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Your Gay Uncle posted:In the second episode when all the prostitutes were getting put into the paddy wagon, what was going on? They could only be arrested once every 30 days or something? I was about to ask this same question.
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Oct 5, 2017 14:39
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Shooting Blanks posted:I was about to ask this same question. As someone else noted, from the police's end they are probably just concerned with getting their arrest stats (a running theme in David Simon shows). So they routinely pull in a certain amount of street walkers, so they can say they are doing something about it. From the pimps and prostitutes side of things, it seems like they have an agreement with the cops (either explicit or unspoken): you go quietly when we come to bring you in, and you get a free pass for 48 hours afterwards. That's why if they show a recent receipt from lock-up they get to walk away, and when the cops show up they line up passively (rather than trying to run, or deny being prostitutes). It's a win-win! Unless you are actually trying to do something effective about street prostitution...
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Oct 5, 2017 15:10
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DariusLikewise posted:What does everyone think the mob is offering Vincent? Either a porn studio or a casino/brothel? Either would push the story into a more high-stakes game I would think. sbaldrick posted:They are offering him a rub and tug parlour which if records are right the mob opened with Lindsay ok to get hookers off the street to show he was cleaning up the city. This was my guess - some sort of an introduction to the business of sex. He's already proven he can work with diverse clientele, he's comfortable selling sex (to an extent, so far), and has been reliable WRT money.
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Oct 5, 2017 15:48
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DentArthurDent posted:From the pimps and prostitutes side of things, it seems like they have an agreement with the cops (either explicit or unspoken): you go quietly when we come to bring you in, and you get a free pass for 48 hours afterwards. That's why if they show a recent receipt from lock-up they get to walk away, and when the cops show up they line up passively (rather than trying to run, or deny being prostitutes). It seemed more like the police wanted to meet their arrest quotas, but they did't want to do extra work, so they limit the numbers with the 48-hour pass. Also they had no problem bringing everyone in at once to make a point.
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Oct 5, 2017 16:53
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The Stats is something only David Simon seems to include in his cop shows, which is why they're the best The Wire's simplification of the job to a white board list with two different colors is depressingly awesome
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Oct 7, 2017 11:48
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It's not just in police though. He shows it just as effectively in the school system in season 4 of The Wire.
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Oct 7, 2017 15:21
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Man, Rodney is such a gently caress. I feel like this episode will probably be the one they submit for Gyllenhaal's Emmy. Asbury fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Oct 9, 2017 04:57
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I need for the sicilians to kill method man before this is over, that scene was insanely hosed up
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Oct 9, 2017 05:50
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I like how the "good" pimp who won't put an underage girl on the street himself is still perfectly willing to sell her to another pimp for 2,5k. Also goddamn that line about how daddies, husbands and pimps are all the same was loving brutal.
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Oct 9, 2017 19:44
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drat that Candy/Rodney scene, poo poo. gently caress
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Oct 9, 2017 20:11
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Good episode. The rape/robbery scene was hard to watch.
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Oct 9, 2017 20:38
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Orange Devil posted:I like how the "good" pimp who won't put an underage girl on the street himself is still perfectly willing to sell her to another pimp for 2,5k. He's not refusing to pimp her because of his moral standards. He doesn't want her because he thinks she's underage and doesn't want any more trouble from the cops.
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Oct 10, 2017 00:54
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Do the women get any money from prostitution? They give it all to the pimp but I assume he just takes a large percentage. $300 dollars a night is some serious money in the 70s.
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Oct 10, 2017 01:15
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Dmitri-9 posted:Do the women get any money from prostitution? They give it all to the pimp but I assume he just takes a large percentage. $300 dollars a night is some serious money in the 70s. A prostitute with a pimp isn't making money for herself, she's making it for her pimp and then he pays her a small cut, most of the time. It's basically a micro version of the labor-executive relationship.
