Jun 18, 2022 18:34
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90s Cringe Rock posted:I appreciate the amount of fanservice you put in. Same.
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Jun 18, 2022 18:58
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I finished Worm and I'm actually pretty satisfied with it for most of the run. Mentally exhausted mind, but satisfied. Trying to decide if I read Ward or not.
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Jun 21, 2022 21:13
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Galick posted:I finished Worm and I'm actually pretty satisfied with it for most of the run. Mentally exhausted mind, but satisfied. Trying to decide if I read Ward or not. As someone who also liked Worm, I wouldn't bother, Ward is worse in basically every way
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Jun 21, 2022 21:51
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Piell posted:As someone who also liked Worm, I wouldn't bother, Ward is worse in basically every way That's very unfair. Ward has more words.
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Rob Filter posted:That's very unfair. Ward has more words. And you'd argue that isn't worse?
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Piell posted:And you'd argue that isn't worse? Translated from maths to english: ward is greater than worm. That's not even my personal opinion; that's proven mathmatical fact. e: I'm been very silly to poke fun at ward's word count, please don't feel obligated to respond to this argument as if it was serious unless it amuses you to do so. Rob Filter fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jun 22, 2022 |
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Jun 22, 2022 01:53
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Galick posted:I finished Worm and I'm actually pretty satisfied with it for most of the run. Mentally exhausted mind, but satisfied. Trying to decide if I read Ward or not. Worm kept me interested mostly due to its world-building and the continuous mental trainwreck that was its main character so given that the sequel contains neither that world nor that main character I struggle to work up any motivation to read it.
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Ward sort of does contain that world to an inexplicable degree. One of the things that makes it weird is how much it's really trying to be set in the same settings as Worm despite how Worm ended.
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I like how even though most of the weirdly organized white nationalists died or dispersed in Worm they're back and once again have their own weird parallel society even though they could have gone literally anywhere. It's like they're not really white nationalists, it's just that Wildbow doesn't know that white people are in street gangs too, so they have to be white nationalists because the only gang with white people he's heard of is the Aryan brotherhood. But it wouldn't make sense for them to be a prison gang so it has to be... Whatever they are in worm/ward. That's my theory anyway.
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maybe its different in Canada but around here, the skinheads are largely completely unorganized and when around each other for more than 5 minutes outside of a state prison quickly fall to infighting. because they're usually tweakers with brain damage and not actually white nationalists in the dictionary definition.
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Larry Parrish posted:I like how even though most of the weirdly organized white nationalists died or dispersed in Worm they're back and once again have their own weird parallel society even though they could have gone literally anywhere. It's like they're not really white nationalists, it's just that Wildbow doesn't know that white people are in street gangs too, so they have to be white nationalists because the only gang with white people he's heard of is the Aryan brotherhood. But it wouldn't make sense for them to be a prison gang so it has to be... Whatever they are in worm/ward. That's my theory anyway. Wildbow is stupid.
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azn bad boys
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love when i finish reading a chapter and surprise, there's a bonus extra chapter! “Alright,” said Mizuki one morning, once everyone had gotten most of the way through a breakfast of eggy toast and roasted tomatoes. “I know this caused a bit of a stir last time, but it’s time for us to do another ad read.”
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DACK FAYDEN posted:azn bad boys i have to admit the idea that a counterstrike clan took over half of brockton bay is funny
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90s Cringe Rock posted:“Alright,” said Mizuki one morning, once everyone had gotten most of the way through a breakfast of eggy toast and roasted tomatoes. “I know this caused a bit of a stir last time, but it’s time for us to do another ad read.” she really wants you to know how useful this nordic VPN is for filtering ambient mana
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90s Cringe Rock posted:love when i finish reading a chapter and surprise, there's a bonus extra chapter!
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Cicero posted:I'm sure some people will roll their eyes, but I think this was cute. Would be funny to see more authors do this. It was great how the rest of them are actually taking it seriously and reacting appropriately.
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TUTBAD 113: Jesus, just gently caress already. Also, I can't tell if this quote:“She’s going to have a difficult time tomorrow if she’s hung over,” said Alfric. “Tell her to drink some water.”
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cock hero flux posted:Worm kept me interested mostly due to its world-building and the continuous mental trainwreck that was its main character so given that the sequel contains neither that world nor that main character I struggle to work up any motivation to read it. IMO Ward is actually fine on an arc-to-arc basis, but its overaching plot meanders a lot and it lacks the whole "uncovering the mystery to the setting" elements from Worm. Like if you asked me to recount the big plot beats of Ward, I would struggle to do so. I remember many individual events and plot/character arcs, but I couldn't tell you the order they occur in or how most of them tie into the final events of the story. Plorkyeran posted:Ward sort of does contain that world to an inexplicable degree. One of the things that makes it weird is how much it's really trying to be set in the same settings as Worm despite how Worm ended. Its setting is very confusing. I could never form a coherent mental image of it. My best idea is that there's this giant city surrounded by a bunch of relatively lawless settlements. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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Ytlaya posted:IMO Ward is actually fine on an arc-to-arc basis, but its overaching plot meanders a lot and it lacks the whole "uncovering the mystery to the setting" elements from Worm. Yeah, the part of Ward I read would benefit a lot from being split into several different stories. The Fallen arc could have been a standalone story with only minor changes, and structuring it like that would possibly have solved the problem where Ward felt aimless.
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All of Wildbow's stories suffer from his having a very poor grasp on story structure and basic narrative principles, and Ward got hit by that really hard. There are characters like the white supremacist guy, whose subplot got what felt like hundreds of thousands of words devoted to it before dropping the character almost entirely and leaving him as furniture in the background of other scenes, people like the stalker girl who got enormous amounts of focus throughout the story only for it to go nowhere, and profoundly odd stuff like the twins who wildbow was seemingly never able to think up a story for, so they just bounced around the frame while other things happened. Serials are never going to have the same sort of tight structure and pacing as novels, but it's still possible to tell a fun story. With Ward it feels like you could've removed every single major character and barely impacted anything. To be fair, I don't think there's any direct sequel to Worm that would've satisfied a majority of the fans. I always thought the only winning move would've been to tell a story in the past or the far future. The instant he set the story directly after the apocalypse in a city that was functionally identical to Brockton Bay, I think he was locked into a bad time.
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not that Wildbow could have written it but something like a slice of life about pathfinders exploring alternate worlds for the refugees to settle would have been cool.
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Omi no Kami posted:All of Wildbow's stories suffer from his having a very poor grasp on story structure and basic narrative principles, and Ward got hit by that really hard. There are characters like the white supremacist guy, whose subplot got what felt like hundreds of thousands of words devoted to it before dropping the character almost entirely and leaving him as furniture in the background of other scenes,
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he really loves to write about white nationalists without understanding anything about the topic, or frankly even the Hollywood version
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I love katalepsis so much So much
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Are yall talking about a different story because Ward doesn't really have any Nazis in it besides a couple of ex-Empire capes who get like two lines of screen time
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They're talking about the endbringer cultists. I'd say that a better analogue would be Christian fundamentalists but then we'd just be quibling over which fascist group they most resemble.
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Ah okay, that makes slightly more sense. Rain is a cult escapee and a good chunk of the early part of the story is about him, and it fairly accurately depicts what that poo poo's like. I get wildbow has permanently broken several of your brains but the story has plenty of stuff that's actually wrong with it, no need to invent things to get mad about.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:I love katalepsis so much Thank you! I am very curious what exactly prompted this. Something in the latest chapter?
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