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empty baggie posted:He's not refusing to pimp her because of his moral standards. He doesn't want her because he thinks she's underage and doesn't want any more trouble from the cops. Oh I'm aware, I was responding to the thread earlier speculating that he'd end up being the most sympathetic pimp. Dmitri-9 posted:Do the women get any money from prostitution? They give it all to the pimp but I assume he just takes a large percentage. $300 dollars a night is some serious money in the 70s. "If you don't give me 100% of the money, I won't give you 100% of my protection" The compensation of prostitutes with a pimp tends to be things like food, shelter (such as it is) and "gifts" like clothes or jewelry or whatever. Keeps them completely dependent plus feeds into the hosed up relationship where they are led to see the pimp as their benefactor. It's a comprehensively exploitative relationship. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Oct 10, 2017 08:59
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The Rodney/Candy scene was incredible - the way he was just hammering her relentlessly to try and break her was so hosed up, made even worse by how deeply it was effecting her after all these episodes of seeing how resolute she can be. I really like Vincent's character but so far I'm really not seeing the point of Frankie beyond pulling Vincent into the mob's orbit in the first place... and I guess as a complicated delivery mechanism for the,"Who the gently caress is that?" "That's Black Frankie!" exchange.
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Oct 10, 2017 11:50
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Orange Devil posted:Oh I'm aware, I was responding to the thread earlier speculating that he'd end up being the most sympathetic pimp. Like all David Simon pieces, the antagonist is always capitalism!
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Oct 10, 2017 12:33
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It will be a really interesting and probably extremely tragic journey watching Frank Sobotka trying to run a brothel like a Union construction site.
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Oct 10, 2017 20:10
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A bunch of construction workers turn up dead in a shipping crate.
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Oct 10, 2017 20:37
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:It will be a really interesting and probably extremely tragic journey watching Frank Sobotka trying to run a brothel like a Union construction site. "What they need is a union." -Beadie Russell on hookers in the Wire season 2.
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Oct 10, 2017 20:58
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Shima Honnou posted:A prostitute with a pimp isn't making money for herself, she's making it for her pimp and then he pays her a small cut, most of the time. It's basically a micro version of the labor-executive relationship. Obviously that one communist pimp redistributes the wealth back to proletariat.... right?
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Oct 10, 2017 21:04
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Dmitri-9 posted:Do the women get any money from prostitution? They give it all to the pimp but I assume he just takes a large percentage. $300 dollars a night is some serious money in the 70s. There was a scene this week where Ashley handed CC her take and he handed her back a couple of bills after counting it.
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Oct 10, 2017 21:08
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nooneofconsequence posted:There was a scene this week where Ashley handed CC her take and he handed her back a couple of bills after counting it. One of which was literally a $1 bill. I didn't make out the other(s).
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Oct 10, 2017 21:12
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I want to see some non-action movie, cold, calculated violence from Black Freddy. That guy oozes capability.
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Oct 10, 2017 21:18
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Oh, that scene at the dinner with Alston and Sandra... She asks about the police corruption being investigated by the Knapp Commission. That's the commission that heard the testimony from Frank Serpico.
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Oct 10, 2017 22:44
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nooneofconsequence posted:There was a scene this week where Ashley handed CC her take and he handed her back a couple of bills after counting it. That was for a drink like he was letting her have it as a reward. What I wanted to know is if they get any of their own discretionary money.
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Oct 10, 2017 23:53
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That wouldn't be a good idea, since they could build up that money and buy a bus ticket somewhere else if things weren't going well, like the two lovers appear to be doing. I listened/read (I forget) to a thing on a woman who was trafficked and was worked as a prostitute. She said that the business was run by a family and that the police and street vendors were in on it. If they saw a known prostitute even just a block or two from where they were supposed to be that her pimp would be there within a few minutes in case she got it in her head to run. She said it was a very paranoid existence and she felt completely powerless. I wonder if Ruby or any of CC's girls would be able to leave if they wanted to 
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Oct 11, 2017 00:10
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Oct 11, 2017 00:15
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I've heard in other contexts that assigning people new names is used to dehumanize them and make them more complacent, I wonder if that's what the pimps are doing here.
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Oct 11, 2017 01:14
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Method Man and Maggie killing it this episode. I know the show still hasn't really gone anywhere after 5 episodes but I could watch David Simon write people talking about literally anything and be enthralled so I don't mind at all.
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Oct 11, 2017 03:11
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:Obviously that one communist pimp redistributes the wealth back to proletariat.... right? Until proven otherwise, Richie is running a collectivist whore ring
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Oct 11, 2017 03:59
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I think 50% of what I like about this show is the wigs (Method Man's in particular is magnificent), 25% is the use of If There's a Hell Below, 15% is my attraction to Abby/Margarita Levieva, and 10% is the actual show. I like it but it's very slow and I have trouble giving it my full attention. I also felt this way the first time I watched The Wire S1, for what it's worth, and that's one of my top 3-5 shows ever.
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:It will be a really interesting and probably extremely tragic journey watching Frank Sobotka trying to run a brothel like a Union construction site. poo poo i just now realised why that guy was familiar 
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Professor Shark posted:That wouldn't be a good idea, since they could build up that money and buy a bus ticket somewhere else if things weren't going well, like the two lovers appear to be doing. I read a similar article about this and it is in Mexico City. It is like how you say it, it's not just the pimps, but a whole enterprise of people (police, street vendors, and teen/child lookouts) on the take to make sure the prostitute is in her corner and stays in her corner. I doubt it is that sophisticated in the US, but wouldn't be surprised other parts of the world follow this similar way of operation.
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Oct 13, 2017 22:25
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Sir Potato posted:Method Man and Maggie killing it this episode. This is my feeling. I like that Simon goes into such detail building the world his characters live in and then we just watch them live in it. It's a very different style of storytelling and when he's trying to tell a piece about a time and place, like with this, Generation Kill, and Treme; I really dig it. I think The Wire was easier for people to digest because of the story cops/drug dealers task force, it felt like there was going to be a definite conclusion which when it sort of mutated by the end of the first season it had hooked people enough to accept that the story was about a cycle which wasn't going to be broken. With this I see it as much more of an evolution of the location in this period. Is the 'central' plot of straight man, James Franco, try to move up in the world enough to keep people hooked? I guess it's not as enthralling as misfit police task force vs. charismatic project drug dealers, but I'm still very much into it. Maggie G. doing some great acting, but she usually turns out a good performance. I almost think it would be a shame if she won since she has her tits out in practically every other scene. Not that her nudity detracts from her performance I just wouldn't want it to get muddled with it and make people think that's why she won. I like James Franco's dual roles as well. I went in expecting to hate it, having just come off seeing Ewan McGregor do it in Fargo but I gotta say Franco pulls it off in a way that doesn't detract from the show. I feel like Franco isn't a great actor but having each of his roles be fairly one dimensional works because 'decent everyman' and 'smug douchebag' are the roles I've always felt he does best. I always got to give Simon credit for writing side characters that I don't mind taking an episode to dive into some scenes about their life. In this case Paul's side stories were good and I like they're building him up more. Either way it looks like the brothel is going to be the more unifying thread that ties all the stories together a bit tighter but I'm really liking the bar room scenes; they remind me a lot of the Mardi Gras episode every year in Treme when you'd see all the characters bisect and the world feels like it collapses into this very tiny space. Here the bar is this crossroads where all these characters are running into each other and it's cool to see how they interact beyond their regular stories. Abby's interactions with Darlene are so interesting because she has this moral righteousness about wanting to see Darlene emancipate herself from her pimp and pursue an education and yet she herself has just spiraled out of university with her own feelings of ennui. Very interesting dynamic and the relative acceptance of Darlene returning to her state of being pimped further irritates Abby; really nicely done but again it's a pretty Simon thing to do of having the more intelligent and aware a character is the less they are happy with the state of the world and their place in it.
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Oct 14, 2017 00:14
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Surprised it didn’t get mentioned but one of the writers said on The Watch that the next season is gonna jump to end of the 70s or beginning of the 80s.
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Oct 14, 2017 01:42
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when does this poo poo air EST?
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Oct 16, 2017 02:45
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Henchman of Santa posted:Surprised it didn’t get mentioned but one of the writers said on The Watch that the next season is gonna jump to end of the 70s or beginning of the 80s. What I read was that there is a 3 season plan: S1 is the rise of sleaze in NYC, S2 will take place in the late 70's when Times Square was it its peak of corruption, and S3 will jump to the mid-late 80's, when tourism and gentrification began the cleanse that the Giuliani administration finished. Tonight's ep was the best thus far. Everything firing on all cylinders, no sour notes or weird digressions (re: Very little Abby bringing Sociology 101 to the table and then being shocked at the lack of easy answers to difficult issues.)
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David Simon dusting off his old Hamsterdam scripts.
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